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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.08.19 18:46:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Steve Thomas on 19/08/2009 18:47:12
sooo I think its time for the wild speculation to hit the MD forums, After all when the Dust hits the fan were going to need to supply the demand for the stuff that the Consol tar. . . er Valued Customers need!

so what do you predict?

will the current Trad good guns be what we ship or will we have new millitary guns and ammo?

Will Existing Drones be used for close air suport or will we need specialised Ground Attack drones.

Will there be real demand for body armor or will power armor be whats hot?

and what about melee weapons.

will we also get specialise troop ships (Cruiser hull, Frigate guns but the ability to drop and suport a fully equiped army?, Drop ships? and so on?)

and will we need to provide food houseing (new POS modules) and entertainment for all of thoes troops???


Stela'Artois
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.08.19 19:10:00 - [2]
 

Not sure...but we will probably need more cowbell.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.08.19 19:19:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Stela'Artois
Not sure...but we will probably need more cowbell.
God Im glad Im not the only one who thought "ok they cant posible be refering to the Cowbell" with the name. I thought I was going mental

Marko box
Caldari
Targeted Aggression
Posted - 2009.08.19 19:45:00 - [4]
 

I have been reading some articles on dust 514 and i found this:
"it's linked with EVE Online, CCP's sophisticated science fiction space-trading game." LaughingLaughingShocked

Heres the article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/170363/gdc_new_ccp_dust_514_console_mmo_to_feed_eve_online.html/

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2009.08.19 20:36:00 - [5]
 

Wtf? They develop a first player shooter MMO game that's linked to Eve Online and is only for console?

Eve Online might grow even more if it had include first player shooter element on station, ships or even planets and they develop it for ****ing console??

Companion Qube
Minmatar
Electron Conservation Inc
SRS.
Posted - 2009.08.19 22:26:00 - [6]
 

That article left out the most important piece of info surrounding Dust 514.

Will I be able to nuke random FPS players from orbit?

Nemi Lethal
Gallente
DarkStar Armada
Posted - 2009.08.19 22:36:00 - [7]
 

I think the industrial aspects of this "Exspansion" if you wanna call it that are fantastic, I hope CCP follows up with some details on how the two economies will fit together.

From my point of view things like weaponry, vehicles etc are going to be finite and we will have to regularly replenish our fighting forces equipment. If they go ahead and allow us to craft that equipment I think its going to work out just great.

Snasty
Caldari
The Hippies
The Bohemians
Posted - 2009.08.20 00:57:00 - [8]
 

I like the idea of being able to transport console playing tards in my ship, entering a WH, safe spotting and ejecting...!

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2009.08.20 01:12:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Companion Qube
That article left out the most important piece of info surrounding Dust 514.

Will I be able to nuke random FPS players from orbit?


Now THAT would make me overlook my little issue with the FPS portion of the game

Dennmoth Ferdier
Posted - 2009.08.20 01:18:00 - [10]
 

That kinda stuff isn't realistic at all.

They're not actually morphing two games to one overlapping entity.

I can say with 98% certainty, that we won't be able to interact directly with DUST at all. Seriously, it's a totally different game, in all forms and aspects.

How do you guys envision, a ship that we fly here and now, to suddenly morph in to a 3D FPS environment and land on a planet to drop off troops?

How do you imagine you fly to a planet and start bombadring people in an FPS environment that EVE isn't built for at all? Eve is an apple, DUST is an orange no you can't have apploranges.

There will be a monetary connection, perhaps a contract related connection as well. The games will communicate through overlapping servers that forward information on changes. You give a contract to DUST players in EVE, DUST players go do their thing in DUST, servers forward contract, isk, and planetary information.

I think we can all quite safely assume EVE players will stay eve players and DUST players will be DUST players. EVE players won't be joining DUST players or the other way around.

Not only is it such a huge undertaking to change a game EVE is now, in to an FPS supporting environment, but you also have to take in to account that DUST isn't, and can't be just a supportive game, it has to be a game that draws players in it's own right.

That means that the gameplay can't rely heavily on EVE-online. The players have to be able to be able to have ease of access to fighting when ever they want, much like any other FPS game out there, they won't want to sit and wait for someone to haul them. They will hit join server and get to killing.

They neither can be dependable on gun or ammo, or air support stuff from EVE online, not only is it way too undependable in the scale that EVE is, but it's also butt ass boring for DUST players.

I say DUST will be DUST, an FPS, and EVE-online will be EVE-online, an spaceflying MMO. So lets not wet our panties here. Too much expectations is only going to let you down in the end.

Brock Nelson
Posted - 2009.08.20 02:05:00 - [11]
 

True but didn't CCP already said that they were planning on adding FPS element to Eve sometime in the future?

Tm of course...

sthymj
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.08.20 05:58:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
That kinda stuff isn't realistic at all.

They're not actually morphing two games to one overlapping entity.

I can say with 98% certainty, that we won't be able to interact directly with DUST at all. Seriously, it's a totally different game, in all forms and aspects.

How do you guys envision, a ship that we fly here and now, to suddenly morph in to a 3D FPS environment and land on a planet to drop off troops?

How do you imagine you fly to a planet and start bombadring people in an FPS environment that EVE isn't built for at all? Eve is an apple, DUST is an orange no you can't have apploranges.

There will be a monetary connection, perhaps a contract related connection as well. The games will communicate through overlapping servers that forward information on changes. You give a contract to DUST players in EVE, DUST players go do their thing in DUST, servers forward contract, isk, and planetary information.

I think we can all quite safely assume EVE players will stay eve players and DUST players will be DUST players. EVE players won't be joining DUST players or the other way around.

Not only is it such a huge undertaking to change a game EVE is now, in to an FPS supporting environment, but you also have to take in to account that DUST isn't, and can't be just a supportive game, it has to be a game that draws players in it's own right.

That means that the gameplay can't rely heavily on EVE-online. The players have to be able to be able to have ease of access to fighting when ever they want, much like any other FPS game out there, they won't want to sit and wait for someone to haul them. They will hit join server and get to killing.

They neither can be dependable on gun or ammo, or air support stuff from EVE online, not only is it way too undependable in the scale that EVE is, but it's also butt ass boring for DUST players.

I say DUST will be DUST, an FPS, and EVE-online will be EVE-online, an spaceflying MMO. So lets not wet our panties here. Too much expectations is only going to let you down in the end.


This has to be the most sensible comment i've heard about Dust so far.
Thats not to say that we dont get to trade in the things Dust players might use, but they certainly wont be reliant on us delivering.

Baillif
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2009.08.20 16:05:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Brock Nelson
Originally by: Companion Qube
That article left out the most important piece of info surrounding Dust 514.

Will I be able to nuke random FPS players from orbit?


Now THAT would make me overlook my little issue with the FPS portion of the game


Somehow I doubt they would ever let us do that but it would be awesome. I could see it now, a bunch of punk-ass 14 year olds would be screaming bloody murder on xbox live because we keep WTFBBQSAUCEPWNING them from orbit every time they respawn just for lulz.

Future Mutant
Republic Military School
Posted - 2009.08.20 16:44:00 - [14]
 

Anyone figure out what 514 means yet?

Ta'jek
Angels Of Death EVE
Free Worlds Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.20 17:06:00 - [15]
 

Nuking them from orbit would be highly amusing... just think of all the opportunities to teach them about being scammed...

Cruel Sculpture
Posted - 2009.08.20 17:17:00 - [16]
 

As a quick thought into the thing: Amarr would be OP, correct? EG never ending machine gun fire unless you change batteries or something.

Havok Pierce
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2009.08.20 18:25:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Cruel Sculpture
As a quick thought into the thing: Amarr would be OP, correct? EG never ending machine gun fire unless you change batteries or something.


Given the nature of lasers, I'd suspect that battery-changes will be just as frequent as anything else (given that you don't have a starship reactor to recharge the capacitor). Also, I suspect that most of the DUST armament will be projectile-based (it just works on those scales, and from a physics standpoint, you run into issues firing lazors in atmosphere, and railguns tend to be big).

I still would love to perform an orbital bombardment, but that's because it's so completely overpowered and god-like to be fitting for a capsuleer.

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.08.20 18:25:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Steve Thomas on 20/08/2009 18:42:14
Edited by: Steve Thomas on 20/08/2009 18:42:02
Originally by: Marko box
I have been reading some articles on dust 514 and i found this:
"it's linked with EVE Online, CCP's sophisticated science fiction space-trading game." LaughingLaughingShocked


Given that the current "loss rate" from pvp is one ship per 50 subs per day and Exhumers being the most commoly flown T2/3 ships I would say its very accurate to call this a Space Trading Game.

Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.08.20 21:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Future Mutant
Anyone figure out what 514 means yet?


My best guesses are either a tie back to some obscure date in the lore, or a reference to a moon (Planet V, Moon 14, as pilots are apt to refer to moons and belts in a system).

Qi Teuf
Focused Fire
Posted - 2009.08.20 22:36:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Qi Teuf on 20/08/2009 22:57:10
Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
That kinda stuff isn't realistic at all.

They're not actually morphing two games to one overlapping entity.

I can say with 98% certainty, that we won't be able to interact directly with DUST at all. Seriously, it's a totally different game, in all forms and aspects.

How do you guys envision, a ship that we fly here and now, to suddenly morph in to a 3D FPS environment and land on a planet to drop off troops?

How do you imagine you fly to a planet and start bombadring people in an FPS environment that EVE isn't built for at all? Eve is an apple, DUST is an orange no you can't have apploranges.

There will be a monetary connection, perhaps a contract related connection as well. The games will communicate through overlapping servers that forward information on changes. You give a contract to DUST players in EVE, DUST players go do their thing in DUST, servers forward contract, isk, and planetary information.

I think we can all quite safely assume EVE players will stay eve players and DUST players will be DUST players. EVE players won't be joining DUST players or the other way around.

Not only is it such a huge undertaking to change a game EVE is now, in to an FPS supporting environment, but you also have to take in to account that DUST isn't, and can't be just a supportive game, it has to be a game that draws players in it's own right.

That means that the gameplay can't rely heavily on EVE-online. The players have to be able to be able to have ease of access to fighting when ever they want, much like any other FPS game out there, they won't want to sit and wait for someone to haul them. They will hit join server and get to killing.

They neither can be dependable on gun or ammo, or air support stuff from EVE online, not only is it way too undependable in the scale that EVE is, but it's also butt ass boring for DUST players.

I say DUST will be DUST, an FPS, and EVE-online will be EVE-online, an spaceflying MMO. So lets not wet our panties here. Too much expectations is only going to let you down in the end.


You land in a station, and then take an elevator down. It is very possible to have the 2 games mix. They already use multiple servers for the the universe. I'm not sure how hard it would be to use more servers to host the planetary fighting, and then it is as easy as using a loading screen to go from space to planetside.

I don't want a CS style FPS, but a first person planetside strategy game would be cool.

Edit - Oh and as per the chronicles all Pilots should be seen as the Elite, where the FPS crowd are our minions. Twisted Evil

Topless Trader
Gallente
Hashimoto Corporation
Posted - 2009.08.20 23:40:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Qi Teuf

Edit - Oh and as per the chronicles all Pilots should be seen as the Elite, where the FPS crowd are our minions. Twisted Evil
This. Any git with a gun can be a soldier; it takes specialized training and inherent tolerances to pilot a starship.

Victor Michaelle
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.21 00:17:00 - [22]
 

Here's a theory:
Dust players start out in the employ of the empires, fighting on a set of lowsec planets where there is battle regardless of what Eve players do (though faction warfare would probably be linked to it somehow). Additionally, there would be the option of becoming a mercenary hired and supplied by Eve Players, fighting on planets out in 0.0 space.

Cruel Sculpture
Posted - 2009.08.21 00:26:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Havok Pierce
Originally by: Cruel Sculpture
As a quick thought into the thing: Amarr would be OP, correct? EG never ending machine gun fire unless you change batteries or something.


Given the nature of lasers, I'd suspect that battery-changes will be just as frequent as anything else (given that you don't have a starship reactor to recharge the capacitor). Also, I suspect that most of the DUST armament will be projectile-based (it just works on those scales, and from a physics standpoint, you run into issues firing lazors in atmosphere, and railguns tend to be big).

I still would love to perform an orbital bombardment, but that's because it's so completely overpowered and god-like to be fitting for a capsuleer.


Super energized lasers can make the air into a plasma which you can send a huge electronic pulse down. What year is this? Hand else versions of pulses may work :D

Else give me slaver dogs or give me slaves as a meat sheild!

Caelum Mortuos
Gallente
Zero G Research and Development
Posted - 2009.08.21 00:32:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Caelum Mortuos on 21/08/2009 00:33:11
Originally by: Topless Trader
Any git with a gun can be a soldier; it takes years of real-time training, and living with the pent up bitterness due to repeated failure from stupid developers to be a spaceship pilot


Fixed that for youCool

Shadow''Broker
Posted - 2009.08.21 06:34:00 - [25]
 

My hypothesis:

CPP creates Dust 514 and works out all the major bugs. They later transfer everything we need to walk around in stations into EVE. We then enjoy walking around in stations without crippling bugs (hopefully) from the start.

Lyris Nairn
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.08.21 13:51:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Victor Michaelle
Here's a theory:
Dust players start out in the employ of the empires, fighting on a set of lowsec planets where there is battle regardless of what Eve players do (though faction warfare would probably be linked to it somehow). Additionally, there would be the option of becoming a mercenary hired and supplied by Eve Players, fighting on planets out in 0.0 space.
And what exactly would that fighting on planets accomplish for the people out in 0.0? I mean... am I going to go hire a bunch of kids with aimbot to kick Goonswarm out of Delve? ugh

Tomoyuki
Gallente
Sen So Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.21 14:45:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Tomoyuki on 21/08/2009 14:49:21
Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier
That kinda stuff isn't realistic at all.

They're not actually morphing two games to one overlapping entity.

I can say with 98% certainty, that we won't be able to interact directly with DUST at all. Seriously, it's a totally different game, in all forms and aspects.

How do you guys envision, a ship that we fly here and now, to suddenly morph in to a 3D FPS environment and land on a planet to drop off troops?

How do you imagine you fly to a planet and start bombadring people in an FPS environment that EVE isn't built for at all? Eve is an apple, DUST is an orange no you can't have apploranges.

There will be a monetary connection, perhaps a contract related connection as well. The games will communicate through overlapping servers that forward information on changes. You give a contract to DUST players in EVE, DUST players go do their thing in DUST, servers forward contract, isk, and planetary information.

I think we can all quite safely assume EVE players will stay eve players and DUST players will be DUST players. EVE players won't be joining DUST players or the other way around.

Not only is it such a huge undertaking to change a game EVE is now, in to an FPS supporting environment, but you also have to take in to account that DUST isn't, and can't be just a supportive game, it has to be a game that draws players in it's own right.

That means that the gameplay can't rely heavily on EVE-online. The players have to be able to be able to have ease of access to fighting when ever they want, much like any other FPS game out there, they won't want to sit and wait for someone to haul them. They will hit join server and get to killing.

They neither can be dependable on gun or ammo, or air support stuff from EVE online, not only is it way too undependable in the scale that EVE is, but it's also butt ass boring for DUST players.

I say DUST will be DUST, an FPS, and EVE-online will be EVE-online, an spaceflying MMO. So lets not wet our panties here. Too much expectations is only going to let you down in the end.


If Eve was an apple an orange that means you are comparing Eve to Halo which is two completely different universes. It has been stated I quote "One Universe one war " so obviously it is not going to be completely different.

Also there should be a manufacturing component to Dust as in we most likely will be producing the weapons and equipment which then alliances then purchase from the market or make their own and they can then contract it to the Dust players. Or they will become trade goods which will have a set price. This has been stated when the guy talked about how it is a two way street where Dust will feed info to Eve servers and Eve will send info back to dust Servers. The other reasoning behind it is that we are contracting them isk so they will most likely purchasing weapons which could be manufactured by us or buy plex. Also Eve market can be pretty dependable as if there is an item that can be profited from I am 99.99% sure there will be at least one producer selling it so you should have no worries there.

As for bombarding from space that sounds stupid and probably will not happen but I am not going to take the route that the person I quoted took and state it is not going to happen. As they just released that Dust 514 has been created and what is the "BASIC GENERAL IDEA" behind it. I caps it because out of all links and threads I saw there is no details so let's not assume shall we?

Also forgot whoever asked why it might be called Dust 514. I read that it has to due with the fact that it is called actually Dust 5-14 and it is said that the 5 is the 5 main races in eve and the 14 is the 14 blood lines.

Edit: we won't be able to enter their side of the universe like flying around in the atmosphere of the planet though or hauling troops literally but will not rule out bombardment as of yet. Also edit for spelling.

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.08.21 14:53:00 - [28]
 

Great... so now we can get the gamefaqs/consolefanboi/halofreaks on here posting and complaining about the price of (insert item here)

Victor Michaelle
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.21 15:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Originally by: Victor Michaelle
Here's a theory:
Dust players start out in the employ of the empires, fighting on a set of lowsec planets where there is battle regardless of what Eve players do (though faction warfare would probably be linked to it somehow). Additionally, there would be the option of becoming a mercenary hired and supplied by Eve Players, fighting on planets out in 0.0 space.
And what exactly would that fighting on planets accomplish for the people out in 0.0? I mean... am I going to go hire a bunch of kids with aimbot to kick Goonswarm out of Delve? ugh


Basicly, yes. Except hopefully there won't be aimbots.

My theory is based on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8PDbU0Fl5k

In it it's said that control of planets will be one of the factors in the eve sovereignity system, and Dust players will do the planetside fighting.

Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.08.21 18:37:00 - [30]
 

I heard they were importing from Halo, so no new markets? Confirmed, denied?


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