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Kuan Yida
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.09.01 14:45:00 - [1]
 

As a long-term member of the Matari miltia, we scanned down two Amarr militia 'ceptor pilots flying a mission in Lantorn. They escaped before we could capture them, but left a field littered with the wreckage of their own Empire's ships. Since when do PIE pilots turn on their own?

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Kazuma Ry
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.01 14:53:00 - [2]
 

Those wrecks while may look like what remains of Amarr Empire ships, most likely had gone rogue, and the PIE pilots were just following orders from the Empire.

Pretty much what any loyal Imperial citizen would do, when asked by his/her Empire.


Garst Tyrell
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2009.09.01 18:06:00 - [3]
 

You must be really stretching for attention. When your own corps and FC's stop going rogue and wardeccing your own republic corps you can try making a worthwhile announcement on IGS. This "announcement" is pathetic to the point that its laughable.

Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2009.09.01 18:22:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 01/09/2009 18:29:39
Ah. The "order" you empirelists are talking about so loud in public. This seems me as something that should interest your inquisition. Because for me this is looking like something like murder on Amarr Empire soldiers. However do you explain this mess.

But of cause we are the chaotic barbarians.

Nods enthusiastically.

I find this highly amusing. And while you are killing your own people, I'd better say: you massacre them, I as an enemy militia pilot try to save the lives of your soldiers. Try to trick them around and get infiltrators inside your military compounds without the guards noticing what is going on.

I did not kill an Amarr regular soldier for a long time. For I don't like to slaughter the helpless regulars anymore. If I can avoid the direct conflict, I do. If I meet an Amarrian capsuleer, I attack. This here, I say, is looking like a kind of amusing PR desaster, that everyone finds highly entertaining that is not in the service of PIE Inc.

Ah this is how PIE earns their loyalitypoints for which we all have to work so hard to proof us. They do in their own soldiers. A little dagger in the back is nice for shop at stuffershack.

Alica is laughing tears when she closes the com.

Lord Maximullis
Amarr
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2009.09.01 18:23:00 - [5]
 

Marius' face appears onscreen..

He begins to crease with laughter "Oh....thats brilliant, your targeting mechanisms malfunction? or is someone going to be facing a court martial?"

Marius can be seen laughing as the feed ends.


Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
Posted - 2009.09.01 19:02:00 - [6]
 

What is going on in Amarr Militia?

PIE Inc. takes action against Amarr Navy vessels and denies any comment on public channels, while two famous Amarr Militia pilots have started to act against their own people. Do we have a rebellion inside the Amarr Militia? Is this the start of a military putsch that acts against the government and has started their offensive?


Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Kumiho's Smile
Posted - 2009.09.01 20:34:00 - [7]
 

Oh, look, the Amarr had some sort of friendly fire incident. Clearly they must be a pack of honorless, hypocritical dogs. Garharhar.

Gods and spirits, pilots.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.01 21:54:00 - [8]
 

All I see in that picture are the wrecks of Amarrian vessels. I see no PIE vessels.

Kuan Yida
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.09.01 22:01:00 - [9]
 

Sir, perhaps you should examine the CONCORD kill tags on the wrecks, clearly indicating the party responsible?

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2009.09.01 22:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Garst Tyrell
You must be really stretching for attention. When your own corps and FC's stop going rogue and wardeccing your own republic corps you can try making a worthwhile announcement on IGS. This "announcement" is pathetic to the point that its laughable.

I like how you don't answer the question.

Originally by: Rodj Blake
All I see in that picture are the wrecks of Amarrian vessels. I see no PIE vessels.

And I love how you pretend not to see that the corporation responsible for destroying those ships is clearly labled [PIE].

Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar
Fates Assembly
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2009.09.01 22:54:00 - [11]
 

oh really now, lets not start this stupid standings argument again.

Vaarun
Amarr
The Night Crew
Posted - 2009.09.01 22:55:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kuan Yida
Sir, perhaps you should examine the CONCORD kill tags on the wrecks, clearly indicating the party responsible?


We have...and things can be altered...and the tags shows some inconsistencies. Perhaps if you named the pilots involved and shared the entire screenshot which should show the system and perhaps the pilots you are accusing in local?

Or...has that data been "misplaced"?

Furthermore, it has not been unheard of for units of any faction to go rogue, requiring military action against your own. It is a sad situation, but orders are orders.

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.02 00:16:00 - [13]
 

You know, the ability to manipulate images is centuries old.

Also, does it seem odd to anyone else that we have an allegation that Amarrian interceptors were destroying cruisers known for their ability to use neutralizers?

Theophilas
Amarr
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2009.09.02 01:09:00 - [14]
 

This is sad. What did you hope to even accomplish posting this tripe? Fool. Did you doubt the unity of the Amarr Empire???

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.09.02 01:36:00 - [15]
 

Excuses and denial with no assertion that there will be a board of inquiry from PIE to investigate this incident.

Sounds less like proper Imperial protocol and more like a cover-up.

Kuan, you might wanna try to find a way to forward this information to the Ministry of Internal Order.

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.02 02:29:00 - [16]
 

Why would we even consider forming a "board of inquiry" for an accusation by an enemy that has less weight than your average Gallente tabloid?

Such a practice would have us running dozens of "boards of inquiry" at once on all sorts of specious accusations backed by gritty images and no actual information.

Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.09.02 03:24:00 - [17]
 

Allow me to be the first to break from the tact taken by my brethren. I would like to extend my heartiest congratulations to the pilots of PIE for their victory. I hope that their future holds many more such victories against the forces of the Slaver empire. Good work!

Xenea
Amarr
Posted - 2009.09.02 04:45:00 - [18]
 

This is not news, or at least not news to those who study theology. I can give you the exact date Amarrians turned on their own, if you would like -- it is 21875. This savagery is the least, I repeat, the least of their crimes against Lord God. It should suprise nobody that PIE also justified the murder of those who wrote the Scriptures.

Blood does not wash neatly or quickly from the hand of a heretic.

These fallen pilots, like so many other loyal servants of Lord God, were silenced forever, for holding traditional Amarrian values that did not fit the agenda of the New Order. This is but the most recent episode, in a long series of profanations, committed by the supporters of the Theology Council.

Lord God be with families of the martyred.

Xenea

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2009.09.02 07:00:00 - [19]
 

Is this anything more than yet another destroyed fleet of rebel minmatar pilots who got their calloused hands on an illegal shipment of Amarrian vessels? And most probably stopped while on their way to commit crimes under their guise as Empire soldiers and produce some direly needed propaganda in the process?

I understand that Empire ships are desirable, but you are advised to study the manuals a little longer next time around, rebel scum.

I salute PIE for taking such swift action.

Leopold Caine
Amarr
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2009.09.02 08:04:00 - [20]
 

As much as I would like to stay neutral on this topic, I do think you are blowing it out of proportion.
Faulty communications, botch in the weapons or targeting systems, anything could happen really. Occam's razor, anyone?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.02 08:31:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kuan Yida
Sir, perhaps you should examine the CONCORD kill tags on the wrecks, clearly indicating the party responsible?


Well spotted.

Now, perhaps you would care to supply us all with the full story of what really happened?

Adeptus mecanicus
Caldari
The Flaming Sideburn's
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.02 09:33:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Oh, look, the Amarr had some sort of friendly fire incident. Clearly they must be a pack of honorless, hypocritical dogs. Garharhar.

Gods and spirits, pilots.


well it might be due to the strain on their vallet that they use low grade chips on their targeting system, in a way its to bad that this now gets focusRolling Eyes they might have keept on blowing eatch other up fore months Wink

lucifers widow
United Front Alliance renting corp
Posted - 2009.09.02 10:43:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Havohej
[I like how you don't answer the question.




That is the pot calling the kettle black.


Goshien Aiel
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.09.02 14:12:00 - [24]
 

They were attacked first? Self-defense against one's own navy isn't that unusual.

No evidence they did anything wrong.

Arkady Sadik
Minmatar
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.09.02 14:39:00 - [25]
 

While I think all these excuses of "they were shot at first!" or even "image manipulation!" are rather crude for the usually so well-versed leadership of PIE, I think it is pretty unlikely that they will admit in public that their pilots made a mistake there. Amarrians are not known to publically claim each other to be wrong. Liars are sinners unless it's a public lie to protect the image of the Empire and its servants.

But I do expect heads to roll internally. Good luck to the pilots who did this - you will need it. As much as PIE likes to show unity to the outside, they can be cruel behind the scenes to those who betray the Empire.

Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2009.09.02 14:48:00 - [26]
 

Well its clear that 24th IC agents that are directly under control of the empire cant issue orders and missions to capsuleers to kill and destroy amarrian assets.

As you said this happened in lantorn it is clear forgery.

1. all system details including local with names are cut.
2. no proof is given that the video scan is true and not edited.



Zenton Karvash
Amarr
Ryn Incorporated
Posted - 2009.09.02 15:12:00 - [27]
 

Having flown along side PIE Inc. As well as being in PIE Inc for a time. I have only known them to be the most honorable and loyal pilots serving the Amarrian cause. This said, I can only see this as a clear attack on PIE Inc's image a pathetic attempt by the Minmatar propaganda machine.

Melichor Duraldi
Gallente
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2009.09.02 15:47:00 - [28]
 

Now this must obviously be a forgery. If PIE was attacked by their own navy mistakenly it would have been much easier to warp out then destroy the entire force, right?...Rolling Eyes

Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.09.02 15:54:00 - [29]
 

How about we actually get a story rather than a blurry image?

It would need to account for why PIE pilots would supposedly be running missions for Matari agents.

Because right now, my most likely scenario is that Huang Yinglong ran a mission in Lantorn and they said to eachother: "Hey guys, wouldn't it be funny if we blamed this on PIE, changing the images would be easy."

Maybe if we got more details on this story it would be harder to dismiss out of hand. But really, I doubt it.

Theophilas
Amarr
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2009.09.02 16:02:00 - [30]
 

How is it that we even engage these heretics in argument?

The Theology Council should give us all a test of faith just to ensure we're of sound mind to even bother responding to this rabble.


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