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Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.25 18:09:00 - [61]


I love when CCP is aware of a loophole, implements a policy against exploiting it, then changes their mind without telling anyone and without fixing the loophole.

Consistency was never CCP's strong point tbh.

General Minos
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.08.25 20:36:00 - [62]

Not much else needed to be said, supported.

Posted - 2009.08.26 01:14:00 - [63]


Zaisig Murakk
Merch Industrial
Posted - 2009.08.26 01:28:00 - [64]

Supporting this.

Zaisig Murakk
Merch Industrial
Posted - 2009.08.26 01:28:00 - [65]

welp forgot to actually sipport

Neo Koki
Posted - 2009.08.26 05:44:00 - [66]


CCP please do the right thing and fix this loophole. Risk free empire POS by abusing game mechanics is wrong.

Nota Ero
Gr0und Zer0
Posted - 2009.08.26 07:09:00 - [67]

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Posted - 2009.08.26 07:41:00 - [68]


Peasant John
Posted - 2009.08.26 09:41:00 - [69]


Anna Martinov
Hek Frozen Industries
Posted - 2009.08.26 10:06:00 - [70]

ToonS Goldstein
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.08.29 01:44:00 - [71]


Posted - 2009.08.29 09:28:00 - [72]

Edited by: Saithe on 29/08/2009 09:30:30
This is like saying Country A declares war against Country B, so Country B joins forces with Countries C, D, and E. Now, Country A can no longer shoot Country B, nor can they shoot Country C, D, or E.

There needs to be a permanently temporary timer on wardecs. For example, lets say Alliance A declares war against Alliance B on 8/20/2009 20:00. From that day until the day the wardec ends, EVERY member corp of the alliance at that specific time is affected, even if a member corp of Alliance B leaves. Subsequently, every new member corp that joins the alliance has instant access to the wardec after 24 hours.

Lets look at a different scenario. Alliance/Corporation A delcares war against CORPORATION B. Corporation B decides to join an alliance to dodge the dec. To solve this, no matter where Corporation B goes, the wardec affects then for the duration of the dec. If they do join an alliance, after the first week of war goes against Corporation B, Corporation A would then have to wardec the Alliance.

I get extremely ****ed off when a corporation dodges a wardec.

I SoStoned
Posted - 2009.08.29 09:29:00 - [73]

As I've said for years... war declarations should flag each and every individual pilot in an alliance/corp.
Corp jumps alliance, war sticks with them.
Player jumps corp, war sticks with them (though does not escalate to their new corp... but new corp members can assist after the new member comes under attack by his legitimate war opponents).
Either way, once the initial war duration expires the corp/player flags terminate and they have to be declared against individually as entities (corp/alliance).

Now, as for these join/jump exploiters, in the short term this can be fixed easily by CCP:
Petition filed. GM examines petition, examines Corp's behavior, and deems it to be a purposeful alliance dodge, and initiates an immediate declaration of war from the original declarer to the jumper. No time duration to wait out, no need for the petitioning corp to vote again.
If the corp continues to do this their CEO faces a possible ban... or, simply enough, all of the corp's POSs are immediately put offline.

Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.08.31 12:09:00 - [74]

Sex Money Guns
Posted - 2009.08.31 12:46:00 - [75]

War dec mechanics are a total mess and need reworking. Ways to avoid war decs need to be closed.

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2009.08.31 13:51:00 - [76]

GoGo inconsistency. This clearly is an exploit and should be handled that way. Plug those damn holes.

I so hope for a overhaul of the wardec mechanics. But then again I'm not sure if CCP might make it worse (as in carebearish). Confused

Psi Klone
Posted - 2009.09.02 22:10:00 - [77]

Implement this idea immediately. This can make empire wars against a reluctant party almost impossible.

Oh Takashawa
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.09.03 16:13:00 - [78]

Fully supported.

Reef Skywalker
Posted - 2009.09.05 11:45:00 - [79]

Captain Baccus
En Garde
Posted - 2009.10.22 01:41:00 - [80]

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2009.10.22 01:53:00 - [81]

Currently if you do this. You get in **** for breaking game mechanics. So meh.

Disposeble Alt
Posted - 2009.10.22 09:07:00 - [82]

Supported, Corps leaving an alliance should get a copy of every active alliance war.

And While I know it would be hard to arrange,
Every corp member leaving a corp with active wars should get something similar to a personal wardec as well.

Crimson Empire.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.10.22 10:58:00 - [83]

Hun Jakuza
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2009.10.22 11:35:00 - [84]


Tiger's Spirit
Posted - 2009.10.22 11:36:00 - [85]


Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.11.16 01:05:00 - [86]

Edited by: LlamaOfDoom on 16/11/2009 01:05:44
Friendly bump to keep this on the minds of the Eve Devs and new CSM candidates.

Posted - 2009.11.16 01:27:00 - [87]

Originally by: Xing Fey
Fully supported!

The 8th Order
Posted - 2009.11.16 13:32:00 - [88]


Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2009.11.29 16:14:00 - [89]


I SoStoned
Posted - 2009.11.29 19:25:00 - [90]

Whole lotta thumbs up, but zero movement or even a vote in the last... er... any CSM meetings.

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