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Sudden Killer
Caldari
Flota Estelar Iberica
Posted - 2009.09.02 23:00:00 - [1]
 

Hi CCP and GMS, and players XD

I have this isue, after the patch one rigs time eficiency take litle more than 12 days to take it from 0 to 100.Shocked

Now before the patch it take more than 118 days, there must be something wrong almots 4 months for take a rig Time eficiency from 0 to 100 OMG.

I notice they are now Large Rigs but still to much time, and the bonus is the same no more bonus or other advatage (the only advantage is for the other new types of rigs they use less material), this is unfair to the players already owns bpos rigs buyed after the patch :(, i have a lot of bpos rigs to take from 0 to 100, and i manage only 9 slots for laboratories (until i lvl the skill to lvl 5), its mean i only can do labs job avery 4 moths for rigs bpos and i have almost 35 bpos rigs in time eficiency lvl 0 Evil or Very Mad its gona take me years to make all of this bpos to time eficiency to lvl 100 and have some profit of its, i need to put all of this bpos on lvl 100 time eficiency, if it is for time eficiency omg how much time have cct set for material lvl it cant be.

I think it is unfair Sad ExclamationExclamation

I hope this is a error, becuase its become to much time to take it only for time eficiency to 100.Question

Thx for read this message.

Cygwin Gaad
Caldari
The Element Syndicate
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.02 23:10:00 - [2]
 

Simple:
Stop researching PE to 100 for rigs.

you're spending a 100 days to reduce your build time by about 15 mins.

quit being stupid.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.09.03 00:14:00 - [3]
 

ME:10/PE:10 should be more than you normally need.
You can go ME:20/PE:20 if you're obsessive about it, but 100 ?
Seriously ?
Maybe research times need to be increased even more... for ALL blueprints.

Ehricha Valdis
Evoluxa
Posted - 2009.09.03 00:21:00 - [4]
 

I actually wish they would increase the ME/PE time for all blueprints, so this 100/100 insanity would stop. Please use http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo and stop wasting so much of your time.

Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2009.09.03 01:16:00 - [5]
 

I make a significant percentage of my income from producing rigs.

I've NEVER researched a single level of PE on a rig BPO.

Many of the small rigs are perfect at ME 0 and at most need ME 1.

Medium Rigs vary between ME 2 and ME 7 to be perfect (I've not completed the whole batch yet, but am 2/3 of the way through. The most profitable ones are all done).

Large rigs are perfect somewhere between ME 17 and 27 - those BPOs were researched a long time ago, so I'm relying on memory.

With 223 rig BPOs to be researched, stop wasting your research time on stupid things like PE100 and do some actual thinking about it. It's excessive research that's killing the availability of research slots in stations.

I don't often get angry on the forums, but this behaviour is nothing short of stupid, unless it's blatant trolling, (at least if you're a troll you've raised awareness).

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2009.09.03 17:42:00 - [6]
 

Look at how long it takes to do the PE research, then look at how many runs you'd have to make to recover that time.

The only BPOs I insist on a high amount of PE for are ammo BPOs, since one typically builds a lot of runs at once (I typically make batches of 2,000 runs). In this case, spending a few days on PE research is soon recovered in manufacturing time savings.

Sudden Killer
Caldari
Flota Estelar Iberica
Posted - 2009.09.05 01:32:00 - [7]
 

o.O omg guys thx for the explanation, i gona take the advice Laughing,
Ok let me see if i got it:

Smals rigs PE 0 to 1
Mediums rigs PE 10 to 20
Large rigs PE 17 to 27.

And all ME from 10 to 20 max

OK thx so much, i dotn gona waste more of mi time and money on it. Very Happy

But still i think PE from 12 days before patch and 118 days after pacth it is to much Laughing, and it is to much stupid programing PE from 12 days before to 118 days after the patch to make it from 0 to lvl 100 PE only for get 15 minutes less.

Darth Skorpius
m3 Corp
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2009.09.05 01:46:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Sudden Killer
But still i think PE from 12 days before patch and 118 days after pacth it is to much Laughing, and it is to much stupid programing PE from 12 days before to 118 days after the patch to make it from 0 to lvl 100 PE only for get 15 minutes less.


oneo f the reasons for this change was because people were researchign rig bpos to stupid lvls and taking up valuable slots. now if they watn to be stupid with it, it will cost them an arm and a leg to do so, hopefully makign them think twice but at least taking thier isk away before they use it for something truely stupid

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.09.05 05:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Sudden Killer
o.O omg guys thx for the explanation, i gona take the advice Laughing,
Ok let me see if i got it:

Smals rigs PE 0 to 1
Mediums rigs PE 10 to 20
Large rigs PE 17 to 27.

And all ME from 10 to 20 max

OK thx so much, i dotn gona waste more of mi time and money on it. Very Happy




You have ME and PE reversed.


Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2009.09.06 05:57:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Sudden Killer
o.O omg guys thx for the explanation, i gona take the advice Laughing,
Ok let me see if i got it:

Smals rigs PE 0 to 1
Mediums rigs PE 10 to 20
Large rigs PE 17 to 27.

And all ME from 10 to 20 max

OK thx so much, i dotn gona waste more of mi time and money on it. Very Happy

But still i think PE from 12 days before patch and 118 days after pacth it is to much Laughing, and it is to much stupid programing PE from 12 days before to 118 days after the patch to make it from 0 to lvl 100 PE only for get 15 minutes less.


Please do some research first. Medium rigs DO NOT require 10 to 20 ME. Most of the smalls don't even require ME 1.

Marinz
Posted - 2009.09.07 14:08:00 - [11]
 

What the last guy said.
Small Rigs - 11 of them need ME 1, one needs ME 2. The rest are perfect ME at 0.
Medium vary between 2 and 10 (only one needs 10 though) with the majority requiring ME 4.
Large I haven't looked into but doing perfect ME on them is probably not worth it as it takes 115 days with Metallurgy 5 and research at a POS for the Medium set.

Kalnov
Gallente
Broski Enterprises
Posted - 2009.09.07 22:19:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Kalnov on 07/09/2009 22:19:09
I suicide gank on some alts occasionally and, while almost never profitable, I sometimes come across haulers with a lot of BPs inside (I say BPs because it's impossible to tell if they're BPO or BPC, especially the destroyed ones). So sometimes I gank them.

The point of the anecdote is that I found a 250 ME Bouncer 1 BPC. I wonder how long that took to make and if the owner realized how much time he wasted researching it....

Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
Posted - 2009.09.08 02:03:00 - [13]
 

yoiu havnt seen the 2500ME hammerhead BPCs going round jita sometimes now thats a waste

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.09.08 07:10:00 - [14]
 

Blueprints should self-destruct if they're researched over 100. Maybe then people would stop researching to ridiculous levels.

Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2009.09.09 00:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
Blueprints should self-destruct if they're researched over 100. Maybe then people would stop researching to ridiculous levels.


This isn't such a bad idea.


DS S
Posted - 2009.09.09 01:26:00 - [16]
 

i have a 1000pe strip miner I bpo somewhere

Albert O'Balsam
Posted - 2009.09.09 07:18:00 - [17]
 

I find it hard to beleive that

1) people still research ME and PE past 10 or 20 when even the biggest prints are perfectly fine at these levels

2) people buying still seem to put a premium on the higher ME/PE prints when the extra levels make hardly any difference

3) Public research slots are still full everywhere in empire for the next 10 days because people still dont understand the waste of time, money and effort to reach the higher levels.

I wonder if its about time that the Devs took another look at this to encourage players to stop filling up the labs with time wasting research. Maybe a max lvl should be introduced, or some sliding scale of research where ME 1 takes 15 mins but ME 99-100 takes 15 days.

Either way It is about time that the researching public begin to realise that it's all just a waste

Gravecall
Posted - 2009.09.09 14:03:00 - [18]
 

Or they could just get rid of the public research slots, that'd stop people getting upset over them being booked up all the time. lolLaughing

Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2009.09.09 14:38:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Gravecall
Or they could just get rid of the public research slots, that'd stop people getting upset over them being booked up all the time. lolLaughing


With Goons killing high-sec POS, that would make for a fun time trying to get research done at all.

Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Federal Defense Operations
Posted - 2009.09.10 16:53:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Albert O'Balsam
2) people buying still seem to put a premium on the higher ME/PE prints when the extra levels make hardly any difference

...

Either way It is about time that the researching public begin to realise that it's all just a waste
You just answered yourself.

It's not that anyone WANTS their BPO at 100/100. It's because so many suckers will buy a BPC that's been researched to 100/100.

So they sink some extra time into uselessly raising the research, and then charge unbelievable prices for the BPC.

It's all about profits!

Noonesoski
Posted - 2009.09.11 15:38:00 - [21]
 

I have a really great idea:

The public slots have a cap on research levels.

If you want to research higher than the cap, do it in your own labs, thank you, have a nice day.

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.09.11 15:42:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Albert O'Balsam
I find it hard to beleive that

1) people still research ME and PE past 10 or 20 when even the biggest prints are perfectly fine at these levels

2) people buying still seem to put a premium on the higher ME/PE prints when the extra levels make hardly any difference

3) Public research slots are still full everywhere in empire for the next 10 days because people still dont understand the waste of time, money and effort to reach the higher levels.

I wonder if its about time that the Devs took another look at this to encourage players to stop filling up the labs with time wasting research. Maybe a max lvl should be introduced, or some sliding scale of research where ME 1 takes 15 mins but ME 99-100 takes 15 days.

Either way It is about time that the researching public begin to realise that it's all just a waste



noob

All rig BPOs should be researched perfect.

Amodeus Dralnalak
Posted - 2009.09.12 03:41:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Albert O'Balsam

I wonder if its about time that the Devs took another look at this to encourage players to stop filling up the labs with time wasting research. Maybe a max lvl should be introduced, or some sliding scale of research where ME 1 takes 15 mins but ME 99-100 takes 15 days.


How about a setup where at some ME point, you hit "perfect" and then you simply cannot research ME past that? The ME level could then be changed to read "99999" or something, which means "perfect".


The levels of research that are profitable seems to have been done a bit off in Eve. Even with the math, people cannot seem to agree on how many levels are useful.

Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Posted - 2009.09.12 03:58:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
noob

All rig BPOs should be researched perfect.


troll, read the entire thread, not just one post.

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.09.12 04:19:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: Ghoest
noob

All rig BPOs should be researched perfect.


troll, read the entire thread, not just one post.


huh?

The thread is about rig BPs. The dude was wrong. Its not like he even made an exception for Rig BPs. He spoke in absolute terms.

Dumb whiner.

Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Posted - 2009.09.12 04:57:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Signore Kaeota
Originally by: Ghoest
noob

All rig BPOs should be researched perfect.


troll, read the entire thread, not just one post.


huh?

The thread is about rig BPs. The dude was wrong. Its not like he even made an exception for Rig BPs. He spoke in absolute terms.

Dumb whiner.


*sighs* let me explain what he meant to you, since all you know about manufacturing is clearly limited to rigs.

There are people out there who research BPOs to stupid levels (think the highest I've seen is something like 2400ME). This is pointless. In fact, generally everything about 20 is pointless. Why is this? Because the saving are so much LESS than what it costs you to research it.

Exceptions? Sure. Want some?

Rigs
BSs
Capital Components

I could find half a dozen others if I tried.

My point? Don't troll someone unless you know their wrong. Yes, this THREAD started off as rig research, but then turned into GENERAL research, which you would have known if you had read the whole thing.

To get picky?
Dumb = you can't talk (the misuse of this word constantly p*sses me off)
whiner... where did I whine? I told you to read the damned thread before you post insulting someone. How is that a whine?

Moron.

Zartanic
Posted - 2009.09.12 11:23:00 - [27]
 

When the rig changes came out I got a medium rig BPO and manufactured as much as I could, making a killing. I noticed in the region maybe 5 of us were doing the same. I looked at the labs and noticed Me research times were even worse than normal as all those people were happily researching for their ME on the new BPO's and missing the 300% profit.

It's amazing how so many people can't do simple maths. Until they can we will get silly posts and long research waits.

We even had one guy moaning that his large rigs wouldn't fit into smaller slots, missing the fact he could reprocess them and make on that.


Ghoest
Posted - 2009.09.12 19:47:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Zartanic
When the rig changes came out I got a medium rig BPO and manufactured as much as I could, making a killing. I noticed in the region maybe 5 of us were doing the same. I looked at the labs and noticed Me research times were even worse than normal as all those people were happily researching for their ME on the new BPO's and missing the 300% profit.

It's amazing how so many people can't do simple maths. Until they can we will get silly posts and long research waits.

We even had one guy moaning that his large rigs wouldn't fit into smaller slots, missing the fact he could reprocess them and make on that.





Umm wouldnt the smart move be too buy 2 of the most popular rigs and researc one? Im not saying thats what everyone did but it seems to me if you did throw onw in research you were no smarter than anyone else.

Ghoest
Posted - 2009.09.12 19:52:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Signore Kaeota
]

*sighs* let me explain what he meant to you, since all you know about manufacturing is clearly limited to rigs.

There are people out there who research BPOs to stupid levels (think the highest I've seen is something like 2400ME). This is pointless. In fact, generally everything about 20 is pointless. Why is this? Because the saving are so much LESS than what it costs you to research it.

Exceptions? Sure. Want some?

Rigs
BSs
Capital Components

I could find half a dozen others if I tried.

My point? Don't troll someone unless you know their wrong. Yes, this THREAD started off as rig research, but then turned into GENERAL research, which you would have known if you had read the whole thing.

To get picky?
Dumb = you can't talk (the misuse of this word constantly p*sses me off)
whiner... where did I whine? I told you to read the damned thread before you post insulting someone. How is that a whine?

Moron.


He was wrong - its that simple. I dont care if he is your signifigant other - Im going to point out his bad advice so deal with it.

And as for being "picky" You really must be a dummy. You just used "troll" in a slang way so its fine for me to insult your intelligence with slang.

Idiot.

Signore Kaeota
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Posted - 2009.09.13 07:41:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
He was wrong - its that simple. I dont care if he is your signifigant other - Im going to point out his bad advice so deal with it.

And as for being "picky" You really must be a dummy. You just used "troll" in a slang way so its fine for me to insult your intelligence with slang.

Idiot.


He wasn't wrong. His advice was good (in fact most researchers could do with having it beaten into them), it just wasn't 100% inclusive; e.g. it didn't take into account EVERY situation. What in EVE does? Relating that post to the original topic is stupid, because he wasn't posting ABOUT the original topic - a fact which is perfectly clear.

If you'll look, you'll see I'm fully agreeing with you, rigs SHOULD be researched to perfect (though I also made a killing in the first week off of un-researched prints) - I'm saying you insult of him was wrong, and your assumption that his post must relate to the original post, simply because it's in the OP's thread, is stupid.

Yes, I know I used a word which technically doesn't mean what I used it for. I know you did too. Do I think mine was more 'correct'? No. As I said, I just hate when people use the word 'dumb' to mean 'stupid'. It was more an observation than anything, and I fully admit that my own english is far from perfect (absolute cr*p usually) - I just couldn't stop myself pointing it out.

And as one last pointless fact (cause I LOVE these); I don't have a significant other... perhaps I should ask him? Laughing



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