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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.08.06 12:07:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/08/2009 12:10:12


Oh I see now the issue has already been resolved, never the less, here is my original transmission:

Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Quote:
Starkmanir refugees who, despite all, hold to the Amarrian faith


What the hell? This is the lot we bombed Yulai for, blowing all chances for a peaceful future, risking everything we had?

I thought the article you quoted was talking about some Starkmanir refugees, not all.

Given their long captivity, it is inevitable that some should seek the path of least resistance, wanting to believe the Amarr slave owners are right, wanting to find some purpose in their suffering. We should be patient with such victims.

Merdaneth
Amarr
Defensores Fidei
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.08.06 12:57:00 - [32]
 

Are there those that believe the Starkmanir faith is less worthy to be recognized or preserved by the way it came about?

Does anybody think a Starkmanir believer get less from his faith than another?

Does anybody feel these Starkmanir are weak, foolish, traitorous or otherwise lesser kin of the Matari culture?

Does anybody think it is allright to try and eradicate the Starkmanir faith because of the way it was brought about?

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2009.08.06 13:07:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Merdaneth
Are there those that believe the Starkmanir faith is less worthy to be recognized or preserved by the way it came about?

Does anybody think a Starkmanir believer get less from his faith than another?

Does anybody feel these Starkmanir are weak, foolish, traitorous or otherwise lesser kin of the Matari culture?

Does anybody think it is allright to try and eradicate the Starkmanir faith because of the way it was brought about?


Seems the conclusion is that there is no such thing as "the Starkmanir faith", or if there is, we do not have enough information as is about it to draw any sort of conclusions.

Elsebeth

Robert Kauliford
Kauliford Trading
Posted - 2009.08.06 15:53:00 - [34]
 

As one who has dabbled with the faith myself I'd say the Starkmanir were more not less likely. Faith allows someone to feel they belong to something greater than themselves.
Now most Matari can rely on the bonds of family, clan and ultimately tribe, this form a large group to which an individual can belong. To be blunt the Starkmanir are not the size they should be potentially leaving a void that the Amarr faith can fill.

Just my thoughts anyways

Seraph Dalesi
Posted - 2009.08.06 17:49:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Carcosa Hali
Did they even know what the word Starkmanir meant before you told them?

I'm sorry, but the Starkmanir you're thinking of exist only in history books.. all you've got is their descendants.. The tribe is going to have to be rebuilt from the ground up, so be forgiving if they don't exactly fit your mold.

After 700 years under the heel of the Amarr, many of the beliefs of all of the tribes were no doubt somewhat changed. I grew up among a mix of the tribes myself and we all had customs we had learned from our parents and elders, and they from of old. Some of these customs may have been from the days before we were enslaved in truth, and some may have been made up along the way, but all of them survived for generations and all contribute to what is now our culture. The Amarr could not take those things from us fully, not in 700 years of trying. I would hope that the extra hundred years of slavery the Starkmanir faced would not do what the first 700 could not. I have not met a Starkmanir yet myself - they seem to be scarce in Caldari space and the places off the map that I frequent - but I have faith in them as fellow Matari that there is something left of them that was worth the saving, something other than just what the Amarr wanted them to be.

Nullshadow
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.08.06 18:39:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Nullshadow on 06/08/2009 18:40:15
Not all of the Minmatar tribes were totally enslaved. Many families lived in freedom for those long centuries. We sc****d to survive and to help our lost cousins regain their freedom. We also kept as much of the old culture alive as possible. The Starkies are different - entirely enslaved, and mostly wiped out by the Ardishapur. They may have lost much more than any of the rest of us did. There may be more of their culture left in dusty databanks than among the live bodies. Only time will tell how they adjust.

Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.08.07 01:37:00 - [37]
 

The Reclaiming, slavery and genocide are all integral parts of the Amarrian faith. Those who don't agree with such things are not orthodox followers and are possibly considered to be committing heresy. How orthodox are the Starkmanir?


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