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Ruby Khann
Posted - 2009.08.22 20:20:00 - [151]
 

"A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar


Still not an expansion?

Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
Posted - 2009.08.22 20:37:00 - [152]
 

I, for one, welcome our new BoB-funded 20,000-member Chinese aimbot dustbunny clan overlords.

LuCiD
Amarr
CrayC Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.22 20:43:00 - [153]
 

Didn't bother to read all the replies to this, just wanted to point out one thing.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


Fallout did not say it wasn't connected to EVE or that it wouldn't affect EVE in any way. Fallout only stated that DUST is not an expansion for EVE.

Yes, DUST will have some impact on the gameplay of EVE, but it's not an expansion. Don't read what isn't there...

Enkidu Uruksen
Wakizashi Renaissance
Posted - 2009.08.22 20:54:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: LuCiD
Didn't bother to read all the replies to this, just wanted to point out one thing.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


Fallout did not say it wasn't connected to EVE or that it wouldn't affect EVE in any way. Fallout only stated that DUST is not an expansion for EVE.

Yes, DUST will have some impact on the gameplay of EVE, but it's not an expansion. Don't read what isn't there...

Since you didn't read all the replies, I'll highlight an important one for you:

"A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar

That's a bit more than "some impact", wouldn't you say? It looks to me more like it's a part of EVE, though as much different from the other aspects as (say) miner from PvPer or mission-runner from POS farmer.

LuCiD
Amarr
CrayC Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.22 21:04:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
Since you didn't read all the replies, I'll highlight an important one for you:

"A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar


Does that change ANYTHING in the post made by Fallout? No.
Does this make DUST 514 an expansion to EVE Online? No.


So as I said...

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2009.08.22 21:50:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: Orrimako

Crying



Look at you, getting mad over video games.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.08.22 22:07:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:40
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:07
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


I understand you as a company wanna make money. You do projects on the side like World of Darkness , pulling resources out from EVE your main child, i dont mind it at all. As for me you can be ultra rich ( that would be even better for EVE) but ...
Separating EVE universe into diffrent kind of games , adding game content that could be as well part of EVE, into consoles.

You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it.



Typhado3
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.08.22 22:32:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: Typhado3 on 22/08/2009 22:36:10
Edited by: Typhado3 on 22/08/2009 22:34:56
tbh it's a completely different game.

I think the idea of humans running around doing the fighting is better than a AI calculator doing the fighting as you watch a timer on the planet saying "Conquering 84%".

The other way to do it would have little marines that you have to manage watch their exp bars rise while you sit out in space watching it. Manage all their guns, trucks and shiney stuff while you spin your tempest... etc. This way you open a convo, talk to a human (that's better than most help lines) and ask them to do it all for you and other people get to have fun while doing it.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.08.22 23:25:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Enkidu Uruksen
Originally by: LuCiD
Didn't bother to read all the replies to this, just wanted to point out one thing.
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


Fallout did not say it wasn't connected to EVE or that it wouldn't affect EVE in any way. Fallout only stated that DUST is not an expansion for EVE.

Yes, DUST will have some impact on the gameplay of EVE, but it's not an expansion. Don't read what isn't there...

Since you didn't read all the replies, I'll highlight an important one for you:

"A Corporation which wants to remain successful, must have access to good dust-soldiers" - Hilmar

That's a bit more than "some impact", wouldn't you say? It looks to me more like it's a part of EVE, though as much different from the other aspects as (say) miner from PvPer or mission-runner from POS farmer.



It's part of the EvE-verse, but it's not part of the PC game EvE Online.

ShadowGod56
Posted - 2009.08.22 23:26:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: LaVista Vista
First of all, it has neither been confirmed to be on the xbox nor PS3. It could be either, it could be both.


Exclusive screenshot of DUST 514 on the xbox.


lmao

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.08.22 23:29:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:40
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:07
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


I understand you as a company wanna make money. You do projects on the side like World of Darkness , pulling resources out from EVE your main child, i dont mind it at all. As for me you can be ultra rich ( that would be even better for EVE) but ...
Separating EVE universe into diffrent kind of games , adding game content that could be as well part of EVE, into consoles.

You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it.





The current EvE playerbase is not the target market for Dust, or at least not the primary. CCP are clearly trying to attract a new set of players into their EvE-verse. How do CCP benefit if the classic double or triple account 0.0 alliance member ditches one of his EvE accounts and subs up to Dust? In fact they would lose.
Dust isn't about expanding your EvE game, it's about expanding the EvE IP to a whole new playerbase.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2009.08.22 23:49:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:40
Edited by: JitaPriceChecker2 on 22/08/2009 22:08:07
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


I understand you as a company wanna make money. You do projects on the side like World of Darkness , pulling resources out from EVE your main child, i dont mind it at all. As for me you can be ultra rich ( that would be even better for EVE) but ...
Separating EVE universe into diffrent kind of games , adding game content that could be as well part of EVE, into consoles.

You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it.





The current EvE playerbase is not the target market for Dust, or at least not the primary. CCP are clearly trying to attract a new set of players into their EvE-verse. How do CCP benefit if the classic double or triple account 0.0 alliance member ditches one of his EvE accounts and subs up to Dust? In fact they would lose.
Dust isn't about expanding your EvE game, it's about expanding the EvE IP to a whole new playerbase.


Yeah you play EVE , you wanna go into the planet and crash all of those who oppose you , you have to pay for new game i dont know how to make things more clearer for you.

ddr800
Posted - 2009.08.23 00:11:00 - [163]
 

I wouldn’t worry about the xbox live sub, Microsoft doesn’t allow sub games on xbox live. I would imagine ccp wants to charge a sub for dust, which means it, won't be an xbox360 live game, which means it won't be downloadable. Which means its player pull is going be pretty weak outside our market.

Over all great idea, just make it parity; of eve use our lore and universe just make them separate. That way you can xbox live it, but again good luck with MS getting them to let you charge a sub I am sure their going to want like 50% or more of those subs. Its their console…. welcome to console tyranny

Kleus Flek
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.08.23 00:13:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: ddr800
I wouldn’t worry about the xbox live sub, Microsoft doesn’t allow sub games on xbox live. I would imagine ccp wants to charge a sub for dust, which means it, won't be an xbox360 live game, which means it won't be downloadable. Which means its player pull is going be pretty weak outside our market.



Isn't final fantasy on the xbox? Embarassed

ddr800
Posted - 2009.08.23 00:25:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: ddr800 on 23/08/2009 00:27:13
Quote:
Isn't final fantasy on the xbox?


And you think ccp has enough money to do as FFO ? Not likely, I'll believe it when I see it.

Nothing against ccp they are amazing company and I love their game but they are not in the same caliber as FF nor as rich as square.

The amount of wasted money they are going to spend or should I say shell out its like a record producer he takes his % the console is the record producer when making a game.

Crimson Tail
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.08.23 00:55:00 - [166]
 

The 0.0 alliance tears are just JOYOUS! Its incredible to see so many tears shed from the self-proclaimed bad-asses of EVE.

Don't worry boys....LET THE TEARS FLOW! Its not a bad thing to cry!!

Pristine Nippletub
Excelsior Knights In Shining Armor
Posted - 2009.08.23 01:26:00 - [167]
 

To be honest, I think it sounds alright, but it also sounds reasonable that maybe eve subscribers could get the game at a discounted price or something off the website? Either way I will be happy with a FPS to tie into a great game.

I just hope it is good. I am tired of guns just putting little holes into people. Real guns blow pieces/chunks out. Also I am a bit concerned about my role in eve as a space overlord to the peasants and or subhuman clones fighting for space on the planets. We need to have some sort of rule over them, or at least there needs to be a feeling of fear in all dust players, that one of the mean space pirates is going to nuke them again.

We shall see.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.08.23 03:23:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Zeba on 23/08/2009 03:24:41



Remember that ccp filed for two copyrights. Dust 514 and Dust. CCP has already stated that Dust 514 is console only and will have an as yet undetermined effect on eve sov so what we need to figure out is what the hell is Dust?


Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2009.08.23 05:18:00 - [169]
 

Change map to ccp_dust?
1. Yes
2. No


1

Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2009.08.23 06:18:00 - [170]
 

Probably the worst dissemination of information about a product I've ever seen (ok aside from SOE). This is probably under wikipedia under 'how best to **** off your existing playerbase'. Rolling Eyes I will also reiterate that changing a very longstanding game mechanic like sovereignity by (re)moving it to any extent to another game without the support of the players using it is a very bad idea. But, onward.

The first really puzzling thing about this announcement is ccp's departure from tradition in giving out good information. If there's changes down the road, there's a blog about it. Huge upcoming nerf, blog. Hilmar farts, blog. Now, just an announcement and a video of him presenting it somewhere, to a press audience, and no more information. He describes very little detail but what he does say seems to contradict many statements of the sunshine and roses spin doctors in this thread. I believe CCP knows the majority of the details will be ill received by the playerbase and that is why they are being withheld, for as long as humanly possible.

We do know that it will cost isk to purchase the ground troops. On the theory that the ground game must also be fun and more addictive than your traditional fps, ground players will probably cost incrementally more as their skill level/acquired items increase. Any statement that these ground troops would be at all unnecessary or have a minimal effect on EVE is probably not true. If you just have an fps game, with your standard fps goals, excellent graphics, etc people still get burned out on them and stop playing after a few months, or perhaps a year. But a shooter with long term strategic goals that are based on the game of EVE, might hold the attention of some longer.

I can guess a couple of things based on this.

One is that the ground game will have as much of an impact on sov as dreads vs battleships do now (unless they add a plaentary bombardment module for dreads for ground troop decimation, which, as fun as it sounds for me, wouldn't be very fun for the dust people) Not necessary theoretically, but practically, yes. Two, after six months or so, the best mercenaries on any 0.0 planet will be quite expensive.

Another problem I see is the numbers mismatch. What happens when there's not enough dust players to fight a battle? Do you hire npc dust? Are they as good? Do they cost as much? Certainly in the beginning of the game there won't be enough players to supply the vast needs of the typical 0.0 slugfestorama. Will you be allowed to purchase as many npc troops as you have isk for? Will you be able to purchase solely npc's if you wish? This leads naturally right into the next set of unknowns I will discuss.

You get what you pay for - or do you? The faint scraps that have been let out indicate that dust soldiers will probably not be anonymous, but people that you can recruit into the ground alliance or some such mechanic. This leads to the question of will there be friendly fire enabled. That is, can they turn on their fellow squad members. I can see goons having a field day if it is. You log into planet x and join up with your squad....and drop three plasma grenades right after you get out of your transport, killing yourself and everyone else. Objective completed.

All in all if these guesses are anywhere close to the truth it'd be a bad idea as implemented. A less distasteful approach would have been to tie it into factional warfare with nice carrots attached if you won a solar system for instance (get a station service of your choice added on, etc). They do need to spill the beans on the details of how it's going to effect us though, and soon. All the Scandinavian people I talk to are not happy. And you need to keep the vikings happy.




Fudol
Posted - 2009.08.23 06:36:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Edited by: Zeba on 23/08/2009 03:24:41



Remember that ccp filed for two copyrights. Dust 514 and Dust. CCP has already stated that Dust 514 is console only and will have an as yet undetermined effect on eve sov so what we need to figure out is what the hell is Dust?




This probably is just a way to prevent some other company releasing their own ,,Dust" game ( whatever company,whatever game/genre) and creating ,,confusion on the marketplace".

So if two gamers talk and one mentions "Dust" they both connect it to eve's Dust not some racing game for example.
You read the forums so you see that everybody says just ,,Dust" not ,,Dust 514"



Holy Makaroni
Posted - 2009.08.23 09:19:00 - [172]
 

I am excited over the new game. But i will never get a console. I prefer to play on pc. So maybe i get a chanse to play it if it will be released to pc. And thats not gonna happen for a long time i think.
But then again if i want a shooter there is many good comming. Battlefield3, Operation flashpoint2 dragon... and Arma2.

Kilostream
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.23 10:21:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Kilostream on 23/08/2009 10:27:17
Originally by: Devirus
....For all we know this could turn out to be the best thing thats happened to eve....


It could also turn out to be killing the goose that laid the golden egg for CCP.

I really don't know what to make of this, but I suspect that behind it is the new American owners (sorry "partners") of CCP putting the boot in to try and screw more money out of us.

Eve, and games like it have players subscribed for years - most console games have shelf lives measured in months - you can see why they'd want to force known long-term game players into their new contrivance.

Even if this is a success on initial release of the game, I can't see it being a lasting solution after the game is three-six months old or so if Eve players don't play it.
The console kiddies we "hire" will get distracted by GT5 or some other shiny toy on their christmas-list and the only people left playing it will be ****ed-off Eve subbers who feel forced into doing so because they want a result in the game they actually want to play.

CCP - this is a crap idea - if you need to fix sov, fix it, but do it in-game.





iP0D
Posted - 2009.08.23 10:43:00 - [174]
 

I'm wondering how many Somethingawful.com members will now be able to swarm into the eve universe who previously didn't have much of anything to do with PC games or EVE in general ...

Very Happy

Chris Liath
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.08.23 11:39:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: voogru
Change map to ccp_dust?
1. Yes
2. No


1


You just made my day.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2009.08.23 12:10:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


you can not say that when this game is going to be effecting sovereignty and i can assure you no one is going to want to put there empire int he hands of a bunch of screaming 13 year olds who have a very short attention span and can just decide to screw things up for us couse they feel like it and we cant do bugger all about it

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2009.08.23 12:16:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2


You are chargin us with an expansion really. You just wanna do it in very clever way ! So half of the poeple cant warp their heads around it.





Is DUST required to be purchased for you to remain able to login to TQ, nope then its not an expansion and its not a requirement for you to purchase, i'll be buying it aswell just because it'll be nice to be able to poke fun at sov without having my ass assploded by titans :P

Vysnaite
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.08.23 12:17:00 - [178]
 

On one hand it's debatable whether its an "expansion". Its something in between a completely new product and an expansion.

Yes, ti does influence EVE world, unlike some have claimed and it;s sad that it will not be on PC (speculation about no direct "NO" in interviews is not convincing).

Yet this is at least a couple of years to wait, so don't get into it too much.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.08.23 12:27:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.
you can not say that when this game is going to be effecting sovereignty
Are you required to own Dust to play sov games in EVE? No.
Are you required to own EVE to play Dust? No.
Will owning EVE and/or Dust affect what you can and cannot do in the other game? No.
Can use use your Dust character in EVE? Not likely.
Can you use your EVE character in Dust? Not likely.

It's not an expansion by any stretch of the imagination. It's a parallel but entirely separate game that just so happens to co-exist within the same game world.
Quote:
no one is going to want to put there empire int he hands of a bunch of screaming 13 year olds who have a very short attention span and can just decide to screw things up for us couse they feel like it and we cant do bugger all about it
So don't. Who says you have to?

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.08.23 12:48:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Heya, just wanted to clear the air here: EVE Online's expansions will continue to be free. DUST is not an expansion to EVE Online.


you can not say that when this game is going to be effecting sovereignty and i can assure you no one is going to want to put there empire int he hands of a bunch of screaming 13 year olds who have a very short attention span and can just decide to screw things up for us couse they feel like it and we cant do bugger all about it


Clearly it is not an expansion. All it does is it builds on the current mechanic and expands them to include new things. It's more of an addition to EVE then an expansion. So we only have to pay for additions to the game, but not for expansions. I can't see how people have so much problems understanding this clear and simple CCP policy. DUST is not like WIS, that doesn't actually influence the current gameplay and is therefore an expansion. Since DUST will influence current gameplay mechanics, it is better classified as an addition. Surely you can understand the logic behind this decision now.


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