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Empress Shai
Posted - 2010.04.10 13:17:00 - [331]
 

Looking at the standpoint of it's exclusivity, I think it is a bad idea to make it console solely.
It seems, the more platforms (meaning also on PC), the more money.

If they do micro transactions, they would likely see more income off of having more methods of gameplay, maning wouldn't they make more money if it was also on the PC?

I am not against it being on consoles, as to I enjoy my 360, but I play shooters on my PC. Ah well, whatever, I am buying it either way.

dazim666
Posted - 2010.04.16 07:03:00 - [332]
 

im getting sick and tired of games only being sold for consoles it is just a cheap way for Microsoft or Sony to make a few cheap bucks it dosent even make sense pc's have more advantages then consoles and im beginning to feel like we are being discriminated against just because we of the type of hardware we own. if this kind of thing happens here i may just quit eve.

AKKADIAN9000
Posted - 2010.05.08 03:28:00 - [333]
 

Sad this is my first post when i found out about this bein for consoles only i was shocked Surprised b4 i knew this i was so fired up to play this then all came crashing down :( but i say what the hell let console and pc come together in the gaming world. let us join as 1 and have a good time. yes PC players will have the upper hand but wouldn't that mean console players would get better in time ? anyway enuff of that i think it should be on PC would be a great shame if it wasn't. PLEASEEEEE LET THE 2 WORLDS COME TOGETHER AS ONE PLEASEEEEE!!!!!!! Very HappySmile

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.05.08 04:46:00 - [334]
 

Talking about Aimbots and hacks in an FPS MMO is ridiculous. An AAA title will sort that out over time and ban those users, It's much less relevant than it is with games like MW2. So the fact that the PC is more accessible for hackers is irrelevant.

Digaph
Gallente
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal

Posted - 2010.05.08 11:57:00 - [335]
 

Supporting the OP.

Callidius
Posted - 2010.05.08 23:15:00 - [336]
 

I too would like to see this game on the PC!

I currently does not own a console and is not planning on buying one, unless they start supporting mouse and keyboard as an alternative way of interaction. I fail to see why this has not happened already - simply let players choose between the two! If original console players think mouse+keyboard is an unfair advantage they may choose to switch as well. Any fancy ideas as to why this has not yet happened?

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.05.08 23:51:00 - [337]
 

Originally by: So Sensational
Talking about Aimbots and hacks in an FPS MMO is ridiculous. An AAA title will sort that out over time and ban those users, It's much less relevant than it is with games like MW2. So the fact that the PC is more accessible for hackers is irrelevant.


Wow. Look how stupid you are. Rolling Eyes

Random MonDistinct
Minmatar
Alternative Innovations
Unknown and Beyond
Posted - 2010.05.09 06:28:00 - [338]
 

Do not see a reason why it can not be made available for PC as well.... if only for a reason of boosting console market Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy
Supported.

Helmh0ltz
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.05.09 17:08:00 - [339]
 

I didn't bother reading all twelve pages. Console exclusivity is the right business decision. Consoles have a huge shooter market share PCs have a tiny one. I'm sorry if you're a hardcore PC shooter gamer, but you are screwed no matter what. I told the same thing to all the people I knew who were *****ing about the crappy PC port of MW2. If they have ability to easily port it, great. If not, I would rather them work on improving Dust then porting it to a platform that represents a minuscule portion of the shooter market.

Officer Chandra
Posted - 2010.05.27 19:49:00 - [340]
 

/signed /signed and more /signed

When I first saw the trailers for DUST I was ecstatic! (Being a relic from the bygone age of Planetside, and wanting something more meaningful than 2142.)

Then I saw it was console only... I was both confused and ****ed. That's on par with Sony deciding to announce that they're making a sequel to Planetside... Console only!

I don't begrudge CCP the opportunity to make money on all the console kids, but for those of us already involved in Eve, I have to agree with earlier posters (in both threads) that shelling out for XBL, ISP, Eve, and possibly DUST (don't know if an 'MMO' sub would be rolled into XBL), ESPECIALLY during a global recession, is just plain silly. (Or unrealisticly greedy.)

Also, I agree with many that have stated that this decision is very much a slap in the face to the existing Eve playerbase. I'm all for expanding the accessibility of the games and the setting, but ostracizing your existing fanbase for the chance to make an extra buck from Microsoft on a platform specific release is a surprisingly dense marketing decision.



Simply Put:

Give us cross platform.

Speaking not only for myself but a group of 8 (some Eve players, some not) that I game with on a regular basis.


If you release on PC we will all purchase.

If you do not release on PC none of us will purchase.


I say this not out of a desire to be ornery, but simply as a statement of fact.

Fellhahn
Posted - 2010.05.28 04:36:00 - [341]
 

This is OUR universe, and I damn well want to be able to play my role in shaping it.

PC will always trump console for FPS playability.

That's not to say I hate consoles, own a 360 and love it.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.05.28 12:14:00 - [342]
 

Originally by: Fellhahn
PC will always trump console for FPS playability.


Cool opinion bro.

A fun fact for you is that console players are different than PC players. DUST 514 is meant to bring in the console players.

If you want to be part of the EVE universe and have a PC, you play EVE-Online. If you have a console, you play DUST 514. If you have both a PC and console, then it is just a matter of what aspect of the EVE universe you want to help shape at the time.

What part of this concept do you guys not understand?

SCjake333
Brothers on EVE
Posted - 2010.06.01 14:03:00 - [343]
 

CCP!! please make dust for pc!! it will create so much more dept for eve and especially be cool in combination with sov claiming (wich you made easyer). your dicission so far is a total backstab to me and the entire eve community.

SCjake333
Brothers on EVE
Posted - 2010.06.01 14:08:00 - [344]
 

and consoles already have modern warfare 2 n things like that, if they cant link the game direcly with the same machine, theyll never chose dust over all the competition. as the the intrest of a console player is not in pc games, and the communication between pc and console gamers is a poor one. (in effect also between eve and dust 514 as you need to communicate in 2 different consoles and games, that contect will then barely be made).

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2010.06.01 21:11:00 - [345]
 

I don't support.

Developing for console and developing for PC are two different animals- so, to focus on both will likely be to the detriment of both.
Furthermore, I doubt having some people on consoles and some on PCs would make for a balanced match, so the two populations would have to be kept separate. Too much hassle. If the DUST population crashes for consoles, I imagine they will port to PC, but for the time being, this is a waste of CSM time.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.06.01 23:29:00 - [346]
 

Supported. Console exclusivity is silly. The only reason some companies do so is because A) PC games get copied illegally; and B) PC games get hacked. The former doesn't apply at all. And as for the latter, granted, a console-exclusive Dust 514 wouldn't see much macro-mining, but overall EVE is still considered one of the least hackable games around.

Also, way to alienate your current, loyal PC fan-base, CCP.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2010.06.01 23:50:00 - [347]
 

The thing that worries me about DUST being a console only game is the definite possibility that the game will simply be unpopular with console gamers and will leave CCP and the rest of us that either don't own consoles or simply are not interested in having to switch platforms to play a new part of the game with a useless extension that will torpedo part of the whole PI hype.

Console gamers are hard to please and games with bugs (which CCP seems to have a particular love for) very seldom get anywhere and usually end up gathering DUST (yay, pun) on the shelves. In addition to that, DUST is being built using the UT3 engine. In addition to the fact that UT3 is no longer all that popular, there are very many FPS games for consoles and the odds of DUST being more popular than say, Halo, or a new version of Half Life are slim indeed.

I think the only people who would put up with CCP's release first, debug later development pattern are the people who play Eve now.

tl;dr: Bring DUST to the PC so at least someone will actually play it.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services

Posted - 2010.06.02 00:42:00 - [348]
 

Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 02/06/2010 00:42:19
Originally by: Bomberlocks
The thing that worries me about DUST being a console only game is the definite possibility that the game will simply be unpopular with console gamers and will leave CCP and the rest of us that either don't own consoles or simply are not interested in having to switch platforms to play a new part of the game with a useless extension that will torpedo part of the whole PI hype.



I didn't agree at first, saw the choice as a smart way to save costs,
however I must agree now that I've seen the sorry state of console FPS gaming.

It seems to me that being a console FPS game it's likely that within 4 weeks the game will be relatively dead, especially when P2P MP game
hosting. There is a clear difference between FPS on console vrs PC. On console FPS games come and go, they are generic ports and made for cheap,
hit the market, sell well, then die off ready for the next FPS. Whereas on PC communities form, dedicated servers are tweaked to perfection and
players loyally play the same FPS for years on end.

Console FPS is a no-brainer usually, it's a quick cash injection that really does work.
However if the aim is to create a strong franchise that maintains popularity over years then console is the worst place to be.


Quote:
Bring DUST to the PC so at least someone will actually play it.


goon fuget
Posted - 2010.06.02 03:08:00 - [349]
 

**** man Jesus

Larry C
Posted - 2010.06.02 10:47:00 - [350]
 

Originally by: Officer Chandra
If you release on PC we will all purchase.



Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Rokkit Kween
Posted - 2010.06.02 14:02:00 - [351]
 

There are a number of definable flaws with releasing DUST on console only.

The lifetime of any console game is restricted to a maximum of the lifetime of the console, with many other limiting factors coming into play. Competition in the console games market is incredibly fierce, games released on consoles tend to have absolutely huge marketing budgets and console gamers have short attention spans. DUST may well be the best console shooter when it is released but how long can it feasibly hold onto that top spot? Only until the next big thing comes out, be it another Halo, God of War, Final Fantasy, or Call of Duty.

To have any longevity DUST will have to keep pace with developments in other console shooters and continually do better than any new releases which come along and try to tempt the playerbase away to newer and shinier toys.

One thing that is essential if DUST is to integrate with EVE successfully is a stable playerbase, and the work needed to maintain that on a console is orders of magnitude greater than that required on the PC.

If DUST is released exclusively on consoles it will more than likely be a phenomenal success for a couple of months, until it is surpassed by the next big thing. This is great if it is a standalone title, with no connection to EVE apart from the IP, and I'm sure that CCP will rejoice in the amount of money it makes them. however as part of the EVE experience it is likely to be little more than an footnote.

The entire concept of DUST deserves more than this. A marrying of EVE and an FPS on PC can achieve that. If anyone has played Planetside, the potential for deepening and expanding the EVE universe into ground based combat is something that should not be done in half measures.

DUST for PC and fully integrated with EVE, or on console but a standalone title. Those are the only two options which make sense.

Adainy Gwanwyn
Posted - 2010.06.04 03:37:00 - [352]
 

Edited by: Adainy Gwanwyn on 04/06/2010 03:36:51
I support this issue and all, but geez, you "PC only" elitists are unbelievable.

I'm sure you'll all shoot me dead when I say it, but I prefer to play my FPSs on console. If you don't, and they release only on the 360 and PS3, woops. Oh well. What're you gonna do, drop your sub?

With the way CCP has been using their
1. Shiny new thing
2. ???
3. Profit!!!
marketing tactics, I doubt they'll miss you. Just saying.

In any case, yes, release on PC and console.
But I'm not crying if you don't.

Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
Original Sin.

Posted - 2010.06.04 04:39:00 - [353]
 

No reason that I can think of not to release Dust for PCs as well, tbh.

VantDre
Gallente
Night Aztecs

Posted - 2010.06.04 05:12:00 - [354]
 

CCP,
PC games LIVE longer simple fact.
I would like it on all my consoles AND my computer.
Explore the options that other games have done with pc
AND console gamers togeather. I'm sure this has already
touched your thoughts somewhat.
SO perv on it some.
I'm the same as the original poster in how this is.


/signed
tosses a beer to gerbile that reads the poasts for ccp.

0silt
Posted - 2010.06.04 15:19:00 - [355]
 


Exelles
Posted - 2010.06.04 15:19:00 - [356]
 


Onyth
Had Holdings
Posted - 2010.06.04 19:41:00 - [357]
 

Would also like to see DUST come out on pc, all I've got is a PS2 and horrible memories of shooters on it.

Shardivh
Posted - 2010.06.05 01:52:00 - [358]
 

Supported.

I would definatley buy and play dust on pc, but probably not on console. I understand that ccp wants to make a game to appeal to the people they beleive least likely to play eve, but they could at least make a pc port.

Lyasi
Posted - 2010.06.05 20:26:00 - [359]
 

+1 Split the planets between the two if you need to separate pc gamers from console, but please release for both. Either that or give the console keyboard and mouse support. I can't stand using controllers and haven't bought another fps for a console since I first used a mouse and keyboard.


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