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Galal Dax
Omber Company
Knights of the Rising Phoenix
Posted - 2009.12.27 18:49:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today.

Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever.

Good luck Eve Online; its been a fun ride (parts of it), and I'll miss some of you.


On a sidenote, I've been giving refunds to pretty much anyone who asked for them - Spectre Wraith just scammed me out of 6 billion ISK. *laughing* He said that he was going to die and couldn't afford GTCs without that 5 billion ISK, and his corp blah blah blah...so I gave him 6 billion ISK so he'd have a billion in profit too, and it turns out that he only invested a billion ISK with me.

Well played. :)



Good - clap clap now leave

Why don't you return what you stole to EVERYONE before leaving - you have no need of it - and are so far superior to all that are here, as you demonstrate
yourself in your every post.

Bret Caliaro
Harassment Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.27 20:12:00 - [362]
 

Originally by: RAW23


Sorry. I didn't realise that having a life involved taking pleasure from other people's suffering. Will try harder, I promise. BTW - I hear you can find videos of kittens being tortured on the net. Should I start with these or work my way up to them? Also, how long do I need to spend writing something to qualify for a life? Please tell me as I really, really want one.

And yes, I do have a rod up my arse on issues like this. I find the idea that human interactions don't really count if the medium of communication is pixel-based to be both deplorable and based on a complete failure of the intellect. I guess we shouldn't take phone calls seriously either because, you know, its just molecular vibrations you're hearing. Its not like its an actual person you're interacting with.


tbh I agree with raw here it's kind of sad, but there are two kinds of people here, people who think most should act the way they should (which I would prefer) and people who know most wont because anonymity means you don't have to and just accept it. (Which I know all too well)

I re-learned recently not to have a serious dicussion on the internet, you wont get one.
Had a discussion with a corp mate recently about knife crime which a RL friend of mine has experienced, and he just joked and generally ****ed me off, in the end i was annoyed at myself for even bringing it up in EVE I should've known it would turn into what it did.

On this topic, I've only been scammed once by a RL friend who said to me when I saw him "It's only a game." and I agree with him but didn't mean I thought he was any less of a ****. He was that kind of guy who would borrow a tenner then try and get out of it. (luckily it wasn't my tenner i learned not to give him ****.)


Kranwe Sentai
Gallente
Blackwater USA Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.27 20:42:00 - [363]
 

I've been wondering some time now how someone would recover from this, if:

- they sold their t2 bpo's far cheaper than usual to raise the amount needed to invest
- they converted most of what they had into ISK
- foolishly invested
- realise one morning that they were scammed
- thinking this is just a game but realising the amount of time and effort it has taken over the years to aquire a nice balance and assets all to be wiped out

How do you all do it? I suppose some of those scammed simply didn't lose that much - but what about those few like me, who were novices and newcomers to the EVE markets - who lost everything and now started from scratch - how do they cope? Do some of them just quit playing? Find a new path in Eve?

I'd just like to hear anyone elses thoughts, to help me feel better about the new year. And I don't mean I want to hear sad things, only positive things. If anyone else is in a rutt like me, lets get togther ingame and try to get back into the market race :-)

Kranwe

gallchecker
Posted - 2009.12.27 20:47:00 - [364]
 

Here is the thing.

Investing in anything that doesnt give you 100% collateral Minimum is the same as betting on a horse race.

Sooner you realise that reputations are completely worthless in online games the better.

Kranwe Sentai
Gallente
Blackwater USA Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.27 20:54:00 - [365]
 

Thanks, I kind of figured that out the hard way.

I've been looking for a new investment oppertunity which I could really really trust and put my last millions into it - and expect to get it back. But now I feel tremors whenever I think about taking any risks.

I wish EVE had a reputation meter in-game.
On another note - I do feel better finally talking about it, instead of keeping all the agony and anger inside. It's not like I am going to ragequit due to my own stupidity.

I admire a lot of you folks here - and trust quite a few too. I just feel like I got in over my head - be it due to greed or just feeling lucky - and now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer.

I still remember the months ice mining for my first small investment :-)

Thanks for your comments, gallchecker :)

Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
Posted - 2009.12.27 21:56:00 - [366]
 

Originally by: Kranwe Sentai
now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer.

Don't give up - if you want ultimate security for your next investment, buy into Tornsoul's new 3 % offering, or something that is fully collateralised.

JOSAL EXAN
Posted - 2009.12.27 22:19:00 - [367]
 

Kranwe, this is the first time i hear a lady say, "i don't have the balls...". Well of course you don't. You're a woman.
Laughing

Umbra Tenebrae
Posted - 2009.12.27 22:31:00 - [368]
 

I don't understand why some of the people are calling him Robin Hood of eve in c&p. Robin Hood stole from bad people and gave the money to those, who suffered from them. Was these investors really just a rich and greedy *******s, that earned their isk on other people suffering? I think, that giving a stolen isk to noobs doesn't qualify someone as a good person, you can aswell give away someone's hard earned isk to a total jerk or next scammer.

Kranwe Sentai
Gallente
Blackwater USA Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.27 23:19:00 - [369]
 

Thanks Cista2, JOSAL EXAN and Umbra Tenebrae for your comments. Nice family here.

I managed to sell three 60D GTC's yesterday for 1.5b and paid back two loans with interest. Now all I have to do is grind away for a couple months and I can buy back my Hulk BPO (which is being held as collateral until I pay off my final loan). Ironic, since without it, it makes it harder to pay back my loan and they are using it to produce Hulk bpc's as "interest". Well, all is fair, I knew this when I invested.

But bottom line is, feeling better each day. It's not like it's the end of the world :-) I will probably build up from Hek then TMP and finally Jita.

Kranwe Sentai
Gallente
Blackwater USA Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.28 00:00:00 - [370]
 

OMG I just had to post this (you know the feeling you get from the first kiss or winning the lottery or something)!!

Some very kind person gave me 50 million ISK for a new start. My stocmach got butterfly's in it when I saw that. So a huge thank you to Lucius Lure for your generous help.

As I stated to him in the mail I replied to, that "it's only a loan and I am going to pay him back" - so I made a new Note with I.O.U :)

And, there's more! I'm saving up for the Obelisk and will start doing small collateral (eventually the big collateral again) courrier runs for trusted serious marketeers around Jita/Tash :) (I calculated ice mining is around half as profitable as 2 years ago)

Better than just sitting around feeling sorry for myself :)

MD is like therapy to me now - and it's working - inspiring :)

MD kicks GD's behind :D (peoplewise)

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.28 00:30:00 - [371]
 

Kranwe, why are you posting here about a sob story about an investment? You weren't one of my investors.

RAW23
Posted - 2009.12.28 00:38:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Kranwe, why are you posting here about a sob story about an investment? You weren't one of my investors.


LOL - Whilst I'm not sure I'd take Curzon's word anymore, something about "poor little noobie me" didn't quite chime with "I have a Hulk BPO".

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2009.12.28 00:40:00 - [373]
 

A hulk BPO is around 100B ISK.


Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
Posted - 2009.12.28 00:50:00 - [374]
 


374M with the old Romeo "I'm quitting eve, send me ISK and I'll send double your ISK back" scam on a grand scale. A fantastic job of separating the foolish from their not-so-hard earned ISK.

Er, that is, I meant to say: I invested all I had. You mean person you. Without those ISKies I can't gank miners. Plx send me either wads of cash or lots of megathrons, kthxbye.

Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Celtic industries
Posted - 2009.12.28 01:05:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: Kranwe Sentai
Thanks, I kind of figured that out the hard way.

I've been looking for a new investment oppertunity which I could really really trust and put my last millions into it - and expect to get it back. But now I feel tremors whenever I think about taking any risks.

I wish EVE had a reputation meter in-game.
On another note - I do feel better finally talking about it, instead of keeping all the agony and anger inside. It's not like I am going to ragequit due to my own stupidity.

I admire a lot of you folks here - and trust quite a few too. I just feel like I got in over my head - be it due to greed or just feeling lucky - and now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer.

I still remember the months ice mining for my first small investment :-)

Thanks for your comments, gallchecker :)



Don't let yourself beleive that not having much ISK is a barrier to enjoyment in eve... hell, early on when you dont' have much isk - maybe just a few million from running a couple of hours of missions - is the time when you can make the best returns on trading, it's when your ISk multiplies fastest and you'll be back on your feet in no time.

Heck, it's good to get had for a small amount early on, much better than to not have the experience and go through it with a lot more isk (9.5b for me nowLaughing) when you start investing more serious amounts!

Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.12.28 01:14:00 - [376]
 

Not that it was hard but I did see it coming and convinced a friend to pull his ISK out asap.......I think he did manage to get a refund in time, if not I told him so Laughing

Darwin's Market
Posted - 2009.12.28 01:18:00 - [377]
 

I am really not surprised because Curzon always seemed like a prick from his pvp postings.

Kranwe Sentai
Gallente
Blackwater USA Inc.
Posted - 2009.12.28 01:24:00 - [378]
 

Actully my trade alt was affected by your scam.
Also I don't want to spam MD with a new thread about my story. I wanted to share in an existing thread.

The bright side is that due to some kind folks here I was able to rebuild very quickly and am returning their kind "investments" tomorrow, leaving me enough to not have to start from scratch, no thanks to you.

What happened to never returning?

Opfinder
Posted - 2009.12.28 02:10:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today.

Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever.


Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax

Estella Vance
Posted - 2009.12.28 04:44:00 - [380]
 

Originally by: Opfinder
Originally by: Curzon Dax
And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today.

Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever.


Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax

No isk back from Curzon and no begging from me. I would appreciate refund, but I won't drop on floor and cry for that.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.12.28 06:50:00 - [381]
 

Originally by: Estella Vance
Originally by: Opfinder
Originally by: Curzon Dax
And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today.

Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever.


Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax

No isk back from Curzon and no begging from me. I would appreciate refund, but I won't drop on floor and cry for that.



''That's the mentality i like ... just say **** you curzon for being a little **** and this just proved your pvp stories probably where as fake as this **** you pulled here.Keep the isk you **** you'll need it to buy new friends just as with your money give away crap in dodixie.''





Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.12.28 09:57:00 - [382]
 

Quote:

What do you mean, rep is bad? Rep is still a good indicator of the risk of scam/default



Rep is bad because it can be built and engineered.
You mention General Newbold and this shows you don't see the real issue.
It's not with the "5B scam, if IQ > 20 = scam detected" but those who have a smidge of brain can gather tens of billions and then scam. Those are the danger.

A guy with 5B can act and boast like he had 50. He can have a shiny web site, an old character. He can have a collection of T2 BPOs or a State Raven.
This will make gullible investors fall like fleas onto his trap, "BECAUSE OF REP".

So - since there's an unofficial "scam them more" race going there - one day we'll read about "hey guys I managed to scam you 1 trillion, aren't I l33t for this?" (assuming EBANK is not that one already).

And the guy WILL have this sublime well built up rep and the bunch of morons will smell the rep and fall for it.

It's really true. Those unable to learn from their mistakes are doomed repeating them.

MD is the testament to the truest of a darwinian humanity: trolls, flamers, scammers, thieves live all here and feed of dumb fat wallets whose brain is well inferior to their cash.


Quote:

Will try harder, I promise. BTW - I hear you can find videos of kittens being tortured on the net. Should I start with these or work my way up to them?



My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion.
I and my family took 3 years to cure her and even yesterday, she could not open her ruined eye because of the cold.

Maybe once a person lives the consequences of what others did for sport, he can learn the value of respect. Maybe.


Quote:

now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't give up - if you want ultimate security for your next investment, buy into Tornsoul's new 3 % offering, or something that is fully collateralised.



Notice on the missions forum, when you tell them they earn so much with so little risk, they bring exactly marketing as "gives much more money per hour with no risk" :D


Quote:

'That's the mentality i like ... just say **** you curzon for being a little **** and this just proved your pvp stories probably where as fake as this **** you pulled here.Keep the isk you **** you'll need it to buy new friends just as with your money give away crap in dodixie.''



This is the sad part about those leaving like Curzon Dax: they will be forgotten and considered sh!t. Nice departures.

I found out that quitting with friends helps a lot more. In EVERY game I played including EvE, I got approached and helped because I was known off some other game before: "you are *that* Sahrokh feral druid in WoW? Still have your MSN" "You were Vaerah in Naga Corps in WH?"

And I got *helped* and *befriended* and invited because of the past, in fact I find it a good sign when someone calls in "references" off old games instead of hiding in suspicious anonimity.

gallchecker
Posted - 2009.12.28 13:42:00 - [383]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:

What do you mean, rep is bad? Rep is still a good indicator of the risk of scam/default



Rep is bad because it can be built and engineered.
You mention General Newbold and this shows you don't see the real issue.
It's not with the "5B scam, if IQ > 20 = scam detected" but those who have a smidge of brain can gather tens of billions and then scam. Those are the danger.

A guy with 5B can act and boast like he had 50. He can have a shiny web site, an old character. He can have a collection of T2 BPOs or a State Raven.
This will make gullible investors fall like fleas onto his trap, "BECAUSE OF REP".

So - since there's an unofficial "scam them more" race going there - one day we'll read about "hey guys I managed to scam you 1 trillion, aren't I l33t for this?" (assuming EBANK is not that one already).

And the guy WILL have this sublime well built up rep and the bunch of morons will smell the rep and fall for it.




Well said.

I already suspect 2 of the biggest names here are doing exactly this. Setting up the con so that when they leave their OUT of game game sales of accounts will probably net them thousands.

So what if their 'rep' here is ruined? Who gives a crap if cash is your aim?

Numerous of you are already setup for a fall imo.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2009.12.28 14:04:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: gallchecker
I already suspect 2 of the biggest names here are doing exactly this. Setting up the con so that when they leave their OUT of game game sales of accounts will probably net them thousands.

Yes, a few possible scams do indeed come to mind - but I don't think their primary motivation would be RL cash...

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Play the game for a few years, and then the only fun left to be have is making a bit of drama...
this.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.12.28 14:08:00 - [385]
 

Come on peole say names .. just stating 2 persons who possibly will scam is not enough to say told you so and you know it Rolling Eyes



Tiberizzle
Posted - 2009.12.28 15:13:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion.


confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2009.12.28 15:35:00 - [387]
 

Originally by: Tiberizzle
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion.


confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster


Reread her post, you nard. She's not the one that did that to the kitten.

Tiberizzle
Posted - 2009.12.28 15:43:00 - [388]
 

Originally by: Dretzle Omega
Originally by: Tiberizzle
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion.


confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster


She's the one that did that to the kitten.


I just can't see what would motivate her to do such horrible things to a helpless animal

Vaerah Varokha - the new Jeffrey Dahmer? It's more likely than you think.

ginlaan
Posted - 2009.12.28 15:52:00 - [389]
 

Edited by: ginlaan on 28/12/2009 15:52:46
Originally by: Opfinder
Originally by: Curzon Dax
And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today.

Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever.


Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax


Its funny how no one confirms that, isn't it? Giving anything back did not happen more then likely and its just more lies to try and save what ever face is left.

I had a token amount invested and did in fact ask in evemail and on this baord and got nothing back. No one else i contacted in game involved in the investment got there isk either. Some claimed they asked as well but i cant confirm that

Scott Ryder
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.12.28 16:42:00 - [390]
 

I think it was worth it..

374 billion isk to never see Curzon Daxes face again is a small price to pay...


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