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ceaon
Posted - 2009.08.13 12:30:00 - [61]
 

hmmm i got a idea to solve this, there should be a dolphins flu and no one will eat them
or

1 drop some poison in the water 1 week before that festival
2 import some coffins
3 ???
4 profit

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.13 12:32:00 - [62]
 

So a seal walks into a club...

Jonny 101
Posted - 2009.08.13 12:50:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Originally by: Jonny 101
It's called food.
Why aren't you complaining over cows? cod? i'll tell you why, because they aren't as cute you pathetic hypocrite.
PS. I eat whale meat nearly every week, and I love it!


There are logical reasons to eat cows rather than dolphins:
1. Cows are easier to breed.
2. Dolphins are more intelligent.

Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Munchees

Doplhins are such cute and cuddly animals until you factor in the fact that male dolphins will kill the children of a female dolphin and then **** her.


Thats not unusual, lions do it too. Course both dont have a concept of **** or romantic attachment to a particular mate, its all about passing their genes on to the next generation.

That doesn't sound too unreasonable. Former mate being defeated means chances are offspring of the victor will be better than those of the loser.


Cows do more damage to the enviourment than cars, and i'm not saying this as a car fanboi, far from it, I don't even have a drivers licence, I dont see why i'd need one living in a city, nor am I a meat hating vegan, I think i've made it plain I like my steak rare (preferably mooing), its just a fact.

Pigs are one of the most intelligent animals in the world, and their genes are so similar to ours that several of their organs can actually keep a human body alive.

But then again, pigs aren't cute are they?

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 13:48:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 13/08/2009 13:48:33
Originally by: Awesome Possum


so it is ok to kill one type of cetacean, but not ok to kill another type.

gotcha.


I was just pointing out the fact that sea mammals have very human tendencies on both ends of the spectrum.

I am just not for whole sale slaughter of any creature. That is what unbalances the system. If the individuals need the protein and fat and a sea mammal is the best source of that I am not going to begrudge them that source of nourishment. But non-conservative slaughter of a species is not very bright. For example; wolves in the US were the only natural predator of deer and know in most parts of the country there is a large problem of deer overpopulation due to the whole sale slaughter of wolves in the 1800's. That is why I can get 13 deer per year if I so choose, but there is still regulations on which deer you can and can not kill, like females during the certain parts of the hunting season Rolling Eyes


Slade

Thuranni
Eldjotnar
Posted - 2009.08.13 13:56:00 - [65]
 

For those unaware, Dolphin tastes delicious.

Imagine a prime beef steak, but slightly salty.

Thuranni
Eldjotnar
Posted - 2009.08.13 13:58:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
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I am just not for whole sale slaughter of any creature. That is what unbalances the system. If the individuals need the protein and fat and a sea mammal is the best source of that I am not going to begrudge them that source of nourishment.



This is taking place in the Faroese Islands; A tiny archipelago of islands just south of Iceland. The Islands are absolutely dependent on the sea for survival, including whaling and dolphin hunting.

So yes, this is very neccessary for these people for their continued survival. This is not done for sport.

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.08.13 14:01:00 - [67]
 

iz it coz they iz black?

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 14:09:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 13/08/2009 14:11:52
Originally by: Thuranni


This is taking place in the Faroese Islands; A tiny archipelago of islands just south of Iceland. The Islands are absolutely dependent on the sea for survival, including whaling and dolphin hunting.

So yes, this is very neccessary for these people for their continued survival. This is not done for sport.


I will claim ignorance on the peoples necessity for the food and I did not say that it was done for sport. But hunting like this with the current populations trends and technology currently available, is not necessarily in the best interest of one of the peoples primary food source Rolling Eyes

So how much hunting have you done in your life and do you understand the negative potential of killing such large quantities of females of a population year ofter year? As far as those pictures look it does not look like they are thinking twice about the future viability of one of their primary food sources.

So once again I will say I could care less if they hunt and kill sea mammals I am just coming from the angle that conservation is necessary and those pictures do not look like conservative hunting.


Slade


Jonny 101
Posted - 2009.08.13 14:22:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 13/08/2009 14:11:52
Originally by: Thuranni


This is taking place in the Faroese Islands; A tiny archipelago of islands just south of Iceland. The Islands are absolutely dependent on the sea for survival, including whaling and dolphin hunting.

So yes, this is very neccessary for these people for their continued survival. This is not done for sport.


I will claim ignorance on the peoples necessity for the food and I did not say that it was done for sport. But hunting like this with the current populations trends and technology currently available, is not necessarily in the best interest of one of the peoples primary food source Rolling Eyes

So how much hunting have you done in your life and do you understand the negative potential of killing such large quantities of females of a population year ofter year? As far as those pictures look it does not look like they are thinking twice about the future viability of one of their primary food sources.

So once again I will say I could care less if they hunt and kill sea mammals I am just coming from the angle that conservation is necessary and those pictures do not look like conservative hunting.


Slade




I see a few douzen animals being killed in one go, you said you are allowed to kill up to 13, as are many other hunters meaning you guys kill far more animals than these guys seem to do.

Further more this type of fishing has happened for a very long time and the population is still clearly healthy from the picture, you surely don't think one flock is the entire population do you?

Kill a bunch of animals in one go and have food for a very long time, or kill one animal every now and then, the tally will end up the same when the year is over.

Conversation had nothing to do with the original op, it showed a sea of blood and OMG KILLERZ DEZE INNOZENT CRATURES IZ SO KAWAII!!

If there were some actual facts and figures, we could debate those, but there aren't, just the brutal truth about where your ****ing dinner actually comes from.

I grew up on a small island in the ocean, only 10 minutes by boat from the mainland but it gives me an idea of what its like living a place like that, when I was a kid i'd go fish dinner, hunt shellfish and other things, from a very early age I knew that my dinner had once been swimming around and that to get it ready for my plate, I first had to rip open its stumach with a knife and tear out its guts.

But unfortunately a lot of people these days thinks food is something that magically appears wrapped in supermarekts, and they forget the ripping out the guts stage their steak has gone through, and so we get this bull****.

Saladin
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.08.13 14:39:00 - [70]
 

The people in those countries are not starving, they can get their food from the supermarket, which comes from DOMESTICATED farm animals that are bred in large numbers. Using tradition is not an excuse. Especially in these scandanavian countries where the traditions of other peoples (e.g. muslims) are the subject of ridicule.

If they want to eat dolphin because of some antiquated tradition then they should do it the traditional way, on rafts instead of power boats.

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2009.08.13 14:43:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Jonny 101
Pigs are one of the most intelligent animals in the world, and their genes are so similar to ours that several of their organs can actually keep a human body alive.

Good point, but then again they're easy to breed.
Originally by: Jonny 101
But then again, pigs aren't cute are they?

Maybe in some cartoons they might be cute. Pig isn't an insult for nothing.

Jonny 101
Posted - 2009.08.13 14:45:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Saladin
The people in those countries are not starving, they can get their food from the supermarket, which comes from DOMESTICATED farm animals that are bred in large numbers. Using tradition is not an excuse. Especially in these scandanavian countries where the traditions of other peoples (e.g. muslims) are the subject of ridicule.

If they want to eat dolphin because of some antiquated tradition then they should do it the traditional way, on rafts instead of power boats.


I think they want to eat it because its tasty and healthy, thats why I eat whales anyway.

But you're saying, industrial farming = ok hunting = bad?

You're an idiot.

Saladin
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:10:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Jonny 101

I think they want to eat it because its tasty and healthy, thats why I eat whales anyway.

But you're saying, industrial farming = ok hunting = bad?

You're an idiot.


Industrial farming feeds the world, hunting feeds the bloodlust of the savage few. As for health and tastiness, I am sure there are plenty of substitutes. If they are worried about vitamin deficiency there are pills for that.

Zar Terra
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:18:00 - [74]
 

#1. Those are NOT dolphins. They are Long-finned Pilot Whale.
and #2…This is the faroe islands. This happens every year. once a year when the whales are migrating, the entire town comes out to harvest the whales. Once the whales are close to shore they are hooked and dragged to shore. A portion of the meat goes to the elderly homes and another portion goes to the hospital. The police and fire station also take their share. After that it is split evenly to all the people of the Island. The whales are used completely and nothing is wasted. even the bones and fat are used for different products. This is not a festival or killing spree. its just people doing what they have been dong for hundreds of years.


Larkonis TrassIer
State Breast Inspectorate
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:19:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Jonny 101

I think they want to eat it because its tasty and healthy, thats why I eat whales anyway.

But you're saying, industrial farming = ok hunting = bad?

You're an idiot.


Industrial farming feeds the world, hunting feeds the bloodlust of the savage few. As for health and tastiness, I am sure there are plenty of substitutes. If they are worried about vitamin deficiency there are pills for that.


Bahahaha...

Have you seen some of the conditions that some animals are kept in for 'industrial farming' even in the 'civilised world'? These whales (ps, they are whales not dolphins) have grown up in the wild, are presumably only slaughtered as mature adults only in a quick and painless way by a species who have been their natural predator for centuries.

As for hunting=bloodlust. Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Kharass Al'Quam
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Phoenix Virtue
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:28:00 - [76]
 

Seeing there much talk about nothing in this thread i will say that Faroe island have been doing this type of culling for ages and will continue to do so as there culture feels so.

So now for wiki links.

Just read the articles and numbers. And for christs sake they are not killing Flipper.

The islands : Faroe Islands

The Flipper they eat : Flipper

And also lets not forget that the US is the bigger killer of whales in the world. Yes your goverment gives out whaling quotas to your native tribes. And they whale becouse it's there culture.

See : Same Same but diffrent.

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:30:00 - [77]
 



What about shrimps???

Millions of shrimps are getting deaded every year.


SAVE THE SHRIMPS!!!!


Saladin
Minmatar
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:31:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Kharass Al'Quam
Seeing there much talk about nothing in this thread i will say that Faroe island have been doing this type of culling for ages and will continue to do so as there culture feels so.

So now for wiki links.

Just read the articles and numbers. And for christs sake they are not killing Flipper.

The islands : Faroe Islands

The Flipper they eat : Flipper

And also lets not forget that the US is the bigger killer of whales in the world. Yes your goverment gives out whaling quotas to your native tribes. And they whale becouse it's there culture.

See : Same Same but diffrent.


If this is an issue of 'tradition' why don't they use rafts like their forefathers did and keep everything traditional? If they embrace modern technology then they must embrace modern sensibilities.

silly person
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:33:00 - [79]
 

Dolphins have been known to **** people, so really they probably had it coming.

Jonny 101
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:37:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Kharass Al'Quam
Seeing there much talk about nothing in this thread i will say that Faroe island have been doing this type of culling for ages and will continue to do so as there culture feels so.

So now for wiki links.

Just read the articles and numbers. And for christs sake they are not killing Flipper.

The islands : Faroe Islands

The Flipper they eat : Flipper

And also lets not forget that the US is the bigger killer of whales in the world. Yes your goverment gives out whaling quotas to your native tribes. And they whale becouse it's there culture.

See : Same Same but diffrent.


If this is an issue of 'tradition' why don't they use rafts like their forefathers did and keep everything traditional? If they embrace modern technology then they must embrace modern sensibilities.


It's not an issue of tradition, its an issue of this has always been a great way to get food, and so they've improved on it as technology has gotten better.

Food, dinner, super markets AREN'T magic.

Kharass Al'Quam
Minmatar
Fleet of Doom
Phoenix Virtue
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:41:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Kharass Al'Quam
Seeing there much talk about nothing in this thread i will say that Faroe island have been doing this type of culling for ages and will continue to do so as there culture feels so.

So now for wiki links.

Just read the articles and numbers. And for christs sake they are not killing Flipper.

The islands : Faroe Islands

The Flipper they eat : Flipper

And also lets not forget that the US is the bigger killer of whales in the world. Yes your goverment gives out whaling quotas to your native tribes. And they whale becouse it's there culture.

See : Same Same but diffrent.


If this is an issue of 'tradition' why don't they use rafts like their forefathers did and keep everything traditional? If they embrace modern technology then they must embrace modern sensibilities.


Tell that to every Army General out there.

Seeing many country's have a culture of going to war every 4 years or so.

Larkonis TrassIer
State Breast Inspectorate
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:41:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Kharass Al'Quam
Seeing there much talk about nothing in this thread i will say that Faroe island have been doing this type of culling for ages and will continue to do so as there culture feels so.

So now for wiki links.

Just read the articles and numbers. And for christs sake they are not killing Flipper.

The islands : Faroe Islands

The Flipper they eat : Flipper

And also lets not forget that the US is the bigger killer of whales in the world. Yes your goverment gives out whaling quotas to your native tribes. And they whale becouse it's there culture.

See : Same Same but diffrent.


If this is an issue of 'tradition' why don't they use rafts like their forefathers did and keep everything traditional? If they embrace modern technology then they must embrace modern sensibilities.


Because using modern methods is quicker, safer and more humane?

Teddy Tazer
Minmatar
Vard School of Cryo Cuisine
Posted - 2009.08.13 15:46:00 - [83]
 

Thanks for all the dolphins.

Kyguard
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 16:01:00 - [84]
 

Most of you are simply ******ed. Both the lolimontheinternetthisiscool trolls and the peta fanboys.

The only issue here is how they are killed (be it humane, quickest and most painless), and the quantity that are killed so that the species doesn't risk extinction.

The method of killing is by driving a special knife into their dorsal area right down to the spinal chord, once the spinach chord is severed then the pilot whale usually dies within a few seconds to a few minutes. This could be better down to instantaneous, but in practicality this is the best way. This is much better than back when Japanese hunters would let a whale thrash in agony after slitting its neck.

Conservation; well the number of whales killed each year has been dropping since 20 years ago. According to the conservation organizations etc. the number of whales killed each year is sustainable. I don't know what kind of effect removing an entire pod of whales from the area has on the environment, so I can't comment on that.

Furthermore, dolphins are also drive hunted in the Faroe and other areas, just the ones in the article are whales.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.13 16:24:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 13/08/2009 14:11:52
Originally by: Thuranni


This is taking place in the Faroese Islands; A tiny archipelago of islands just south of Iceland. The Islands are absolutely dependent on the sea for survival, including whaling and dolphin hunting.

So yes, this is very neccessary for these people for their continued survival. This is not done for sport.


I will claim ignorance on the peoples necessity for the food and I did not say that it was done for sport. But hunting like this with the current populations trends and technology currently available, is not necessarily in the best interest of one of the peoples primary food source Rolling Eyes

So how much hunting have you done in your life and do you understand the negative potential of killing such large quantities of females of a population year ofter year? As far as those pictures look it does not look like they are thinking twice about the future viability of one of their primary food sources.

So once again I will say I could care less if they hunt and kill sea mammals I am just coming from the angle that conservation is necessary and those pictures do not look like conservative hunting.


Slade




The technology being there is one thing, being able to afford it is quite another. For an example, yeah we can grow meat in a petree dish (affectionally called shimeat by its creator) but the cost per piece is so high that it likely wont see, if it ever does, practical application for a long time in the most advanced nations of the planet.

Furthermore one has to ask how many people would that much marine animal flesh feed after its been gutted, deboned and cleaned, in short how much meat is on their bones. How often does a pod of those animals come within range? How long does the meat last with perservation techniques? How big is the villiage/city/insert population here.

I agree from a convervation stand point in regards to asking how many females are killed (killing the goose that lays the golden egg is never a good idea) but again how often is this sort of thing done? How many females are in a given pod? How often do they reproduce and how many cafes are birthed each cycle? Just because you see so called indiscriminate killing that will lead to exhaustian of the species in a photo doesnt nessessarly mean thats the case.

Sandslinger
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
Posted - 2009.08.13 19:45:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Sandslinger on 13/08/2009 19:46:41
Hmm conservation..


Well let's see they've been doing it for a at least a thousand years that we know off

And the whales are still there.....

oh and FYI when it comes to preservation of species Norway/faroe Islands has the best track record in Europe (several wolf packs have been preserved by stringent laws against harming them amongst other things)

Used to crack me up how Greenpeace came over from the UK to condemn Norwegian Whale hunting when they live on a island that has killed every single species they could that didn't serve them a purpose continously and continuing this day

(check out grouse/pheasant hunting and the mass poisoning of animals that goes on every year f'egs - or the bloodsport of fox hunting

Yet these idiots came to the country with the best record in keeping a variety of species alive through conservation to tout their cause blow peoples ships up etc.

@ OP "oh my god look at all that blood oh those sad intelligent animals oh my Goood". grow up take a trip down to a local abatoir and see what actually happens in the grinder that is our food chain every single day. tell me that its humane and they feel no pain.

usually each cow/sheep etc get to stand in a long line wathcing the ones in front of them get a nail in their head and believe me they KNOW exactly whats going on.

want a worthwhile cause to support for the sake of conservation 95% of the amphibian life on the planet is under threat of extinction by acidisation of our enviroment and global warming. oh but frogs and toads aren't quite so cute are they.

Wan't a worthwhile cause to support for the sake of ending suffering of animals check out your local intensive meat production facility chicken abd pig farms especially.


oh but you say dolphins and whales are so much more intelligent we can't kill them actually most research on different intelligence suggest the smartest animals that we eat are pigs on land and various species of squid in the sea.

effin disney affected conservationists should be strung up lol

Vaden Khale
Amarr
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.08.13 19:46:00 - [87]
 

I'll just say that I've been either hunting or helping my dad butcher hunted animals since I could walk. I didn't know you could even buy meat at the supermarket till I was seven and could finally see over the counter. Hunting is way cheaper than buying food at the market. Also, as I spent formative years on a hog farm, and have a degree in food science, I've seen plenty of domesticated farms. The wild critters have it far better.

For instance, pigs in the USA are typically killed by shocking them between the middle of their spine and the base of the neck, paralyzing them and rendering them unconscious. They are then hung upside down and have their throats slit. They then bleed out.

Cows have a stun gun to render them unconscious. This isn't an electrical stun gun, this is basically a .22, but the bullet doesn't leave the chamber, it merely protrudes about a half inch. This is used on the cows skulls, basically punching a .22 size hole into their heads, and rendering them unconscious. They are then hung upside down, and have their throats slit. They bleed out, etc, etc...

Chicken farms...eugh. Those places are horrible. Crowded, smelly, and downright terrible places to visit. Makes you not want to eat chicken anymore. Also shows you there's not much better way to raise chicken en masse. (I'd advise the free range folks to not argue free range).

So yeah, hunting vs farming is a rather stupid argument. Save for the folks that think because an animal is "wild" it has "rights" and should be treated like a ****ing human.

Now, as far as intelligence being a decisive factor...Pigs are quite intelligent. Smarter than cats and dogs, actually. Cows are stupid, but hey, not everyone's an Einstein... So, why should we kill only some smart critters, and not others? OK, cute factor. WTF ever. Yeah, dolphins are "cute." So are dogs and cats. The Chinese still eat those. The Chinese, ethically speaking, are actually the most sound when it comes to animals. They don't treat animals differently based on their species. Cats, dogs, rats, cattle, pigs. They'll eat everything and they'll kill it in whatever way possible. Our Western sensibilities might be perturbed by the way they kill all animals, but hey, we're the damn hypocrites placing value of one species over another for no better reason than the animals "cuteness" or intelligence.

By the way.

Dolphins kill for fun. And they've killed people. I don't care how intelligent it is, it's still an animal, and thus has one right: to be tasty. To those arguing that one member of the species doing a kind act of saving a human life somehow makes the entire species too good to hunt, you're stupid. There are plenty of cases of dogs saving human lives. And then the dingo eats your baby.

In closing...

Where can I get me some whale meat?

Sandslinger
NorCorp Enterprise
No Holes Barred
Posted - 2009.08.13 19:50:00 - [88]
 

Answer to above

Norway

Quite expensive though as the quote on whales is extremely low to ensure conservation of the Mink whale (only one that's hunted)

taste : like beef, with ha kind of oily (not greasy, like seafood oily, Think Salmon))under current going on.
Depending on how it's cooked you can sometimes get a hint of Tunaish flavour to it.

Recomendation : eat it raw as Sushu with Wasabi if you get the chance

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.08.13 20:19:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Jonny 101

I think they want to eat it because its tasty and healthy, thats why I eat whales anyway.

But you're saying, industrial farming = ok hunting = bad?

You're an idiot.


Industrial farming feeds the world, hunting feeds the bloodlust of the savage few. As for health and tastiness, I am sure there are plenty of substitutes. If they are worried about vitamin deficiency there are pills for that.


Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

So we take the domesticated cow and shuffle it into a rather small pen for it life. Sure many may be free range beef but in general you'll end up with a couple hundred chilling it in an area the size of a small football field.
At some point they are moved to the meat factory where they are herded up the ramp and a guy with a hydraulic hammer walks up and punches a new hole into the cows head. If he misses the brain the creature wallops around violently for about 10 minutes spewing blood and organs everywhere.
After that each carcass is strung up on a meat hook where they move down the assembly line, ripping off the skin, slashing across the stomach so the intestines can fall out all over the floor and it is eventually cut up and packaged by your local migrant worker who has Hepatitis C.
After that it is shipped off to the grocery store where the meat is usually flash freeze which lowers the quality and taste of the meat and it eventually lands on the shelf where you pick it up and take it home where it will most likely be stored in the freezer until you need it. Ordering a half a cow can cost you over a $1000 alone let alone that $7 steak you buy each week.

But on the flip side I can get my hunting license and tags for a couple of hundred dollars, grab my $2 bullet and go find me an elk, where he may or may not get away from me depending on the situation, shoot him, drag him home, cut him up myself, and live off of him for 2 years along with my home grown vegetables.

Not so bad being a bloodthirsty hunter me I think.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.08.13 20:26:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich


Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat drinking beer for 6 hours.




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