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Sealclubber Jones
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.09.07 18:19:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Korizan
Exploit no.
This is more akin to a missing game mechanic.

ie. - you except a contract to deliver from Point A to Point B.
As long as you are carrying the contracted item you should be able to dock @ both locations regardless of station settings.

Sadly it will never happen.



Let's say I had a bunch of stuff trapped in a conquerable station. I contract myself 1 piece of trit to be delivered to that station. Under your rules I'd be able to dock, and then haul out whatever I could. Rinse and repeat, and there would be no repercussions for losing your space.


Santiago Fahahrri
Gallente
Galactic Geographic
Posted - 2009.09.07 18:35:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Sealclubber Jones
Originally by: Korizan
Exploit no.
This is more akin to a missing game mechanic.

ie. - you except a contract to deliver from Point A to Point B.
As long as you are carrying the contracted item you should be able to dock @ both locations regardless of station settings.

Sadly it will never happen.



Let's say I had a bunch of stuff trapped in a conquerable station. I contract myself 1 piece of trit to be delivered to that station. Under your rules I'd be able to dock, and then haul out whatever I could. Rinse and repeat, and there would be no repercussions for losing your space.




More than that, it would be possible to buy something off the market, courier contract it to yourself, and give yourself docking rights in a hostile station. Very exploitable.


Black Leather
Posted - 2009.09.07 19:57:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Akita T
JUST CHECK if you have docking rights.




If you do when you accept the contract, I can assure you that you won't by the time you get there.

Just don't accept anything in or through 0.0 and everything is golden.

BL

Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.09.07 20:20:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Black Leather
Originally by: Akita T
JUST CHECK if you have docking rights.




If you do when you accept the contract, I can assure you that you won't by the time you get there.

Just don't accept anything in or through 0.0 and everything is golden.

BL


Good point.

Unfortunately the courier contract screen doesn't have a security-level filter to screen out all the scams.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.09.07 20:39:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Black Leather
Originally by: Akita T
JUST CHECK if you have docking rights.

If you do when you accept the contract, I can assure you that you won't by the time you get there.

Right, because the owner of the station must be in on it, on those "10 mil ISK collateral" contracts, right ? He MUST regularly put up the rights to dock, and sit and watch as contracts are taken, and cancel those rights just after they are all taken ? REALLY ?

It's pretty freaking simple : NPC-sov 0.0 -> take ; player-sov 0.0 ? then check alliance ; if same alliance -> MAYBE TAKE, if not -> DON'T TAKE.

Seriously, you make it sound like a giant conspiracy when it's actually something much simpler : morons take contracts without checking.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.09.07 20:43:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Black Leather
Originally by: Akita T
JUST CHECK if you have docking rights.




If you do when you accept the contract, I can assure you that you won't by the time you get there.

Just don't accept anything in or through 0.0 and everything is golden.

BL
That seems like taking paranoia to a whole new level. Laughing

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.07 20:54:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Black Leather
Originally by: Akita T
JUST CHECK if you have docking rights.




If you do when you accept the contract, I can assure you that you won't by the time you get there.

Just don't accept anything in or through 0.0 and everything is golden.

BL
That seems like taking paranoia to a whole new level. Laughing
Paranoia is your only defence in eve.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.09.07 21:03:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Black Leather
Originally by: Akita T
JUST CHECK if you have docking rights.




If you do when you accept the contract, I can assure you that you won't by the time you get there.

Just don't accept anything in or through 0.0 and everything is golden.

BL
That seems like taking paranoia to a whole new level. Laughing
Paranoia is your only defence in eve.
And how do I know that this is true and not some plot on your part to trick me so that Bigfoot and Elvis can take over the universe, while covering up their part in the JFK assassination, which was an attempt to hide their use of secret alien technology?

Iria Ahrens
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.09.07 21:04:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 07/09/2009 21:10:12
Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 07/09/2009 21:08:27
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Rotnac
Eh, I've set up couriers to alliance-held stations. I assume that either a blue takes it or a non-blue does and is forced to fail it. And 0.0 -> high-sec ones are usually used by evacing alliances, and are set so the current owners can get stuff out. In either case, its assumed that blues take the contract, or the person is stupid.

So, long story short, don't be stupid.


Well, since you feel that you own the EVE universe, I added this suggestion:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1174526

I stand by my original comment...if a courier contract is public, then it's open to EVERYONE. Of course you lose nothing by it failing....in fact you gain by keeping the collateral.

Now, if you were fined because the pilot that accepted it couldn't dock at your station then you would be singing a different tune right? But since the present setup plays to your advantage, you have the luxury of calling everyone else stupid.

I know you'll have trouble with this concept, but there is more to EVE than Goonswarm and being blue.Rolling Eyes


Look. A courier Job is no different than a normal job open to the public. Wanted IT professional to set up a server farm.

Anyone can apply to that job. Ergo, it's open to the public, but you shouldn't apply for the job if you don't have the ability to handle the job. Don't call the employer a dumbass when it's the idiot applicant misrepresented himself. An employer shouldn't be fined for every idiot applicant that can't read the job description.

Most of these whiners crying scam are really just a bunch of idiots that accepted a contract without researching first. There is a big red letters "this contract is based in a player owned station" so the contract maker doesn't even need to write a message that the access is restricted. It is already there in BOLD RED.

Stop blaming the people making the contracts and put the blame where it belongs. Inexperience, or just plain stupidity.

Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
Posted - 2009.09.07 21:17:00 - [70]
 

OK, I'm convinced. There doesn't need to be a way in-game to tell whether I have docking rights, because I can just convo the diplo of the alliance or maybe corp that owns it. OK, here's a delivery to Delve. Goonswarm, no problem, heard of 'em. Contact 10 separate goons, and they each give me a different name for the diplo. Continue until three of them give me the same name. Convo the diplo, who says "No problem! Come on down." After the attempted delivery, contact the diplo again, who sends a terse "U mad?"

I think I've got it.

Atticus Fynch
Posted - 2009.09.07 21:17:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Iria Ahrens
Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 07/09/2009 21:08:27
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Rotnac
Eh, I've set up couriers to alliance-held stations. I assume that either a blue takes it or a non-blue does and is forced to fail it. And 0.0 -> high-sec ones are usually used by evacing alliances, and are set so the current owners can get stuff out. In either case, its assumed that blues take the contract, or the person is stupid.

So, long story short, don't be stupid.


Well, since you feel that you own the EVE universe, I added this suggestion:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1174526

I stand by my original comment...if a courier contract is public, then it's open to EVERYONE. Of course you lose nothing by it failing....in fact you gain by keeping the collateral.

Now, if you were fined because the pilot that accepted it couldn't dock at your station then you would be singing a different tune right? But since the present setup plays to your advantage, you have the luxury of calling everyone else stupid.

I know you'll have trouble with this concept, but there is more to EVE than Goonswarm and being blue.Rolling Eyes


Look. A courier Job is no different than a normal job open to the public. Wanted IT professional to set up a server farm.

Anyone can apply to that job. Ergo, it's open to the public, but you shouldn't apply for the job if you don't have the ability to handle the job. Don't call the employer a dumbass when it's the idiot applicant misrepresented himself. An employer shouldn't be fined for every idiot applicant that can't read the job description.

Most of these whiners crying scam are really just a bunch of idiots that accepted a contract without researching first. There is a big red letters "this contract is based in a player owned station" so the contract maker doesn't even need to write a message that the access is restricted. It is already there in BOLD RED.



I remember the 9,999,999 scams that spammed the contracts screen. The only ones defending it (by calling the ones that unwittingly accepted them 'idiots') were the ones profiting from it.

Well, it's the same thing here. Those defending the current system are the ones making isk by exploiting it.

NO WHERE does it say that the destination point is restricted. And yes, this does hinder and "legitimate" 0.0 courier deals.

By posting a courier contract publicly, you are offering it to EVERYONE. You can not assume that only your friends will respond to it. So naturally you will get the general public interested in it.

But like I said, this is a money maker by preying on player's ignorance.


Korizan
Hysterically Unforgiving
Posted - 2009.09.07 21:30:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri
Originally by: Sealclubber Jones
Originally by: Korizan
Exploit no.
This is more akin to a missing game mechanic.

ie. - you except a contract to deliver from Point A to Point B.
As long as you are carrying the contracted item you should be able to dock @ both locations regardless of station settings.

Sadly it will never happen.



Let's say I had a bunch of stuff trapped in a conquerable station. I contract myself 1 piece of trit to be delivered to that station. Under your rules I'd be able to dock, and then haul out whatever I could. Rinse and repeat, and there would be no repercussions for losing your space.




More than that, it would be possible to buy something off the market, courier contract it to yourself, and give yourself docking rights in a hostile station. Very exploitable.




And this why it won't happen unless they tie Access into the markets and or contracts which would make sense.
No Access no Market and no contracts to and from that station.

But as I said it would take to much to change now so it won't happen.


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.09.07 21:51:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 07/09/2009 21:52:44
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
1. NO WHERE does it say that the destination point is restricted. And yes, this does hinder and "legitimate" 0.0 courier deals.

2. By posting a courier contract publicly, you are offering it to EVERYONE. You can not assume that only your friends will respond to it. So naturally you will get the general public interested in it.

1. Yes it does, but indirectly. You have to know that docking at privately-owned stations is the station's choice. Because they do warn you it's a player-owned station.

2. There's no way to set a contract "to all people that have docking rights in station X". You can set the contract to corp-members only, but then you would limit the amount of people that CAN move the package to a much smaller number (your corp) than those that COULD move the package (your alliance, friendly alliances and friendly corps with docking right, or just about anybody with docking rights).

So again...
...it is the contract-taker's responsability TO CHECK HE HAS DOCKING RIGHTS.
And I don't mean it in a "oh, right now, I can dock, but no idea about 2 hours later"... but in a "my whole freaking alliance has docking rights there, and has had for a good while".

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.09.07 21:52:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
I remember the 9,999,999 scams that spammed the contracts screen. The only ones defending it (by calling the ones that unwittingly accepted them 'idiots') were the ones profiting from it.

Well, it's the same thing here. Those defending the current system are the ones making isk by exploiting it.
Ah yes, the old "everyone who disagrees with me is part of the evil conspiracy" arguement. It's a nice tool for an arguement because it basically screams "I don't care what anyone says, I've got my opinion and no amount of facts or logic will change it!". Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
By posting a courier contract publicly, you are offering it to EVERYONE. You can not assume that only your friends will respond to it. So naturally you will get the general public interested in it.
By posting a courier contract publicly, one is assuming that the person taking it will be able to deliver it. Otherwise why would the idiot accept it? No one is forcing them. No one is tricking them. You can check the destination before taking it. When checking the destination you will find the name of the station/outpost and owner of the station/outpost. You should be able to find out where you can dock pretty easily. If you don't know or can't dock there, don't take it. It is so simple, even a complete idiot should be able to do it. Rolling Eyes

The only reason this even works as a scam (when used as one) is because people are too lazy to even think for more then a minute about basic game mechanics.

Atticus Fynch
Posted - 2009.09.07 22:23:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Khemul Zula
By posting a courier contract publicly, one is assuming that the person taking it will be able to deliver it. Otherwise why would the idiot accept it?


Oh, I can deliver it...I just cant get into the station.
What to do? Jettison the package at their doorstep?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.09.07 22:39:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Oh, I can deliver it...I just cant get into the station.
I.e. you can't deliver it.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.09.07 23:00:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Khemul Zula
By posting a courier contract publicly, one is assuming that the person taking it will be able to deliver it. Otherwise why would the idiot accept it?


Oh, I can deliver it...I just cant get into the station.
What to do? Jettison the package at their doorstep?
Delivery is to the station hangar. That is what you agree to in the contract. Basic game mechanics that if thought of for more then a minute... Rolling Eyes

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.09.07 23:21:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Khemul Zula
By posting a courier contract publicly, one is assuming that the person taking it will be able to deliver it. Otherwise why would the idiot accept it?

Oh, I can deliver it...I just cant get into the station.

Oh, so you mean, you can ALMOST deliver it ? Laughing

What's next, asking for "mailboxes" docking ports JUST to drop off courier contracts ?
Well, that wouldn't be such a bad idea, actually Twisted Evil

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.08 00:08:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Iria Ahrens

Anyone can apply to that job. Ergo, it's open to the public, but you shouldn't apply for the job if you don't have the ability to handle the job. Don't call the employer a dumbass when it's the idiot applicant misrepresented himself. An employer shouldn't be fined for every idiot applicant that can't read the job description.



And if he locks the door and you can't get in and you get fired cause he won't let you in? Lol, Law suit time.

Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2009.09.08 00:25:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Iria Ahrens

Anyone can apply to that job. Ergo, it's open to the public, but you shouldn't apply for the job if you don't have the ability to handle the job. Don't call the employer a dumbass when it's the idiot applicant misrepresented himself. An employer shouldn't be fined for every idiot applicant that can't read the job description.



And if he locks the door and you can't get in and you get fired cause he won't let you in? Lol, Law suit time.


What you don't get is that the people issuing the contracts and the people handling docking rights are not the same. The bulk of 0.0->Empire contracts must even be issued by people locked out of the station that don't know or care who has docking right now...

Frozen Fallout
Gallente
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Posted - 2009.09.08 01:07:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Frozen Fallout on 08/09/2009 01:08:42
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Sad Sad puppy stuff




Your one sad sad puppy you know that Rolling Eyes

It may not be a system that you like and it may also be very much used by Scammers but that doesn't make it an exploit.

If it was you could petition it and CCP would take actions against the offending exploiters.

If you really think this is an exploit petition it and see what CCP says... My guess is they will respond with something you wont like... that or not respond at all Twisted Evil

This crying on the forum stuff is just so pitifully.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.08 01:12:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Lubomir Penev

Originally by: Adunh Slavy

And if he locks the door and you can't get in and you get fired cause he won't let you in? Lol, Law suit time.


What you don't get is that the people issuing the contracts and the people handling docking rights are not the same. The bulk of 0.0->Empire contracts must even be issued by people locked out of the station that don't know or care who has docking right now...


Yes, I do get that, sorry to burst your assumption. The issue is larger than just the docking rights part. That's just a symptom of the flawed design.

Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
Posted - 2009.09.08 01:25:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Lubomir Penev

Originally by: Adunh Slavy

And if he locks the door and you can't get in and you get fired cause he won't let you in? Lol, Law suit time.


What you don't get is that the people issuing the contracts and the people handling docking rights are not the same. The bulk of 0.0->Empire contracts must even be issued by people locked out of the station that don't know or care who has docking right now...


Yes, I do get that, sorry to burst your assumption. The issue is larger than just the docking rights part. That's just a symptom of the flawed design.
Do enlighten us on these 'flaws' in the design. And how docking rights is just the minor part.

It doesn't really work as an arguement just to say "There are flaws" without offering anything to back up the statement. Rolling Eyes

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2009.09.08 01:54:00 - [84]
 

I've noticed a lot of people are very free with the word "exploit" these days. Just because it makes you think, and plan ahead to see if you can accomplish this courier mission does not make it an exploit. They may be preying on other players lack of foresight, common sense, or basic ability to think however this doesn't make the courier mission an exploit of game mechanics as anyone that can complete it can do it. You just are not one of them.

There are a few things you need to understand, yes people can scam you. Is this courier contract a scam? Maybe, the issuer just might want that item delivered. But they probably set the collateral so they can replace that item with 2 of the same item if some half-brained jackhole comes up and accepts the courier even though they can not accomplish it.

This game is very simple in almost every way if you approach it with some forethought and common sense. If however you are too drunk, or tired one day and you push a button for something that turns out to be a scam to you raving about it being an exploit just makes you look even dumber, even more so if you had it happen to you sober.

In conclusion MAN THE **** UP.

Iria Ahrens
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.09.08 01:57:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Iria Ahrens on 08/09/2009 02:13:32

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Iria Ahrens

Anyone can apply to that job. Ergo, it's open to the public, but you shouldn't apply for the job if you don't have the ability to handle the job. Don't call the employer a dumbass when it's the idiot applicant misrepresented himself. An employer shouldn't be fined for every idiot applicant that can't read the job description.



And if he locks the door and you can't get in and you get fired cause he won't let you in? Lol, Law suit time.


Bad allusion. If you look up the issuer and compare to the POS holder, it's not the same.

Don't attribute to conspiracy when stupidity will suffice. The problem here is people being unwilling to be responsible for their own actions.

If I offer payment for someone WITH ACCESS to hanger 18 to deliver a message, and someone takes the contract, then gets shot outside the base because they didn't have access. That is THEIR stupidity.

I don't know who has access. That information is restricted. But if I put up a contract, that's because I WANT it fulfilled. I don't want someone to get blown up moving my stuff, but yea, I will set my collateral high enough so it doesn't make me cry too hard if they do.

Most 0.0 space has a crappy market, so outside Providence, I'd much rather have the modules or ships than the ISK, thank you very much.

And no, PUBLICLY available doesn't mean crap. Even if it were an empire contract to deliver to Jita. It's not MY fault if the person that accepts my contract has is KOS to Caldari Navy and gets blown up outside the station. Again, it's the courier's responsibility to verify they can deliver.

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2009.09.08 02:18:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
OK, I'm convinced. There doesn't need to be a way in-game to tell whether I have docking rights, because I can just convo the diplo of the alliance or maybe corp that owns it. OK, here's a delivery to Delve. Goonswarm, no problem, heard of 'em. Contact 10 separate goons, and they each give me a different name for the diplo. Continue until three of them give me the same name. Convo the diplo, who says "No problem! Come on down." After the attempted delivery, contact the diplo again, who sends a terse "U mad?"

I think I've got it.


The answer is simple, if it is a player owned station in 0.0 and you are not an ally with docking rights you can not dock there. What is so friggen hard about that? One of the features of this sandbox game is that other people can tell you you are not allowed to play with their sandcastle, if that upsets you get some friends and take it from them. If you are unwilling or unable to do so, go elsewhere.

Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
Posted - 2009.09.08 04:59:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Tellenta
Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
OK, I'm convinced. There doesn't need to be a way in-game to tell whether I have docking rights, because I can just convo the diplo of the alliance or maybe corp that owns it. OK, here's a delivery to Delve. Goonswarm, no problem, heard of 'em. Contact 10 separate goons, and they each give me a different name for the diplo. Continue until three of them give me the same name. Convo the diplo, who says "No problem! Come on down." After the attempted delivery, contact the diplo again, who sends a terse "U mad?"

I think I've got it.


The answer is simple, if it is a player owned station in 0.0 and you are not an ally with docking rights you can not dock there. What is so friggen hard about that?

What's so friggen hard about it is that it's wrong. CVA allows neutrals to dock, and in the past others have as well, such as the late lamented ISS.

What's so friggen hard about having an in-game way to tell whether you *really* have docking rights?

Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.09.08 10:28:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 08/09/2009 10:31:47

Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
Originally by: Tellenta
Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
OK, I'm convinced. There doesn't need to be a way in-game to tell whether I have docking rights, because I can just convo the diplo of the alliance or maybe corp that owns it. OK, here's a delivery to Delve. Goonswarm, no problem, heard of 'em. Contact 10 separate goons, and they each give me a different name for the diplo. Continue until three of them give me the same name. Convo the diplo, who says "No problem! Come on down." After the attempted delivery, contact the diplo again, who sends a terse "U mad?"

I think I've got it.


The answer is simple, if it is a player owned station in 0.0 and you are not an ally with docking rights you can not dock there. What is so friggen hard about that?

What's so friggen hard about it is that it's wrong. CVA allows neutrals to dock, and in the past others have as well, such as the late lamented ISS.

What's so friggen hard about having an in-game way to tell whether you *really* have docking rights?



there is. it's called your standing.

if the outpost is held by an alliance based on NBSI (which in fact is likely 99% of all player owned outposts) and your corp has no standing to them ... which includes 99,99999% of all the random no-name empire corps -> no docking rights
if the outpost is held by an alliance and your corp is set to red standing -> no docking rights
if the outpost is held by an alliance and your corp is set to blue standing -> you or one of the directors in your corp will likely know the diplomat(s) of the stationholding corp to get docking rights

unless you have already established diplomatic relations with said entity, you *always* have to assume that you fall into the neutral/red category.
it's not rocket science or is it?

if you want to make business in 0.0 you have to think like the ones living in 0.0

fyi - i've done several courier contracts in 0.0, some of them even from/to player stations. before taking a contract i *always* checked if my corp/alliance had according standings to the station owner, and often also asking in alliance chat if we had actually docking rights at the wanted stations. and only then i was taking the contract.

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2009.09.08 12:31:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
Originally by: Tellenta
Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
OK, I'm convinced. There doesn't need to be a way in-game to tell whether I have docking rights, because I can just convo the diplo of the alliance or maybe corp that owns it. OK, here's a delivery to Delve. Goonswarm, no problem, heard of 'em. Contact 10 separate goons, and they each give me a different name for the diplo. Continue until three of them give me the same name. Convo the diplo, who says "No problem! Come on down." After the attempted delivery, contact the diplo again, who sends a terse "U mad?"

I think I've got it.


The answer is simple, if it is a player owned station in 0.0 and you are not an ally with docking rights you can not dock there. What is so friggen hard about that?

What's so friggen hard about it is that it's wrong. CVA allows neutrals to dock, and in the past others have as well, such as the late lamented ISS.

What's so friggen hard about having an in-game way to tell whether you *really* have docking rights?



well you can engage in conversation at a diplomatic level, and of course you can fly out there and try to dock trust but verify and all that. Finding out if you can dock at a station is your problem not mine.

Kyax
Posted - 2009.09.08 12:42:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Edited by: Atticus Fynch on 06/09/2009 22:50:20
So my bottom line now...I will NEVER pick up or deliver to 0.0. The trip is hazardous enough...and it may be a waste of time afterall.


Courier contracts are not just for third parties and in 0.00 they are aimed towards managing the assets of those people who reside there. Just because you can play the game in one style in lowsec/empire does not mean you can continue in 0.00. In answer to your question you are not buying anything you are offering a service and it is your reponsibility to make sure you can honour that service.


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