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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.08.19 04:16:00 - [61]
 

I like how some people here act like a USB Mouse and Keyboard isnt compatible with the PS3.

Supported anyway - I would like it for the PC, even though I have a PS3.

vixxen Miner
Posted - 2009.08.19 04:24:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
I like how some people here act like a USB Mouse and Keyboard isnt compatible with the PS3.

Supported anyway - I would like it for the PC, even though I have a PS3.


I hope so, I wasn't just acting, I don't own a PS3 so I wouldn't know if you could hook up a keyboard or a mouse. I did know they had USB connections but that could be used for additional storage or a bunch of other things. Although with 80-160gb's is alot of storage.....Any ways if it can I'm game to just switching to a console for both eve and dust. :)

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2009.08.19 04:26:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: vixxen Miner
Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
I like how some people here act like a USB Mouse and Keyboard isnt compatible with the PS3.

Supported anyway - I would like it for the PC, even though I have a PS3.


I hope so, I wasn't just acting, I don't own a PS3 so I wouldn't know if you could hook up a keyboard or a mouse. I did know they had USB connections but that could be used for additional storage or a bunch of other things. Although with 80-160gb's is alot of storage.....Any ways if it can I'm game to just switching to a console for both eve and dust. :)


The main difficulty with that would be drivers for the mouse and keyboard. However, those should be simple enough that anyone who needed them could simply code them themselves. Keyboards and mice are pretty standardized now that one driver should work for (almost) all of them.

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.08.19 04:26:00 - [64]
 

i must give my support to this topic. i am a poor uni student, and buying a console would constitute spending about 12% of my yearly paycheck, something i cant justify.

i would very much like to see this implemented on PC, and if subscription based could perhaps be added onto my current sub like eve voice was once optional for another $5 or something?

if it is implemented on consoles only, i would feel very alientated, since i could never afford to take part in what would become a very important part of eve.

one of the things i like about eve is that there is nothing you cannot do. a caldari can fly gallente ships, a miner can turn to piracy. but if you split the game like this and then dont allow those of us who arnt ****ting money to get access to it, it goes very much against the spirit of the game.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2009.08.19 04:30:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: War Bear
Who the hell said anything about my sov? I don't have any to even worry about. My gripe is that players on another platform have the ability to influence our world. I wouldn't care if it was a console game based on planetary mining ffs. If content is being made for our universe that will, at some level, effect us then we should have a crack at it on our own platform.

Why the holy hell should I have to cough up money for more hardware to play something that should be on our platform? Lets not even get into console shooter controls shall we? Regardless, I'm more than willing to pay for it for christ's sake. I love the idea of what the ground war is and can do. I'm rather irritated that the players that have been keeping this game afloat are taking a back seat to these so called "knuckle draggers".

This isn't about sov. This is the principle of telling the PC users they're not welcome to this content.


Damn you CCP, letting Mac players into our game! What's next, a Linux client? Have you no shame?

Nikita Alterana
Kumiho's Smile

Posted - 2009.08.19 04:33:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Nikita Alterana on 19/08/2009 04:32:59
supported, I don't want to have to drop 300 dollars on a console to expand my eve experience.
I don't really care for consoles anyway, I'd much rather play it on the PC.

Perpello
Astralite Technologies
Posted - 2009.08.19 04:35:00 - [67]
 

Console exclusivity Laughing

Give us Dust 514 for the PC, sod consoles Twisted Evil

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2009.08.19 04:55:00 - [68]
 


Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2009.08.19 05:01:00 - [69]
 

I'm on the fence here. On the one hand I can see why CCP didn't release it on the PC and on the other I would have liked to play it, as I refuse to buy a console.

Possible reasons for the console release:
- Console gamers don't read reviews, they buy on impulse, based on pretty adverts in the shops
- Consoles are easier to code for than PC's as there is only a set hardware and, thus, no compatibility issues
- EVE players can play the console game as well as the MMO at the same time, thus milking them off money
- This is a way to reach out to a wide audience and, possibly, attract more players to EVE

The most important ones are probably the average intelligence of console game buyers and the fact that CCP would like to reach out to a wider audience and, thus, make more money. Now I know we would all like to play the game but would a PC release detract from the game and draw people from EVE to Dust? That could be one reason why CCP haven't released it on the PC. To be honest I'm pretty happy with EVE as it is, though I do like the idea of interracting with the planetary crowd, even if it's to bombard those fools with wave after wave of Antimatter from my Mega's railguns Very Happy. Guess who has the upper hand if this were possible? Chribba can sit there and bombard the Amarr planets all day long in his Veldnought, so unfair Crying or Very sad


Jessica Bains
Silicon Moon

Posted - 2009.08.19 05:22:00 - [70]
 

Supported!

Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant

Posted - 2009.08.19 05:49:00 - [71]
 

Agreed.

Nemiscent
Posted - 2009.08.19 05:52:00 - [72]
 

I don't own a console. I don't even own a TV. How much, CCP, do you expect me to pay to play this game?

No thank you.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.19 05:53:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Jasonwilliams
Edited by: Jasonwilliams on 19/08/2009 00:34:45
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
I've never used a PS3 or Xbox 360, but don't they have USB ports, and can't they support keyboards and mice? I'm fully in favour of them supporting that input scheme in Dust, because a controller is the mouse's ******ed nephew for FPS work, but as long as they do the choice of systems to be played on is sort of secondary to me. I'd prefer not to have to buy a console to play it, but from a point of view of game design, I'm cool with them doing whatever as long as the players can use mice.


You would need a mouse AND keyboard that require NO drivers what so ever for them to function on either system. There is a controller for the PS3 called the FragFX that kind of mimics a keyboard and mouse, but it's compatibility and usability are really low according to a few users I've talked to about it.


PS3, same USB port. You can use a USB storage device to input drivers, or you can download them from Internet directly on the PS3.



Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.08.19 06:13:00 - [74]
 

Make it available for PC/MAC because there are tons of kids who would love to get in on the action but don't have the consoles to begin with.

Tselpst Chulth
Posted - 2009.08.19 07:54:00 - [75]
 

All thumbs up for making DUST a PC release. Supported. YARRRR!!

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2009.08.19 08:06:00 - [76]
 

I agree, develop EvE Online for consoles! Laughing

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2009.08.19 08:08:00 - [77]
 

I just hope all the interaction with this market of people is at arms length.

Really don't want to have to talk to console squeakers.

If you've got a mate with xbox live, jump on, spend 10mins playing any game, you'll see what I mean.


Sera Ryskin
Posted - 2009.08.19 08:19:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 19/08/2009 08:21:48
This obsessing about cheating is just stupid.


First, the "problem" with cheating in a normal online FPS is incredibly exaggerated. I've spent countless hours playing them online, and I very rarely encounter any cheaters (or if I do, they still suck so much that I win anyway). Most of the time the only sign of the cheater is when they are automatically kicked with a "banned for X hack" message the moment they connect to the server. But besides that, there's a fundamental difference:



A normal FPS has countless individual servers. Therefore cheating has minimal risk, even if you get caught, you've still got plenty of other servers to play on. The most any one server can do is ban you from that specific server, and there are some that don't even do that much. With one copy of the game, a cheater can pretty much cheat as long as they want and annoy as many people as they can until they finally get tired of cheating and either decide to play honestly or move on to a new game.


Dust will have a centralized server. Or at least it will for all of the events that can have any effect on EVE. This means that if you get caught cheating, say goodbye to your account, you'll have to buy a new copy of the game to play again. And a combination of an automated cheat detection system and a "report to admin" feature (and they will have to have this no matter what system they release it on, as cheating on a console is merely more difficult, not impossible) means that you WILL get caught. How many people do you think are going to spend $50 every day just to keep cheating in an online FPS when there are so many other games to cheat in that don't have this feature?

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2009.08.19 08:37:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Sera Ryskin

Dust will have a centralized server.


I wonder how they're going to work that.

There is no way possible to play an FPS from Australia on an overseas server.

Anyone enjoy playing a game based on reaction time and accuracy while being half a second behind the other players?


CommanderData211
Posted - 2009.08.19 08:57:00 - [80]
 

I am very worried about the fact that DUST gameplay will have a direct impact on the landscape of EVE. I understand the logistical reasons for making a FPS for the console only. CCP will make more money, plain and simple. And I guess I understand the connectivity in some sense with the EVE world (Maybe EVE customers will staddle the fence and spend money on both EVE and dust, while still attracting an entirely new player base). Sovereignty though seems to be an insane tie in.

My question is this. Why are the players of EVE being, in a very direct way, taken out of the equation in terms of controlling space we inhabit.

Yes CCP has stated that fleet warfare will still play a part in the role of sovereignty, but it makes no sense to link such an important part of what makes EVE special, to an entirely different player base than those flying the ships and truly inhabiting the space (We were here FIRST!).

The main thrust of my point however is that instead of making a clever add on that could impact players in a tertiary way (I.E. hiring an entity in DUST to steal ISK directly from an entity in EVE, or using an entity in DUST to transport consumables through the universe of EVE fighting along the way) they are implementing a system that will require a new game, in another medium, to not only be successful but also require players of this new system to care about the subtle power plays that happen in the EVE world.

Mainly though, this is taking a major portion of the "ownership" feeling that EVE fosters and giving it to a group who, in a direct sense, have nothing to do with EVE. I am all for expanding the ways that we can play EVE, but I want to be directly part of it. I don't want to hire a group that may or may not be good at what they do, and hinge the space that I fight for and inhabit (And fill with very expensive things that take very real time and energy to acquire) upon them.

Even if the DUST players require some sort of major support from EVE fleets for movement or funding or whatnot, it still begs the question, why is our sovereignty going to be affected (In any way at all) by a different game?

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.19 09:05:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: CommanderData211
My question is this. Why are the players of EVE being, in a very direct way, taken out of the equation in terms of controlling space we inhabit.

What are you doing on this server, I don't like you. Get out of my player-base.

Sera Ryskin
Posted - 2009.08.19 09:25:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 19/08/2009 09:25:38
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Originally by: Sera Ryskin

Dust will have a centralized server.


I wonder how they're going to work that.

There is no way possible to play an FPS from Australia on an overseas server.

Anyone enjoy playing a game based on reaction time and accuracy while being half a second behind the other players?




Easy, you host the game itself on a local server, but you have a centralized server to keep all the stats/accounts/etc and exchange information with EVE. When you join the local server, it pulls your stats/etc from the central server (just a one-time thing) and verifies your account status. Get your account banned for cheating and you might be able to play on a LAN or something, but you sure as hell won't be joining any official games or having any influence on EVE.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2009.08.19 10:00:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Sera Ryskin

Easy, you host the game itself on a local server, but you have a centralized server to keep all the stats/accounts/etc and exchange information with EVE.


I kinda doubt CCP would be setting up geolocated servers.... So they'd likely have to be 3rd party....
Which would be a nightmare to manage and keep the data legit....

Which likely means it'll all be on a central server cluster somewhere?
With maybe, mirrors in major markets....

Australia not being a major market I'd hazard a guess that we'll miss out.

CommanderData211
Posted - 2009.08.19 10:53:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: CommanderData211 on 19/08/2009 10:54:18
Get out of YOUR player base? Why don't you take your infantile response and deposit it where sunshine will not reach. While you're there, why don't you find something constructive to say instead of trolling.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.08.19 11:46:00 - [85]
 

Yes I support this.

I woudld go even further and ask for Dust514 integration in EVE Online thru WIS.
EVE Online players keep paying something like 15 / month and Console players that can only play DUST514 and WIS pay somthing like 8 / month


jos wijnants
Caldari
Posted - 2009.08.19 11:57:00 - [86]
 

anywhere an statement from ccp to the community
bc everything they promised us in the past is given to the console
its a stab in the back is the way i think about it



Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.19 12:22:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: CommanderData211
Edited by: CommanderData211 on 19/08/2009 10:54:18
Get out of YOUR player base? Why don't you take your infantile response and deposit it where sunshine will not reach. While you're there, why don't you find something constructive to say instead of trolling.

If it quacks like a hypocrite, walks like a hypocrite and looks like a hypocrite....

If you so burn for keeping console players out of this wonderful world of ours called EVE, perhaps you should reevaluate your reasons for being here. First they go for the console player, and no one complains because we don't like them. Then they go for the linux players, and no one complains...

Jastra
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.19 12:48:00 - [88]
 

PC > Console, having bought two which idle in a cupboard now way I'm buying another to play, WTF is wrong with making a PC version?

Sanni Cantosa
Posted - 2009.08.19 12:51:00 - [89]
 


Syaran
Gallente
Pure Annihilation
Atropos.
Posted - 2009.08.19 12:54:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Syaran on 19/08/2009 12:54:51
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: CommanderData211
Edited by: CommanderData211 on 19/08/2009 10:54:18
Get out of YOUR player base? Why don't you take your infantile response and deposit it where sunshine will not reach. While you're there, why don't you find something constructive to say instead of trolling.

If it quacks like a hypocrite, walks like a hypocrite and looks like a hypocrite....

If you so burn for keeping console players out of this wonderful world of ours called EVE, perhaps you should reevaluate your reasons for being here. First they go for the console player, and no one complains because we don't like them. Then they go for the linux players, and no one complains...

Dispite this probably being a troll attempt, I cannot resist feeding...

As said before, a console vs PC argument is entirely different from one flavour PC vs another. A mac/Linux player also has a mouse and keyboard, and has the same advantages and difficulties as a windows player. A console player is stuck with either a controller or very limited keyboard and mouse support.

On top of that, this console game is an external factor. All of a sudden an external factor you have no control over can severely limit what you can do in a sandbox game. This is pretty much contrary to the very foundations on which EVE is built. If you can't see how this is a bad idea...

Making this non exclusive is a first step, so supported.


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