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Nol Agnot
Nightwatch Immortal
Posted - 2009.09.01 00:02:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Nol Agnot on 01/09/2009 00:12:38
...We Salute You!

I've been trying to come up with this bit of history for the longest time, not the most well advertised thing outside of Poland but damn!

Not to be a political rant or bragfest in any way only credit where credit is due. These were some fierce warriors.

Wikid

Uncarian
The Littlest Hobos
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2009.09.01 00:30:00 - [2]
 

Indeed, 70 years since the start of a war that has shaped the world we live in today, more than any other human conflict in modern history.

Remember.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.09.01 00:58:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 01/09/2009 01:00:21
It's funny - most people are content to joke about dumb Polacks and their submarines with the screen doors on 'em - but I really wonder what the world would look like without the contributions of Polish flyers during the Battle of Britain (google Kosciuszko Squadron) or the fact that Poles broke the Enigma cypher. The British love claiming credit for both of these, yet without the Polish, Britain would have burned. The fierce resistance put up during the invasion of Poland delayed any further German action in the West until 1940, allowing the Euro allies priceless time to prepare.

Read this. It's the tale of a Polish cavalryman. These are the guys you might have heard joked about for being stupid and charging German tanks on horseback. Joke all you want - it happened.

http://www.polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=404:last-great-charge-of-the-polish-cavalry&catid=93:historiapolish-history&Itemid=329

For our sacrifices, for our victories, for our countless dead, we were portioned apart without a say in the matter, divided between the victors of WW2, pawned off by Churchill to Stalin and sold into de-facto slavery under the heel of communism for the next fifty years to suffer countless atrocities and wholesale exterminations. Up yours, allies.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.09.01 01:13:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 01/09/2009 01:00:21
It's funny - most people are content to joke about dumb Polacks and their submarines with the screen doors on 'em - but I really wonder what the world would look like without the contributions of Polish flyers during the Battle of Britain (google Kosciuszko Squadron) or the fact that Poles broke the Enigma cypher. The British love claiming credit for both of these, yet without the Polish, Britain would have burned. The fierce resistance put up during the invasion of Poland delayed any further German action in the West until 1940, allowing the Euro allies priceless time to prepare.

Read this. It's the tale of a Polish cavalryman. These are the guys you might have heard joked about for being stupid and charging German tanks on horseback. Joke all you want - it happened.

http://www.polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=404:last-great-charge-of-the-polish-cavalry&catid=93:historiapolish-history&Itemid=329

For our sacrifices, for our victories, for our countless dead, we were portioned apart without a say in the matter, divided between the victors of WW2, pawned off by Churchill to Stalin and sold into de-facto slavery under the heel of communism for the next fifty years to suffer countless atrocities and wholesale exterminations. Up yours, allies.


And yet someone said no politics. Well, now you've killed the thread.

Uncarian
The Littlest Hobos
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2009.09.01 01:36:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Uncarian on 01/09/2009 01:37:01
Well it is true, most western historians have neglected mentioning sacrifices from the allied-aligned countries in eastern europes for decades.

Since the war started in Poland on this day, 70 years ago, I think what Istvaan said was worth mentioning. But of course with some reservations.

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 01/09/2009 01:00:21
It's funny - most people are content to joke about dumb Polacks and their submarines with the screen doors on 'em - but I really wonder what the world would look like without the contributions of Polish flyers during the Battle of Britain (google Kosciuszko Squadron) or the fact that Poles broke the Enigma cypher. The British love claiming credit for both of these, yet without the Polish, Britain would have burned. The fierce resistance put up during the invasion of Poland delayed any further German action in the West until 1940, allowing the Euro allies priceless time to prepare.



It's worth mentioning that the Polish air squadrons weren't entirely made up of poles- they had volunteer americans, canadians etc. Also the pilot with the most hits during the Battle of Britain was a czech.

True, 3 polish mathematicians from the Warsawa university broke the Enigma cypher after polish agents broke in to a factory producing an enhanced version of the machine. But without Ultra it couldn't be cracked that fast.

Quote:

Read this. It's the tale of a Polish cavalryman. These are the guys you might have heard joked about for being stupid and charging German tanks on horseback. Joke all you want - it happened.

http://www.polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=404:last-great-charge-of-the-polish-cavalry&catid=93:historiapolish-history&Itemid=329



Just a clarification, they didn't charge with swords like **** propaganda told, but they had anti-tank rifles that easily could knock out light armored vehicles and light tanks at the start of the war. Even so the actions both helped german and polish morale, on one side for sillyness on the other side for heroism.

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For our sacrifices, for our victories, for our countless dead, we were portioned apart without a say in the matter, divided between the victors of WW2, pawned off by Churchill to Stalin and sold into de-facto slavery under the heel of communism for the next fifty years to suffer countless atrocities and wholesale exterminations. Up yours, allies.


Indeed, the polish problem during and after ww2 was a sad part of history. Most of the east front and east europe should get more mention. It was there the war in europe was won, which many historians will agree on.

Arvald
Caldari
Drunken Space Irish
Posted - 2009.09.01 02:07:00 - [6]
 


Thorliaron
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.09.01 02:21:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Thorliaron on 01/09/2009 02:21:50
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 01/09/2009 01:00:21
It's funny - most people are content to joke about dumb Polacks and their submarines with the screen doors on 'em - but I really wonder what the world would look like without the contributions of Polish flyers during the Battle of Britain (google Kosciuszko Squadron) or the fact that Poles broke the Enigma cypher. The British love claiming credit for both of these, yet without the Polish, Britain would have burned. The fierce resistance put up during the invasion of Poland delayed any further German action in the West until 1940, allowing the Euro allies priceless time to prepare.

Read this. It's the tale of a Polish cavalryman. These are the guys you might have heard joked about for being stupid and charging German tanks on horseback. Joke all you want - it happened.

http://www.polishnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=404:last-great-charge-of-the-polish-cavalry&catid=93:historiapolish-history&Itemid=329

For our sacrifices, for our victories, for our countless dead, we were portioned apart without a say in the matter, divided between the victors of WW2, pawned off by Churchill to Stalin and sold into de-facto slavery under the heel of communism for the next fifty years to suffer countless atrocities and wholesale exterminations. Up yours, allies.


So? according to most american's they soloed the entire German army ( their main divisions where not east dealing with a bear apparently), d-day was all them etc etc

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2009.09.01 03:00:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Thorliaron

So? according to most american's they soloed the entire German army ( their main divisions where not east dealing with a bear apparently), d-day was all them etc etc


..which brings me to my next point kids. Don't smoke crack troll.

Gautan Virdamot
Nebula Rasa Vanguard
Posted - 2009.09.01 03:19:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Gautan Virdamot on 01/09/2009 03:21:55
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Thorliaron

So? according to most american's they soloed the entire German army ( their main divisions where not east dealing with a bear apparently), d-day was all them etc etc


..which brings me to my next point kids. Don't smoke crack troll.


It's a fact that 75% of the german forces were tied down on the eastern front. I'm sure the germans and everyone in western Europe was/is happy the allied forces did their part though. We would however not be speaking german by now, that ship sailed once Adolf decided to take on the USSR before he had defeated the UK.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.09.01 13:34:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Gautan Virdamot
Edited by: Gautan Virdamot on 01/09/2009 03:21:55
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Thorliaron

So? according to most american's they soloed the entire German army ( their main divisions where not east dealing with a bear apparently), d-day was all them etc etc


..which brings me to my next point kids. Don't smoke crack troll.


It's a fact that 75% of the german forces were tied down on the eastern front. I'm sure the germans and everyone in western Europe was/is happy the allied forces did their part though. We would however not be speaking german by now, that ship sailed once Adolf decided to take on the USSR before he had defeated the UK.


Simulations highly suggest that ****** would never have been able to take the British Isle, even if hadn't taken on Russia.

Cing Liberdanis
Posted - 2009.09.01 14:02:00 - [11]
 

We all knew where this was going to go before it even went there. Neutral

ceaon
Posted - 2009.09.01 14:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin
Simulations highly suggest that ****** would never have been able to take the British Isle, even if hadn't taken on Russia.

other say that ****** needed one more year to get atomic bomb ready

Uncarian
The Littlest Hobos
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2009.09.01 16:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Xen Gin
Simulations highly suggest that ****** would never have been able to take the British Isle, even if hadn't taken on Russia.

other say that ****** needed one more year to get atomic bomb ready


This is false, after the war in europe, the german scientists realized that they weren't even remotely close. Didn't help that half the top scientists on the research field fled to the US in 1933.

Gautan Virdamot
Nebula Rasa Vanguard
Posted - 2009.09.01 19:14:00 - [14]
 

Yes because simulations are reality and take all variables into account.

Let's just acknowledge the effort of a nation left uncredited whilst others blew their own horn every chance they got.

I've heard of a garrison in Danzig being under siege before but never actually knew what the place was, myth may well have it the Westerplatte and Hel merged into a larger than life story, as if it needed to.

Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.01 19:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
yet without the Polish, Britain would have burned.


I always find this type of reasoning hilarious.
"We contributed greatly" is an entirely separate statement from "Our contribution was critical".

Who knows what would have happened if they hadn't. Their shoes would probably have been filled by someone else though.

Nol Agnot
Nightwatch Immortal
Posted - 2009.09.04 01:22:00 - [16]
 

It's been a polish week. I want to watch the movie the battle scenes are from in Sabatons official 40-1 video. What movie is that?

Official Video

Actual Battle


Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2009.09.04 02:24:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 04/09/2009 02:25:47
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
yet without the Polish, Britain would have burned.


I always find this type of reasoning hilarious.
"We contributed greatly" is an entirely separate statement from "Our contribution was critical".

Who knows what would have happened if they hadn't. Their shoes would probably have been filled by someone else though.


You find it hilarious because you're probably from either the U.S. or Great Britain, and were raised to view the sacrifices of your fighting men as the greatest sacrifices during the war, and your heroism unmatched. You find it hilarious because you see yourselves as the guys whose contribution was "critical," rather than the guys who merely "contributed greatly," like us inconsequential eastern europeans.

Except you guys lost a few hundred thousand soldiers. Poland was nearly annihilated. Almost 20% of our nation's entire population was erased from existence. Still we fought, tooth and nail, without the aid of the technology that carried the western allied forces, only to be sold off as an expendable culture.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.09.04 03:21:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/09/2009 03:22:41
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 04/09/2009 02:25:47
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
yet without the Polish, Britain would have burned.


I always find this type of reasoning hilarious.
"We contributed greatly" is an entirely separate statement from "Our contribution was critical".

Who knows what would have happened if they hadn't. Their shoes would probably have been filled by someone else though.


You find it hilarious because you're probably from either the U.S. or Great Britain, and were raised to view the sacrifices of your fighting men as the greatest sacrifices during the war, and your heroism unmatched. You find it hilarious because you see yourselves as the guys whose contribution was "critical," rather than the guys who merely "contributed greatly," like us inconsequential eastern europeans.

Except you guys lost a few hundred thousand soldiers. Poland was nearly annihilated. Almost 20% of our nation's entire population was erased from existence. Still we fought, tooth and nail, without the aid of the technology that carried the western allied forces, only to be sold off as an expendable culture.


I'd bring up Darwin, but somehow you might explode with rage. I could also have said, wouldn't it have been easier to give the Germans their town back? Rather than start a war?

Nol Agnot
Nightwatch Immortal
Posted - 2009.09.04 03:58:00 - [19]
 

Like giving up Sudetenland saved Prag? Stop spouting flames without a leg to stand on.

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2009.09.04 09:41:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 01/09/2009 01:00:21
charging German tanks on horseback.


I know, its atrocious isnt it, such un-necassary death.

I mean those poor horses, the RSPCA would be appauled, they cld've at least made some decent glue.

But hay, thats hayroic.

Vaden Khale
Amarr
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.09.04 12:28:00 - [21]
 

I'm going to have to agree with Istvaan that the Poles got royally ****ed over. Not only that, but balls of steel to fight tooth and nail against near insurmountable odds to defend your country. Not like those *** Frenchies who we had to save, again...

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.09.04 13:14:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Tiny Tove on 04/09/2009 13:14:00
There are plenty of countries who sat there thinking "World War? Is that what it's called when white men export their violence to every place they can possibly get it?"

It's the next generation of wars that I'm most interested in. The last ones were about power, the current ones are about securing energy resources, the next ones will be about securing food and water resources.

It's not until you reach immediate starvation and break down of civilisation do things get really interesting.
You can't nuke a place that you need for food and water, but genocide will be your only option. How do you make that case at home? Well obviously the people at home will need to approve of the genocide, but in order to sleep at night, they're going to need a really good cover story. And "They hate your freedom" is the best corker we've heard so far, it will be supreme what they manage next... "They hate your favourite website" or "They hate your iPods"... something that will really get the locals fired up and accepting of quite literally any atrocity commited in their name.

It's going to be fun for all the family. As long as it's brown people dying, thousands of miles away from where I live so I can't hear their screams or see them burning on my censored TV.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.09.04 13:21:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/09/2009 13:21:19
Originally by: Nol Agnot
Like giving up Sudetenland saved Prag? Stop spouting flames without a leg to stand on.


That's just stupid, turn it around and you can get not giving up Danzig, is what possibly got it and almost the rest of Europe destroyed.

Cardiana
Posted - 2009.09.04 13:24:00 - [24]
 

question: who owns m31 (andromeda)?

Cardiana
Posted - 2009.09.04 13:30:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Cardiana on 04/09/2009 13:30:47
so i was thinking yellow gummibears but then there are also red gummibears living.
with the green gummibears coming aswell now i am completly confused on who owns m31.

someone help me please im so confused. Crying or Very sad



Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.09.04 13:35:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cardiana
Edited by: Cardiana on 04/09/2009 13:30:47
so i was thinking yellow gummibears but then there are also red gummibears living.
with the green gummibears coming aswell now i am completly confused on who owns m31.

someone help me please im so confused. Crying or Very sad





Carebears.

Nol Agnot
Nightwatch Immortal
Posted - 2009.09.04 14:24:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Nol Agnot on 04/09/2009 14:39:38
Originally by: Xen Gin
Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/09/2009 13:21:19
Originally by: Nol Agnot
Like giving up Sudetenland saved Prag? Stop spouting flames without a leg to stand on.


That's just stupid, turn it around and you can get not giving up Danzig, is what possibly got it and almost the rest of Europe destroyed.


Yes giving bullies what they want stops them from coming back again. Are you the bubble boy? Shocked


Anyone on what movie those scenes are from in the Sabaton video? I seriously doubt they have a budget to make even the most rudamentary wartime video actually shooting those scenes themselves.

Cardiana
Posted - 2009.09.04 14:53:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Cardiana
Edited by: Cardiana on 04/09/2009 13:30:47
so i was thinking yellow gummibears but then there are also red gummibears living.
with the green gummibears coming aswell now i am completly confused on who owns m31.

someone help me please im so confused. Crying or Very sad





Carebears.


thats right. thats perfectly right. we have a winner. Very Happy

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.09.04 15:06:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/09/2009 15:06:32
Originally by: Nol Agnot
Edited by: Nol Agnot on 04/09/2009 14:39:38
Originally by: Xen Gin
Edited by: Xen Gin on 04/09/2009 13:21:19
Originally by: Nol Agnot
Like giving up Sudetenland saved Prag? Stop spouting flames without a leg to stand on.


That's just stupid, turn it around and you can get not giving up Danzig, is what possibly got it and almost the rest of Europe destroyed.


Yes giving bullies what they want stops them from coming back again. Are you the bubble boy? Shocked


And yet we almost destroyed ourselves beating them back to where they came, but oh no Poland had to suffer the indignation of 45 years of Soviet Rule. What did you want Britain to do? Take on the Russians straight after ******?

azeral kulik
Amarr
Posted - 2009.09.04 15:39:00 - [30]
 

evryone did there part the polish and dare i say it the french resistance.
dont know why your arguing though because its all in the past the ****'s are gone.


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