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Kyra Neve
Caldari
Robert Robertson and Associates
Posted - 2009.09.05 23:27:00 - [1]
 

I am old veteran in this game, seen the mad days of multiple MWD's in one ship, golden age of HG Snake Sabre and now the era of snail.

Looking at the trailers, player made movies and comparing them to in game pvp videos makes me sad. For example in the Day of Darkness II, when the Ogre II's fly head to head against Condors the speed is massive. Right now after the 'nanonerf' only ships really giving the feeling of speed are interceptors. And now you can shut down the MWD with scrambler, to make sure that even interceptors are slow boating.

Was the nanonerf big mistake in game expierence wise? I personally enjoyed of flying Sabre 14 000 ms, holy hell the feeling was great! The actual movement in the battlefield is really minimal, you just keep aligning and warping. Trying to get warp in with Covert Ops frigate, or sitting still. And bashing POS. And again, and again. Sitting still, firing.

Since we rarely figth anywhere else than in asteroid belts, gates and planets, the movement doesn't play high role there. It makes me sad that if you have a cruiser for example, in most cases it's faster to warp across the solar system and warp back instead of burning close to your target with MWD.

I really think that PVP in EVE needs more adrenaline, more feeling, more choices and tactical possibilities in the actual battlefield.

Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
Posted - 2009.09.05 23:30:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Verx Interis on 05/09/2009 23:31:26
Originally by: Kyra Neve
Waaah I don't get to be invincible anymore


Your stuff, can I have it?

Edit: 2008 called, they want their whine back

Lothros Andastar
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.05 23:39:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Verx Interis
Edited by: Verx Interis on 05/09/2009 23:31:26
Originally by: Kyra Neve
Waaah I don't get to be invincible anymore


Your stuff, can I have it?

Edit: 2008 called, they want their whine back
I was going to be first, but I had to wait 5 Minutes

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.09.06 00:35:00 - [4]
 

I think the nano nerf has actually added a lot of depth to PVP. My current speed-related complaint is that in-warp acceleration/deceleration is uniform regardless of hull size. Cruisers/frigs should accelerate/decelerate to/from their top warp speed faster. As is now, the warp speed advantages of interceptors and EAS are almost irrelevant even compared to BS on all but the longest of warps.

Marko Riva
Posted - 2009.09.06 00:38:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
I think the nano nerf has actually added a lot of depth to PVP. My current speed-related complaint is that in-warp acceleration/deceleration is uniform regardless of hull size. Cruisers/frigs should accelerate/decelerate to/from their top warp speed faster. As is now, the warp speed advantages of interceptors and EAS are almost irrelevant even compared to BS on all but the longest of warps.


Quite so.

Suboran
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.09.06 00:59:00 - [6]
 

I miss clinging onto my vagabond by the seat of my pants and orbiting a drake at5km/s in my ishtar and laughing loudly at his 0.1 damage

Michwich
Posted - 2009.09.06 01:03:00 - [7]
 

What PVP? Spawn camping isnt pvp its called greifing in most games ive played.

Waci
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.09.06 01:18:00 - [8]
 

Have you played EVE?

Pajama Sam
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.09.06 01:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Michwich
What PVP? Spawn camping isnt pvp its called greifing in most games ive played.


What the hell are you talking about?

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2009.09.06 02:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Pajama Sam
Originally by: Michwich
What PVP? Spawn camping isnt pvp its called greifing in most games ive played.

What the hell are you talking about?


Probably the fact that lots of Eve PVP consists of sitting around the places players appear in systems, gates and stations, where the are "spawned", and then shooting at them.

Just like those people that play on FPS games and hang out at spawn points and blow away anyone unlucky enough to spawn in front of them.

Conchan Amaroni
Posted - 2009.09.06 03:12:00 - [11]
 

I disagree with the idea of decelerating. Space has no air resistance, and so I don't exactly know how it would work. If anything the faster the ship is the faster it should decelerate because of the larger thrust to weight ratio?? My two cents

Another Liberthas
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.09.06 03:41:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Conchan Amaroni
I disagree with the idea of decelerating. Space has no air resistance, and so I don't exactly know how it would work. If anything the faster the ship is the faster it should decelerate because of the larger thrust to weight ratio?? My two cents


Deceleration is just acceleration in the other direction.
However, yes, the smaller ships should, and do, accelerate and decelerate faster, until warping comes into the equation, which involves some crazy physics that doesn't actually exist.

The Riddik
Posted - 2009.09.06 04:20:00 - [13]
 

once again, a post that means nothing, coming from an OP who fails.


Lord Bentley
The Syndicates
Posted - 2009.09.06 04:47:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: The Riddik
once again, a post that means nothing, coming from an OP who fails.




I think the only one failing here is you.

Another Liberthas
Caldari
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.09.06 04:59:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lord Bentley
Originally by: The Riddik
once again, a post that means nothing, coming from an OP who fails.




I think the only one failing here is you.


This.

Max Queso
Posted - 2009.09.06 05:50:00 - [16]
 

I just reviewed an old Fraps I'd made on the last day of nano where I overloaded my vaga's mwd to catch another vaga burning off a gate. I cracked 10k and got the tackle. It was epic. I do miss nanos. It's too bad that missiles couldn't cope with it but I still think they didn't have to nerf it so hard. They just needed to nerf snakes.

Kyra Neve
Caldari
Robert Robertson and Associates
Posted - 2009.09.06 06:14:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Verx Interis

Originally by: Kyra Neve
Waaah I don't get to be invincible anymore


Idiot...

My point was the whole PVP and moving in space part of this game, our ships are in space after all. And this is SCIFI game, not realistic space simulation.

Digital Solaris
Posted - 2009.09.06 06:29:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kyra Neve


My point was the whole PVP and moving in space part of this game, our ships are in space after all. And this is SCIFI game, not realistic space simulation.


So what you really want is big numbers when you hit your MWDs in your nanoed whatever that you are flying. Is that it?

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.09.06 06:36:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Verx Interis
Edited by: Verx Interis on 05/09/2009 23:31:26
Originally by: Kyra Neve
Waaah I don't get to be invincible anymore


Your stuff, can I have it?

Edit: 2008 called, they want their whine back


This

Don't give me that 'ships aren't moving around' crap.

Ships have been moving around more then ever since the web nerf, before that practically every was webbing down each other and all ships were practically sitting still in combat.

It also gave Caldari more of a chance to be able to fit even a half decent small gang pvp setup since webs were no longer absolutely necessary and we got a warp jammer mod that effectively came with one built in giving us free mids.

Nice try hiding your stealth 'I'm not invincable in my vagabond anymore' whine behind a host of unrelated issues though.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2009.09.06 09:06:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy

Nice try hiding your stealth 'I'm not invincable in my vagabond anymore' whine behind a host of unrelated issues though.


Well now the Vagabond is not good for anything, so... :)

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.06 09:15:00 - [21]
 

Please tell that to all the vaga pilots i see roaming arround.

Sworn Absent
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.09.06 10:48:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Sworn Absent on 06/09/2009 10:49:00
the vaga is still awesome you guys are just noobs

see also: curse and the nos/speed nerfs, caracal navy issue, etc

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2009.09.06 12:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy

It also gave Caldari more of a chance to be able to fit even a half decent small gang pvp setup since webs were no longer absolutely necessary and we got a warp jammer mod that effectively came with one built in giving us free mids.



Screw 10.8km range tackle tbh. The fact it's so goddamn vital for a close-range ship combined with the fact that it so gimps your ability to tackle and/or kite... you LOSE a mid if you want anything like pre-qr functionality (meaning, 24+4km pointrange + ability to hold a target up close).

The 60% web itself does not hold anything well enough to be able to use many forms of close-range ammo without a scrambler on top. Which means your tackle range is now a pathetic 10.8km.


Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.09.06 13:30:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Kyra Neve

I really think that PVP in EVE needs more adrenaline, more feeling, more choices and tactical possibilities in the actual battlefield.


you're contradicting yourself.

one the one hand you want to move fast, but on the other you want tactical depth?
sadly those two don't go well together.

when you move with 10-14km/s it only takes a split second (or atleast very few) and you're likely out of weaponrange .. meaning - you see your tactic doesn't work out, you always can try to leg it, most of the time successful. the tactics itself become less important, as the exit option is always open. even a not-so good plan might succeed - or atleast not kill you.

now it's far more important to plan ahead. a not-so good plan might get you killed.

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2009.09.06 13:54:00 - [25]
 

OMG OMG NO ONE CAN SHOOT ME, I WIN EVEPVP!!! SOO INTENSE1111!!!111!


Dude, are you playing EVE by mail? cause.....a nanonerf whine at this point in time is as pointless as a nosnerf whine....


or was it flashback friday and someone forgot to tell me?LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing


 

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