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whispous
Gallente
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.01 11:12:00 - [1]
 

I expect most of you know this http://www.damagedealer.com . Well, recently i've had a few people mentioning "I saw your video on damagedealer". So I went to check it out.

What I found was my videos, uploaded by the owner, badly mangled and stretched.


I Sent a polite message requesting they be taken down.

Quote:
> From: whispous with message:
>
> I didn't put my videos up on this site. I want them to be downloaded from eve-files and watched properly, so I would appreciate any of my videos being taken off the site.
>
> They may include:
>
> -STOPSHIELDBOOSTING
> -Acta Non Verba
> -Whispous Can Tank That
> -Engage me
> -FISHBOWL



To which I got the reply
Quote:

your videos were deleted.

But to sumarize something,

what makes you think that the videos cannot be watched properly on DD, formerly evetube. You can even download the original version of the videos. The Streamfiles are 2 pass encoded h264 videos. The advantage is that people can take a shot at the video without downloading a few hundred of megabyte of data and just jump to minute 10 of a video as example.

Additional to that, DD may look like a commercial page, but in fact it doesnt make huge profit, the money earned from advertising is used to pay licence fees for the music included in the videos that are uploaded by our users, so that its legal to show them if they include commercial music tracks.

All your videos had good ratings and together around 2000 unique views (2000 views from different ip adresses), im sad that they are gone now.


Now, I thought this sounded a bit ****y of him.
I also was all
:? at the quality thing, as when you click the 720p butan it just stretches the small blurry flash video even more.


I thought about it for a bit and, with the fact in mind that basically he was moaning about me not wanting him to use MY videos to make a (aparrently small) amount of money for himself, I sent another message saying that I understood his motives to some extent, and that he could now keep them uploaded (seeing as he hadn't actually removed them anyway, natch)

I then explored the site a bit more, and found he had blogged this:
Quote:

phantom deleted whispous videos another eve-files fanboy not understanding the princip...


(but I couldn't see the full comment as the blogging feature is impossible to use.)

I waited a week with no reply to my frankly unessesary offer for him to keep using them, and sent a message asking for some kind of thanks, as I was feeling quite ****ed off with him. All I got back was a "I did reply!" reply.


Seeing his frankly ******ed opinions and selfishness, I have been feeling more and more annoyed with him.
tl;dr, the owner is a douchebag.

Ken LEEEEEEE
Amarr
Posted - 2009.09.01 11:21:00 - [2]
 

Ok so your problem was that someone uploaded your videos on a site ???
are you insane or what ?
thats a good thing if you didn't notice ! let me explain you when a movie its uploaded on multiple sites/forums/blog/****s/etc moar viewers you'll have :))

Willington
Gallente
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2009.09.01 11:23:00 - [3]
 

No whispous, I'm sorry to say, but it's you.

Seriously, this guy does a tremendous community work for the movie makers. A LOT more people actually watch the videos only because of this site.
I have not found an online streaming site with better quality until now and I appreciate his efforts very much.
If you for some reason I really cannot understand feel hurt about someone doing you a great favour (makig your movies more known, and thats the only reason you publicate your movies in first place, isn't it?), then something is seriously wrong.

Christoffski
Caldari
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2009.09.01 18:40:00 - [4]
 

I agree with the op,

Damage dealer owner should pay royalties for the privalege of wispous's work.

Even though it's not his music or technically not his game that he filmed, he should stillg et something for his creativity.

And the quality is crap btw.

Lexa Hellfury
Immortal.
Posted - 2009.09.01 19:30:00 - [5]
 

Rolling Eyes

Harotak
Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2009.09.01 19:30:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Harotak on 01/09/2009 19:33:09
I do find it ironic that someone who puts copyrighted music into an eve video and distributes it freely is mad that someone else is taking his creative work and placing it on a website without paying him for it.

I SERIOUSLY doubt this guy makes a profit on this after paying for the server and everything, but it he does, mad props for him. I didn't tell him he could upload my video but I just found out its on there, and got to watch it one more time without waiting for a download, which was quite nice actually.

Dannerkongen
Posted - 2009.09.01 21:34:00 - [7]
 

i think u should upload them to damage dealer urself!

the HD feature works rly good

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2009.09.01 21:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Harotak
Edited by: Harotak on 01/09/2009 19:33:09
I do find it ironic that someone who puts copyrighted music into an eve video and distributes it freely is mad that someone else is taking his creative work and placing it on a website without paying him for it.

I SERIOUSLY doubt this guy makes a profit on this after paying for the server and everything, but it he does, mad props for him. I didn't tell him he could upload my video but I just found out its on there, and got to watch it one more time without waiting for a download, which was quite nice actually.

This pretty much sums up the thread.

Willington
Gallente
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2009.09.01 22:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Harotak

I do find it ironic that someone who puts copyrighted music into an eve video and distributes it freely is mad that someone else is taking his creative work and placing it on a website without paying him for it.



I didn't even think of that. If this was caod, i would probably post the superslam.jpg

xXxDrAgOnWrAiThxXx1996
BOUNTY. HUNTER. MINING. EXSPLORATION. CORPORATION.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.09.01 23:00:00 - [10]
 

ur dum

Andrest Disch
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
Posted - 2009.09.02 15:58:00 - [11]
 

Why do you care?

I hope you don't torrent music or anything because then you might be a huge hypocrite.

Reela Virge
Posted - 2009.09.02 20:25:00 - [12]
 

whispous is right, aspect ratio on the videos isn't being respected. That should be fixed, it makes it look terrible.

And if whispous, the creator of the videos, asks for them to be removed, why shouldn't the owner of damage dealer respect his wishes?
I don't see whispous asking anywhere for compensation.

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2009.09.03 01:11:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 03/09/2009 01:12:08
Originally by: Harotak
Edited by: Harotak on 01/09/2009 19:33:09
I do find it ironic that someone who puts copyrighted music into an eve video and distributes it freely is mad that someone else is taking his creative work and placing it on a website without paying him for it.

I SERIOUSLY doubt this guy makes a profit on this after paying for the server and everything, but it he does, mad props for him. I didn't tell him he could upload my video but I just found out its on there, and got to watch it one more time without waiting for a download, which was quite nice actually.


If you read Whispous' entire OP you will notice he was not out to get money out of this. He was a bit miffed at the fact that they were uploaded by someone else, and apart from the tracks not being his propriety, the movies were his work and represented him.
When he decided to let it go and extend a friendly hand, he found that comment on the blog and got treated as he did.

Maybe you should all read the OP first before replying ... DD fanbois - to quote the DD blog.

Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
Posted - 2009.09.03 08:31:00 - [14]
 

I tried watching the vids streamed and honestly, if you think that's quality (let alone something worthy of 'HD' tags) you're sorely missing out on the good stuff. Download and watch, don't use the stream for a good quality movie.

Completely agree with OP here, if DD actually didn't **** the quality of the vid (omg have you guys actually compared the stream to the real thing?) there wouldn't even be a thread. Legally though, not sure if you can anything about people uploading a vid you put online without full rights..

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2009.09.03 08:45:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 03/09/2009 08:45:32


Honestly, I personally just wish there was a link to this very forum and appropriate thread where the movie had been initially released Smile

Admiral Tom
Posted - 2009.09.03 09:11:00 - [16]
 

I understand where you're comming from.
You created something and now in that situation you felt you didn't have control over your work. Understandable, but still, you made that video for recognition, to encourage people to PvP or to get Eve-famous I don't know you motives. By having your movies there you get closer to achieving your goal, as it reaches out for a wider audience, perhaps someone that doesn't play Eve, and thinks your video was so inspiring he might pick up the game.

It's a win-win situation to share, culture and creations.

Piratpartiet in the Swedish parlament 2010!

Lexa Hellfury
Immortal.
Posted - 2009.09.03 11:20:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Honestly, I personally just wish there was a link to this very forum and appropriate thread where the movie had been initially released Smile



Now that you mention it, this.

Wiaf
Vae Nexon
Neon Equinox
Posted - 2009.09.03 12:30:00 - [18]
 

I totally hear you whispous, I had the kinda the same problem a girl from my old ally uploaded my only vid that Ive done so far (and never really released even though its upped on eve-files). I feel copyright issues right there even though im not a lawyer it really felt crap to have someone else get the probs for MY vid that I frapsed, I cut and I put effort into.

Ive never had anything to do with the creator of damagedealer but from what you say I support you mate feels good to be backstabbed ey? :(

Nyppe
Federation of Synthetic Persons
Posted - 2009.09.03 15:15:00 - [19]
 

@whispous

i deleted your videos without any questioning as soon ive read your email, i also explained to you that i didnt understand why. Your reasons for this are ok and i respected them. You want that people watch it in the quality you made it, thats fine. But you can also download them on DD, you do not have to watch the stream.


I know the problem with the aspect ratio but im not able to fix it for the time being.

And for the money, as i said in another topic. Damagedealer generates revenue from the advertising but NO profit. The advertising money (and its not even penetrant advertising like layers) is used to pay 2 streaming servers with around 10TB of traffic each month.

Additional there is a hosting server which is also paid by this advertisings which offers anyone to get advertising free webspace with php and mysql support.

The best thing is... the people who watch the videos on damagedealer never complained about the quality, and most people download the original file after watching anyway. Also your videos whispous all had good ratings and a massive amount of views.

You create videos, i create sites like damagedealer. Nothing wrong with that.

Insidious
0utbreak
Posted - 2009.09.03 19:09:00 - [20]
 

never heard of that website before..

Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Damu'Khonde
Posted - 2009.09.03 22:50:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 03/09/2009 22:52:44
I run a few eve related sites and I can attest to them making way less than they cost to produce and publish :)

I make maybe $10-15 a month and it costs $45 to run. Admittedly I have just upgraded from a $8 a month package and am only using about 10-20% of my current resources but even when I am maxing out my "semi-dedicated" server I cant see myself more than breaking even. I make School and Education websites for a living, I make eve websites for fun. I imagine the owner of Damage Dealer is no different.

whispous
Gallente
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.03 23:55:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 03/09/2009 22:52:44
I run a few eve related sites and I can attest to them making way less than they cost to produce and publish :)

I make maybe $10-15 a month and it costs $45 to run. Admittedly I have just upgraded from a $8 a month package and am only using about 10-20% of my current resources but even when I am maxing out my "semi-dedicated" server I cant see myself more than breaking even. I make School and Education websites for a living, I make eve websites for fun. I imagine the owner of Damage Dealer is no different.


Originally by: Muad' Dib
If you read Whispous' entire OP you will notice he was not out to get money out of this. He was a bit miffed at the fact that they were uploaded by someone else, and apart from the tracks not being his propriety, the movies were his work and represented him.
When he decided to let it go and extend a friendly hand, he found that comment on the blog and got treated as he did.

Maybe you should all read the OP first before replying ... DD fanbois - to quote the DD blog.

Latino lover
Minmatar
SEX WITH PENYS
Posted - 2009.09.04 10:47:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Latino lover on 04/09/2009 12:48:54
Edited by: Latino lover on 04/09/2009 10:50:28

he's not making the money of your movies you tard , they have sponsor ads ,stupid , none is making any money or will pay money for your ****ty movies ..this is not hollywood this is internet .Stop talking about copyrights and all that crap ; you don't even have license on your fraps or the editing programs and you don't even have copyrights on the music .... if you don't know how internet works stfu

whispous
Gallente
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.05 17:04:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Latino lover
Edited by: Latino lover on 04/09/2009 12:48:54
Edited by: Latino lover on 04/09/2009 10:50:28

he's not making the money of your movies you tard , they have sponsor ads ,stupid , none is making any money or will pay money for your ****ty movies ..this is not hollywood this is internet .Stop talking about copyrights and all that crap ; you don't even have license on your fraps or the editing programs and you don't even have copyrights on the music .... if you don't know how internet works stfu


Oh you moron.

Bestofworst Worstofbest
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.09.05 17:28:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: whispous
Originally by: Latino lover
Edited by: Latino lover on 04/09/2009 12:48:54
Edited by: Latino lover on 04/09/2009 10:50:28

he's not making the money of your movies you tard , they have sponsor ads ,stupid , none is making any money or will pay money for your ****ty movies ..this is not hollywood this is internet .Stop talking about copyrights and all that crap ; you don't even have license on your fraps or the editing programs and you don't even have copyrights on the music .... if you don't know how internet works stfu


Oh you moron.
Well will you be planning to upload the video yourself(And have a link to the Eve-files in the description)? Or do you wish to keep it in its original form?

fmercury
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.09.05 18:10:00 - [26]
 

~~~~~~~~~~u mad

KaiH
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2009.09.06 12:23:00 - [27]
 

tissues on isle three

and stop posting

Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2009.09.08 10:26:00 - [28]
 

This is game

sHERU
Posted - 2009.09.08 10:56:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: sHERU on 08/09/2009 10:56:45
I understand whispous COMPLETELY!

It got NOTHING to do about copyrights or any kind of general whining.

I has to do with idiots that screw up your creation.

The fine people that make eve video's generally take allot of time and effort to present the eve community with with the best to there ability.

It is painful to see a noob run off with your work and screw it up in the worse way possible. It gets worse when you have to cleanup the mess that the noob left behind. (or even worse when you can't clean it up)

I care one bit about copyrights in general, but I hate to see my work turned into a pile of rubbish with a simple act of faulty uploading the video's.

If you do something, do it right, or don't do it at all.

whispous
Gallente
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.09.08 12:47:00 - [30]
 

Thanks, you hit the nail right on the head.

Also, despite telling me twice that they have taken them down, and saying in here that they are down,

They are still up.


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