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Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Posted - 2009.09.12 00:31:00 - [121]
 

Yeah, I agree. Honestly, I do understand that they painted themselves into a corner, and that it'll be a bear to get out of it. Yet, it seems that every suggestion gets things worse. Almost like they are over thinking the problem.

You know, this is starting to act like they are at the dawn of doing a major re-work on the entire Minmatar design philosphy. Classically, Minmatar have been Active shield tankers, and the Minmatar specific certificates bear that out.. so, for them to force an armor tank on a Fleet Tempest is probably indicative that some major mind resets are going on. Same with the new Fleet Typhoon as well as the Republic Firetail. None of the old rules are being followed by CCP very closely... though what rules they are using seem to be pretty hazy, or hazy from our standpoint.

Naim Obeji
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.09.12 08:48:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Naim Obeji on 12/09/2009 08:50:33
Originally by: Ecky X
Edited by: Ecky X on 04/09/2009 00:43:56
Originally by: Bomberlocks


Some caveats though: I don't see the need to reduce the Minnie long range ammos damage (Carbonised Lead, Titanium Sabot, Proton etc), since they are about the only counter that Minnies have in long range engagements with Caldari, for instance (unless you want to really use tremor, which wasn't even mentioned here, because just about no one uses it because its dps is so anemic).



Erm, you do realize that Tremor does more damage than Proton, Nuclear, and Carbonized lead, right?

Ammos other than phased plasma, EMP, and fusion, + T2 long range are rarely used, for good reason. Minmatar long range ammos do more damage than other races, but Astro is suggesting that all minmatar ammos are moved 1 "damage level" toward close-range, since nobody uses long range ammos.


Really? No one uses them? Flying my muninns, I quite often use the longer ranged faction ammos instead of tremor. The tracking penalty on tremor is prohibitive in my view. I only used tremor when I needed the range it gave. I guess in my mind, a greater chance of tracking the target and hitting was better than a tad more damage if you did hit with tremor. At the higher ranges (100km+), it's less of a problem, but under 100km, I tended to use faction nuclear in the mid-ranges and then, of course, faction phased plasma in the lower ranges.





Ahimsaka
Minmatar
Baptism oF Fire
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2009.09.12 16:37:00 - [123]
 

Got my vote.

AngryMusheen
Minmatar
Can We Haz Your Stuff
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2009.09.12 17:59:00 - [124]
 

I've always been Minmitar and i like this idea. I've got all the base and complementary skills to fly Vaga/Munin and already fly a Maelstrom so I'm definitely ok with some changes.

Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Posted - 2009.09.14 15:58:00 - [125]
 

Making sure this post keeps its attention

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.14 16:08:00 - [126]
 

Bump!

Sophie Malaster
Heavy industries Shinohara
ARTESANOS
Posted - 2009.09.14 18:37:00 - [127]
 

Supported. I like very much the min race and their guns suck a bit.

Saerynn
Lost Intentions

Posted - 2009.09.14 19:23:00 - [128]
 

Long overdue for some Matar lovin', and these are reasonable suggestions.

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2009.09.14 20:53:00 - [129]
 

Yep and decrease all matar ships speed and increase their signatures too. Also make projectiles use as much cap as hybrids.Plus increase autocannons fitting requriments.


Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Posted - 2009.09.14 23:10:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Naomi Knight
Yep and decrease all matar ships speed and increase their signatures too. Also make projectiles use as much cap as hybrids.Plus increase autocannons fitting requriments.


Hmm...

Naomi Knight.. Troll
Score: -1/10

Reason: Noob Corp, Old and discredited arguments, clear lack of attempt of any original thought, No reasoning as to why, Failed attempt at sarcasm because of complete lack of effort in reading.

Roland Thorne
Minmatar
Jian Products Engineering Group
Posted - 2009.09.14 23:14:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Roland Thorne on 14/09/2009 23:15:32
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Yep and decrease all matar ships speed and increase their signatures too. Also make projectiles use as much cap as hybrids.Plus increase autocannons fitting requriments.




Nah, I say decrease amarr ship's PG and slots so they can only gank or tank, then decrease their optimal so they are dependant on falloff in every fight, then split most their ships so they have to use missiles AND lasers.

Edit: Dang, I bit didn't I lol

Ceme
Posted - 2009.09.15 04:22:00 - [132]
 

Wow....
At least there's thought and logic to those ideas.

I'd actually enjoy flying my native race again.

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Posted - 2009.09.15 06:09:00 - [133]
 

+1
Some projectile and some minmatar ship need little changes, because they are very weak compared to some other ships and weapons.

Hun Jakuza
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2009.09.15 06:14:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Roland Thorne
Edited by: Roland Thorne on 14/09/2009 23:15:32
Originally by: Naomi Knight
Yep and decrease all matar ships speed and increase their signatures too. Also make projectiles use as much cap as hybrids.Plus increase autocannons fitting requriments.




Nah, I say decrease amarr ship's PG and slots so they can only gank or tank, then decrease their optimal so they are dependant on falloff in every fight, then split most their ships so they have to use missiles AND lasers.

Edit: Dang, I bit didn't I lol


+ cargo hold, because not need +20 cap booster to empty bay, increase ammo loading time to 10 sec too, decrease tracking and low slot numbers :D

But i'm just joking, but Naomi a troll leave his stupidities out of consideration.

Acid Flipper
Sock Robbers Inc.

Posted - 2009.09.15 08:40:00 - [135]
 

signed!

Sappho Ajhannis
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.09.15 20:27:00 - [136]
 

Signed.

CombatSmurf
Drunken Wookies
Posted - 2009.09.16 21:42:00 - [137]
 

!

Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Posted - 2009.09.18 18:08:00 - [138]
 

I am bringing this back up to the front of the line again, especially since the proposed changes to the Navy Tempest and the new Navy Typhoon are not very good, and in the case of the Navy Tempest, is just.. unbelieveable how bad of a idea this is.

Ni Nee
Posted - 2009.09.18 18:20:00 - [139]
 

Much needed change.

Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Posted - 2009.09.19 15:54:00 - [140]
 

Until we see the changes that CCP makes to projectiles and the Minmatar ship lineup, I will push this back for everyone to take a stab at it.

Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Posted - 2009.09.22 15:35:00 - [141]
 

Resubmitting, because this:

Originally by: CCP
The description of the Minmatar Tech I battleships has had its grammar and spelling fixed.


Should not be the Minmatar fix.

Orakkus
Minmatar
m3 Corp
Posted - 2009.09.23 17:29:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: CCP
Finally


As CCP is truly working on this.. I will no longer post this anymore.

Thank you one and all for working with me in trying to get this pushed to the forefront.

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2009.09.23 18:12:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Orakkus
Originally by: CCP
Finally


As CCP is truly working on this.. I will no longer post this anymore.

Thank you one and all for working with me in trying to get this pushed to the forefront.


ShockedVery Happy

I'd like to see them address hit quality, but otherwise I'm pretty stoked. Woot! Very Happy

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2009.09.23 19:01:00 - [144]
 

Honestly, I'm pretty stoked regardless of hit quality.

-Liang

PMSing
North Eastern Swat
Posted - 2009.09.24 02:51:00 - [145]
 

Hiya Astro! Cool

xGradiusx
Minmatar
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.09.24 03:36:00 - [146]
 

aye to the minmatar race! YARRRR!!

Admiral Seeley
Posted - 2009.09.24 03:38:00 - [147]
 

x me up scotty!

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2009.09.24 22:56:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Orakkus
I recieved a reply from one of the CSMs, Omber Zombie. He stated that CCP was in fact looking at projectiles and Minmatar ships.. He felt that he thus didn't need to bring it up as an issue at the CSM meeting.

I replied essentially that I certainly hope so.. however, if they do to the Minmatar what they did to Fleet Issue Tempest..



I think it should be brought up regardless, otherwise we're going to see a "+50% clip size for artillery" - all done! I seriously doubt ccp recognizes the severity and depth of issues that projectiles have - some of their posts re tempest and vagabond really makes me scratch my head.
I have to agree on this. CCP almost never follows player requests, even very well thought out and discussed ones such as this, but rather their own idiosyncratic logic, and my biggest fear is that CCP will do something like the Falcon nerf in the form of one element being improved, such as the +50% arty clip size (although this alone would be a good start).

CCP have consistently disregarded the Minnie BSes and large projectiles over several years now, while other FOTMs come and go.

Wen Atta
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.09.28 21:22:00 - [149]
 

signed YARRRR!!

Beowulf scot
Sebiestor Tribe

Posted - 2009.09.28 21:57:00 - [150]
 

This has my Support. Very Happy


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