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Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.10.07 10:50:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 07/10/2004 10:56:16
See this thread.

Quite clearly, PvP, as it stands, isn't enough to keep even the most bloodthirsty players active and neither do said players believe that CCP can keep their word with regard to Shiva and the features we will see when Shiva finally goes "live".

Can we have some idea what features will be available when Shiva goes "live"?

I'm unable to get onto the Shiva server to test it out so I have no clue what is available for testing; what is available would be a big clue as to what is most likely to be included when Shiva goes "live".

I'd really like to be able to see for myself what is likely to be available as soon as Shiva goes "live"; due to CCP's misinformation, I've already had to renew my account for one more subscription than I expected while waiting for Shiva and I'd really like to know if Shiva is really worth waiting for at the "live" stage or whether I should go dormant until all the features are in place.

Meehan
Viziam
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:00:00 - [2]
 

No use trying to quit... it will suck you back in!

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:00:00 - [3]
 

To be honest I don't think it's worth it until late Q1 2005.

If Shiva does ship in 27 days (November 3rd) I'll be amazed since it's only now being tested properly.

Once it does ship, a lot more new bugs will be found, petitions will flow, accounts will be cancelled and the majority will grit their teeth and hope to make it until things are ironed out.

However (current/former) m0o will show up on EVE FanFest Cool

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:03:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/10/2004 11:06:28
I've been on the test server since early the 5th and somehow I'm still positive.

Currently (or at least till yesterdays patch of it) the server lacked any real new content other then the space-accesible market and the new UI, both of which already show a few bugs but in general look very nice.

For me, lvl 4 agents, complexes and more importantly pos and territorial control will be the key factors. I still ahve some hopes that the pos system will enhance territorial control.

Edit:
Quote:

However (current/former) m0o will show up on EVE FanFest



He ccp, how about throwing the single most influential corp in Eve history a going-dormant party there ? Pity I wont see it, but you guys owe m0o something and you know it Wink

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: "Riddari"
Once it does ship, a lot more new bugs will be found, petitions will flow, accounts will be cancelled and the majority will grit their teeth and hope to make it until things are ironed out.


And you didn't get used to that by now? Shocked

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:08:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Originally by: "Riddari"
Once it does ship, a lot more new bugs will be found, petitions will flow, accounts will be cancelled and the majority will grit their teeth and hope to make it until things are ironed out.


And you didn't get used to that by now? Shocked
I've quit 2 times allready Cool

TheJay
Amarr
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
On the Rocks
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:08:00 - [7]
 

Just because some people are bored, doesnt mean the rest of us are Smile

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:11:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 07/10/2004 11:13:03
It's not the boredom I was highlighting, really.

More the lack of faith people have in promises made about Shiva and the time it will take for these promises to come to fruition.

From what Riddari says, November 3rd looks HIGHLY optimistic and, if as Rod says is true, can we really expect much to be delivered at that date?

November 3rd is a really big day for a LOT of players who are hoping Shiva rekindles their passion for Eve.

I'd rather know now that it's going to be delayed and/or a partial release.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:14:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Originally by: "Riddari"
Once it does ship, a lot more new bugs will be found, petitions will flow, accounts will be cancelled and the majority will grit their teeth and hope to make it until things are ironed out.


And you didn't get used to that by now? Shocked
I've quit 2 times allready Cool


Ah so it's more like a hobby for you guys. Now I get the point! "Teh suX! Lezz g0 and come back l4t3rrrr!"

Seriously just be sure to come back cause the corpHQ forums will be pretty boring without idiots trying to join you and other idiots trying to flame you cause you spanked em. Those threads are always a great read for an ordinary mortal like me ugh

Err... I'm hijacking the thread... no wait:

I don't know if this is actually a sign of times. I still have very high hopes for POS to spice up PvP in many ways. That's because I believe that a large part of the boredom in PvP comes from the fact that no corp in the game has a home that one can attack. It's like Command & Conquer without bases Neutral

Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:15:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Hakera on 07/10/2004 11:16:37
I hardly think that the fact m0o are going into hibernation sounds like the end of all things.

Of course people get bored when playing MMORPG's, Your playing the same game for many months you need a break and time away just to have a change.

Shiva I doubt will not be anywhere as bad as castor was, from my testing of it and moon mining introduced today I am very impressed. There are a few features which I wanted which have not made it (yet) to shiva such as a consentual war option.

Some people dont wont to ride out the rough seas right after shiva is ported, thats fine, a lot of people will baton down the hatches and wait for a few patches down the line when stability and game balance is restored after much feedback and data mining.

I hardly think the skies are falling however Josh! Neutral

Nac MacFeegle
Argyll Manufacturing
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:19:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Nac MacFeegle on 07/10/2004 11:21:56
I'll say it once, I'll say it again...

If you want to complain about devs giving misinformation and ignoring a playerbase, and patches blowing up in peoples faces, go play Star Wars Galaxies for a few months.

You'll run screaming back to EVE.

Nac MacFeegle
Argyll Manufacturing
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:20:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Nac MacFeegle on 07/10/2004 11:22:51
Ignore this post. Fnord.

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:21:00 - [13]
 

Hakera,

it's more about being fed up of empty promises. I've been planning to write a large posting named "EVE: Going critical" for a while where I throw together points about the overall handling of EVE and it's players.

Wondering if I should publish it after or before Nov 3rd...

As stated, probably most m0o members are or will be in other corporations, many will rough it out... when it hits, we're allready nearly a year late.

Sally
Caldari
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:22:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Sally on 07/10/2004 11:24:38
Joshua, you really need to get some patience.

And m0o is not an indication for the game in any type. They are just a small piece of a big puzzle like you and me too.

Rather than spending my time on some theoretical thoughts on Shiva I prefer to play the game is it is right now and I'll log in to Shiva when it ships. I'll be suprised, I'll adapt, I'll have fun.

I have the feeling that you want to know how it will work right now.

Hell, I even bet some of you guys are trying PvP on Chaos/Singularity to perform better on TQ.

My condolences.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:22:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Seleene on 07/10/2004 11:24:31
Hi everyone. Here's a little gift from my thread down in the Shiva forums:

Take a look at this.

You may now return to Carebear Land, also known as Shiva. Laughing


EDIT - Sally, I'm doing the best I can to do just what you said, but this pic has got me really ****ed. Confused

Severe McCald
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:24:00 - [16]
 


Josh, face reality, you do know now. Laughing

It will be late. It will be bugged. Many people will be unhappy Mad.

If you are bored and only waiting for Shiva, take a break.

Severe

Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:27:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 07/10/2004 11:24:31
Hi everyone. Here's a little gift from my thread down in the Shiva forums:

Take a look at this.

You may now return to Carebear Land, also known as Shiva. Laughing


Its a bug presumely which CCP may/may not know about assuming someone did a BR for it.

As for merc corps - well works both ways, you get a lot more targets in safe space, but you get a lot more heat, sorta like taking on Nato, every country has freinds (sort of). But I'll write in your original thread about wars and stuff.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: "Riddari"
it's more about being fed up of empty promises.


Yeah, that's indeed something I'd rather not have experienced in my time around here Neutral When I joined the game shortly after release they told us POS were due some three weeks down the road. That would've been about a year and a month ago if I recall right.

But on the other hand I can only admire the open info policy here. On other games you hardly get any information at all and if you get anything, it's mostly short noticed of what will change. No discussions... you just get slapped with features and whether you like em or not doesn't really play a role.
In Eve I actually have the impression that the users do have influence on how the game is developed and that in itself makes up for a lot of the missed deadlines IMO.

Maybe they should just stop sharing deadlines so people won't be disappointed when features are delayed.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:28:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Seleene on 07/10/2004 11:31:40
Originally by: Hakera
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 07/10/2004 11:24:31
Hi everyone. Here's a little gift from my thread down in the Shiva forums:

Take a look at this.

You may now return to Carebear Land, also known as Shiva. Laughing


Its a bug presumely which CCP may/may not know about assuming someone did a BR for it.

As for merc corps - well works both ways, you get a lot more targets in safe space, but you get a lot more heat, sorta like taking on Nato, every country has freinds (sort of). But I'll write in your original thread about wars and stuff.


You sure it's a bug, Hakera? I sure hope so. It's got a lot of people rather stirred up ATM. Laughing

Also, I just want to say that I usually am very impressed by CCP and the way they keep us informed. It's just that there are a lot of things about Shiva that have not been well documented and I have no idea how willing CCP is willing to listen to suggestions on certian issues at this point.

Sally
Caldari
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Sally, I'm doing the best I can to do just what you said, but this pic has got me really ****ed. Confused


I can understand it.

My old behiavour pattern would get all my accounts a temporary ban from the forums, though the next warning might be even a permanent one.

I think the same on the picture as you, trust me. But I learned to laugh about some bad sides of CCP. Perfection would suck.

And yeah, I am carebearing my sec rating back now to -1.9, cause I expected something else, but if this picture goes live, then I'll go to Yulai and attack everyone in front of the DED station until my clone goes back to 0 skill points.

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:32:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 07/10/2004 11:24:31
Take a look at this.



That better not be the final state of affairs after Shiva is launched. I'm all for a more consentual war option, but non-consentual war has to remain if Eve is to stay the same game at heart Confused

Shiakarma
Minmatar
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:37:00 - [22]
 

The only reason m0o is going into hibernation is that CS:Source is out today Wink

They'll all be back when they find out CS is the same as it always was Very Happy

Oosel
The Riot Formation
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2004.10.07 11:47:00 - [23]
 

i think for old beta players the tedium now involved in the wait is stretching even the most patient......factor this in with the fact ccp will wringe every last drop of the current game out that they can before bringing in shiva as it makes business sense they have loads of goodies in the larder but will trickle them out in their opinions just enough to keep you all paying...this i dont mind as ive not yet fully tried all there is in eve as the northern territories still fill me with dread enough to keep me out of there for now.

Thraxll
Minmatar
D'Ahrk Prophesy
Posted - 2004.10.07 12:00:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 07/10/2004 11:13:03
It's not the boredom I was highlighting, really.

More the lack of faith people have in promises made about Shiva and the time it will take for these promises to come to fruition.



I honestly don't understand where all this "I'm getting over Eve because Shiva isn't here yet" stuff is coming from. When I first got a trial account a short 10-12 (I forget) weeks ago, I knew nothing about Shiva; hadn't even heard of it. So naturally, I didn't buy into this game (2 accounts, at that) because of any expactations whatsoever that anything was going to change; I bought Eve because of how Eve is right now. Were you guys told that things would be like they're to be in Shiva when you bought your accounts? I don't intend to sound like a smart-aleck, I just don't get why anyone would quit or threaten to quit over a delayed expansion that was never part of what you signed on for, anyway.

I yearn to understand! Very Happy


Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
Posted - 2004.10.07 12:06:00 - [25]
 

Have to admit.

That screen shot of illegal war fills me with dread.

Taking it too far, eve is all about conflict, the very nature of corperate competiton.

Not too many ways to do it in eve.

Anyway, side from which, unless you do something to upset the competiton, who goes to war anyway, apart from the alt brigade.

Shiva, just let it come, it's whatever floats your boat realy.

Bound to be some of it don't like, wars includedLaughing

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2004.10.07 12:08:00 - [26]
 

Quote:
Were you guys told that things would be like they're to be in Shiva when you bought your accounts?


No. We were told things would be much more than Shiva. When you've been around for more than a year, that can annoy you enough to consider leaving the game.

Bohr
Posted - 2004.10.07 12:22:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 07/10/2004 11:13:03
It's not the boredom I was highlighting, really.

More the lack of faith people have in promises made about Shiva and the time it will take for these promises to come to fruition.

From what Riddari says, November 3rd looks HIGHLY optimistic and, if as Rod says is true, can we really expect much to be delivered at that date?

November 3rd is a really big day for a LOT of players who are hoping Shiva rekindles their passion for Eve.

I'd rather know now that it's going to be delayed and/or a partial release.



Think this is a normal reaction, from a player who've been with the game from day one. When you more or less have tried everything in the game, you automatically start searching for new frontiers or endavours.


So when something is not delivered on time, everything you've worked up for and looked forward to, kind of rambles and you quite easily tend to feel set-back.


I've done it the other way around, and said Shiva is ready when it's being patched on TQ, and in the mean-time I'll try to have as much fun playing the game as possible. May be harder for a vet, but if so, take a break from the game and come back to enjoy hopefully a richer EVE experience with Shiva.


And yea, remember to set a long skill training if you do.

Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
Posted - 2004.10.07 13:54:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 07/10/2004 11:24:31
Hi everyone. Here's a little gift from my thread down in the Shiva forums:

Take a look at this.

You may now return to Carebear Land, also known as Shiva. Laughing


EDIT - Sally, I'm doing the best I can to do just what you said, but this pic has got me really ****ed. Confused



I like that feature too many young corps get wasted cause some jerks in BS's can declare a war on them now. Why? They are not in compition on the market...They dont hold vital shipping lanes...They dont control vital hanger space...Just cause they fly a BS and the noobs fly frigs and low end cruisers....HORSE STUFF!!!




XeQtR
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.10.07 14:05:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: XeQtR on 07/10/2004 14:09:49
I actually doubt there is much CCP can do about it.
M0o has been pvp-ing and pvp-ing only since day 1.
Eventually boredome is unavoidable no matter what the developers do. I can't believe I'm still around after all this time but my "advantage" is I've only been pvp-ing for 11 months. Either way I've never played any game for this long except CS back in the days Embarassed Moving on to other games is only natural.

Even when I started CS back in early 2000 the oldtimers were worried about changes and how many ppl were quitting the game out of boredom and how it would soon die if drastic changes wasn't done. Nothing drastic was done and CS is still around to my amazement.

Stevie Wonder
Posted - 2004.10.07 14:50:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Sally
Edited by: Sally on 07/10/2004 11:24:38
Joshua, you really need to get some patience.

And m0o is not an indication for the game in any type. They are just a small piece of a big puzzle like you and me too.

Rather than spending my time on some theoretical thoughts on Shiva I prefer to play the game is it is right now and I'll log in to Shiva when it ships. I'll be suprised, I'll adapt, I'll have fun.

I have the feeling that you want to know how it will work right now.

Hell, I even bet some of you guys are trying PvP on Chaos/Singularity to perform better on TQ.

My condolences.


OH MY GOOD GOD !!!

This is from someone who: Threatened to quit about 50 times, flamed the forums day after day about crap CCP was and how their game sucked and was a carebear fest, then did quit, then came back and made a new character, then flamed the boards some more about how crap CCP were at making a PVP game and how ultra consent carebear EVE is.

Rolling Eyes with a capital Rolling Eyes


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