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etgfrogs
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.07.26 00:42:00 - [1]
 

Now i know the idea of a large amount of people in a tournament wouldn't work before...but now that the servers has been upgraded enough then why don't we have a tournament ment for the larger alliances that can field a full fleet of people, I'm sure there is enough alliances out there that there could be either 16 or 32 teams(start at 16 teams and increase it if there is alot more) of 256 people and I'm pretty sure there would be more then enough people that would gladly sign up for a garenteed 256 vs 256 person fleet fight.YARRRR!!

Rules could be like the regular alliance tournament except without the ship point system, just limit it to sub capital ships only, if someone decides to bring a capital ship or a faction/deadspace/officer fitted ship then they lose thier ship and don't get insurance. It should also be pretty easy for a developer to write a script that scans all ships in system for items that are not allowed and then with the whole reinforced node it would be pretty much lag free. Just limit it to either 30 minutes to 1 hour long then it could be whichever side has lost fewer ships wins. It would also be one of the first tournaments on this kind of scale and would make for some realy great videos.

Das Ende
Posted - 2009.07.26 04:38:00 - [2]
 

you didnt made it into the tournament and now you want your own tournament, where you can blob the enemys? why dont you do more pvp in the north instead.... oh, wait...

CCP Atropos

Posted - 2009.07.26 13:54:00 - [3]
 

How would you go about displaying the 512 potential pilots to the viewers at home, or commentate on it? "Fleet A is shooting Fleet B, they're still going, some ships are starting to explode now..."

Tiamat Key
Posted - 2009.07.26 14:03:00 - [4]
 

MM in stupid suggestion non-shocker.

etgfrogs
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.07.26 16:01:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
How would you go about displaying the 512 potential pilots to the viewers at home, or commentate on it? "Fleet A is shooting Fleet B, they're still going, some ships are starting to explode now..."

you could set it up as a list of ships on each side with displaying how many they had to start and how many are left, something like:
Fleet A
10 / 12 abbadon
12 / 14 armageddon
22 / 27 apocalypse
0 / 3 damnation
4 / 4 dominix
7 / 7 drake
3 / 8 guardian
0 / 2 harbinger
3 / 6 huginn
5 / 7 hyperion
5 / 12 lachesis
10 / 18 maelstrom
5 / 6 raven
6 / 16 rook
commentary could pretty much be which ship type either side is focusing on or explaining what tactic a side is using "Fleet B is focusing fire at fleet A remaining rooks while hacs are flying in the middle of the battleships using ecm burst to break up the remote repair chaining"

Brea Tharen
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.07.26 20:59:00 - [6]
 

This is getting bookmarked as my favorite thread ever.


Morsus Mihi asking for a blob tournament. That's bloody classic.


I especially like the part where they try to excuse blobs in his paragraph regarding the tactics commentary, when the reality of MM fleets is a monstrous blob all shooting primary right down the line.


Tactics my foot.

QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.07.26 22:46:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Brea Tharen
This is getting bookmarked as my favorite thread ever.


Morsus Mihi asking for a blob tournament. That's bloody classic.


I especially like the part where they try to excuse blobs in his paragraph regarding the tactics commentary, when the reality of MM fleets is a monstrous blob all shooting primary right down the line.


Tactics my foot.


No, etgfrogs is asking for a blob tournament. MM is not. I know I would hate that idea. I like having it small scale. I feel it's a truer test of ability.

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.07.26 23:02:00 - [8]
 

i don't think it's all that terrible an idea, but as atropos said there's some issues when it comes to spectating / reporting on it

256 is way too big tho, 100 per fleet sounds better to me, and you'd have to allow warping around / maneuvering, using covops and probes and bubbles, and have some victory condition you can't complete without pretty much disabling the other fleet but that you can finish easily if other side leaves you alone (forcing engagements)

probly pointless speculation tho, i don't see it happening

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.07.26 23:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
and you'd have to allow warping around / maneuvering, using covops and probes and bubbles


Agreed. Without the ability to warp out for regroups, or warp different parts of the fleet around, fights would be extremely boring. In real fleet fights, both fleets will try to dictate engagement range for as long as possible.
But there are other problems with the idea. With the amount of people suggested, it will be extremely drawn out. Even on reinfoced nodes, the gun cycling issue would let this take forever.

Feisty Kitten
Posted - 2009.07.27 00:58:00 - [10]
 

this is one pretty epic ****ing troll....get the **** out

Valator Uel
Caldari
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.07.27 09:03:00 - [11]
 

Start the tourney with 100-man fleets with no replacements for lost ships after preliminary rounds.

Preliminary stages:
1st round: 5 teams per system for a FFA brawl (4 systems total = 20 teams). The winner goes automatically to the knock-out rounds. You can retreat to a neighbouring system to fight in round 2.
2nd round: The remaining 4 (or those left over) fight with a fresh 100-man team, winner goes to knock-out rounds.

Knock-out rounds are pretty much what we used to have in the alliance tourney where the winner of round 1 fights the winner of round two from another group of teams. Teams cannot replenish ships during the rest of the tournament, this makes it more interesting and towards the end we should see small gangs fighting. Those who can adapt the best to the ships they have left and the enemies' ships should, technically, win.

/somethinglikethat

Cheekything
Gallente
Black Lance
Posted - 2009.07.27 14:41:00 - [12]
 

I'm saving my 9000 points for 3 titans lolllll doomsdays :D

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.07.29 23:04:00 - [13]
 

Screw fleet tournaments, just have GMs fraps fleet battles and present them as movies you can view via the billboards or in station screens. With the appropriate delay of course.

The make or break thing here, besides the GMs camera skills, would be the reporters brief commentary. One word wrong and that milk turns to cheese.

Xaldor
Terror Australis Incorporated Limited
Posted - 2009.07.30 02:47:00 - [14]
 

Contested space is the on-going tournament for fleets.

Tournaments should just be for small scale fighting. But I think it can be altered to be more gladiatorial than being tied to specific corps or alliances.

Despite his lack of success, I really enjoy seeing Tyrrax Thorrk's team go around.

I'd remove the corp/alliance requirement, just require a full list of team members and team name. If corps/alliances want to field just from their own corp/alliances then let them but I'd like to see people put together the best possible teams.

I'd also love to see a One vs One tournament.

GunnerySergeant Blair
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.07.30 17:07:00 - [15]
 

I sell the possible R&K Fleet Tournament slot for 20b, contact me via evemail for more detailYARRRR!!

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.08.02 17:16:00 - [16]
 

Bwahahahhahahahhaha. Comedy gold.

Minigin
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.08.03 05:01:00 - [17]
 

is anyone else not surprised by which alliances think this is a good idea (yes im looking at you mm and tcf)

soon they will be suggesting that competing teams should be allowed to negotiate with other alliances to bring another team onto the field at the same time.

this is why no one takes you seriously when you claim to know the first thing about pvp.

but mad props on being some awesome space holding alliance or whatever.

Valator Uel
Caldari
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.08.03 08:10:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Valator Uel on 03/08/2009 08:12:51
Originally by: Minigin
is anyone else not surprised by which alliances think this is a good idea (yes im looking at you mm and tcf)

soon they will be suggesting that competing teams should be allowed to negotiate with other alliances to bring another team onto the field at the same time.

this is why no one takes you seriously when you claim to know the first thing about pvp.

but mad props on being some awesome space holding alliance or whatever.



I'll bite.

The OP is suggesting a different kind of tournament which could be fund to watch if properly organised. The alliance tournament, in whatever form it is presented, does not and never will represent real pvp as ingame. Knowing that, why not try something different? What is wrong with letting others suggest different tournament settings? If a hundred ideas come through then hopefully one will be good enough for CCP and the player base. In the real world this is called brain storming, which you seem to be lacking in either. So if you cannot come up with any better ideas or a proper argument instead of a lame flame then STFU and leave the thread.

Optical Illusion
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.08.03 10:45:00 - [19]
 

Brilliant idea! I am totally behing this idea. My only worry is, how it would discriminate against those lovely little entitys who couldnt field the 256 players, but am sure we could find an idea around that.

Maybe to improve on this revolutionary idea, you could just quit the nap fest, and actually have interesting fights?LaughingLaughing


Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.08.03 13:56:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Valator Uel

I'll bite.

The OP is suggesting a different kind of tournament which could be fund to watch if properly organised. The alliance tournament, in whatever form it is presented, does not and never will represent real pvp as ingame. Knowing that, why not try something different? What is wrong with letting others suggest different tournament settings? If a hundred ideas come through then hopefully one will be good enough for CCP and the player base. In the real world this is called brain storming, which you seem to be lacking in either. So if you cannot come up with any better ideas or a proper argument instead of a lame flame then STFU and leave the thread.


Ill bite too.

Since when fleet combats are fun (or fun to watch)? Also he wants tournament of 256 players per side:
1. he forgets that he cant get that many in his own alliance. I think only 2-3 allies will be able to carry such participation. 16-32 teams of 256 players? This means its 4000-8000 ACTIVE pvpers. Hint: its impossible. Stupid MM pubbie just forgot that he had "uber fleet of 1000 players" because he had around 10-15 alliances in it.
2. having 256 players every week online. Dream on. Even if you drop to 100 players its almost impossible to get that many. Unless you want to run "CTA - tournament". Lmao.
3. noone stops you from doing this tournament inside your napfest. Start tourney, drop isk on pile, everything goes to winner. Can be epic, can be fun - oh yea but you also want "freesbies from CCP". lol.

So yeah. Idea is stupid, actually very stupid. And if you rally want "blob tournament" i refer you to point 3.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.08.03 13:58:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Optical Illusion
Brilliant idea! I am totally behing this idea. My only worry is, how it would discriminate against those lovely little entitys who couldnt field the 256 players, but am sure we could find an idea around that.



Newb. MM wont put 256 players, they dont have that many active at once. I think MAYBE goons would be able to push it if they CTA'd lol. And... duh i think i ran out of options.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.08.03 16:59:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Since when fleet combats are fun (or fun to watch)?


While this is still a stupid idea. On the rare occasions I get to see a big long fight of two huge fleets slugging it out over an hour or more (and I can think of a few), with all the effects on, I would watch that **** all day.

Optical Illusion
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.08.03 19:49:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Optical Illusion
Brilliant idea! I am totally behing this idea. My only worry is, how it would discriminate against those lovely little entitys who couldnt field the 256 players, but am sure we could find an idea around that.



Newb. MM wont put 256 players, they dont have that many active at once. I think MAYBE goons would be able to push it if they CTA'd lol. And... duh i think i ran out of options.



I Sence you missed the troll? Laughing

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2009.08.03 21:52:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Optical Illusion
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Optical Illusion
Brilliant idea! I am totally behing this idea. My only worry is, how it would discriminate against those lovely little entitys who couldnt field the 256 players, but am sure we could find an idea around that.



Newb. MM wont put 256 players, they dont have that many active at once. I think MAYBE goons would be able to push it if they CTA'd lol. And... duh i think i ran out of options.



I Sence you missed the troll? Laughing


I think so. I blame LK, he was talking something over my shoulder an in the end i didnt understand him nor you :X

DiaBlo UK
ZDK
Posted - 2009.08.04 18:38:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Valator Uel

I'll bite.

{snip}


Ill bite too.
{snip}
3. noone stops you from doing this tournament inside your napfest. Start tourney, drop isk on pile, everything goes to winner. Can be epic, can be fun - oh yea but you also want "freesbies from CCP". lol.

So yeah. Idea is stupid, actually very stupid. And if you rally want "blob tournament" i refer you to point 3.


didn't PL and NC pretty much just do round 1?

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LoveKebab
Caldari
LOST IDEA
C0VEN
Posted - 2009.08.07 12:40:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Optical Illusion
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Optical Illusion
Brilliant idea! I am totally behing this idea. My only worry is, how it would discriminate against those lovely little entitys who couldnt field the 256 players, but am sure we could find an idea around that.



Newb. MM wont put 256 players, they dont have that many active at once. I think MAYBE goons would be able to push it if they CTA'd lol. And... duh i think i ran out of options.



I Sence you missed the troll? Laughing


I think so. I blame LK, he was talking something over my shoulder an in the end i didnt understand him nor you :X

i did not ! :(

Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.08.12 18:31:00 - [27]
 

Make the fleets 50 man and even PvP corps can participate and the node can actually cope.

Make it 100 and you're talking mid-sized alliances and above, though 200 is pushing your luck for node stability.

At 256 its pretty much mega-alliances or collective blocs only, and the truth is that even a reinforced node at 500 guys is pretty crap.

Shrug, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with wanting an even t for fleet fighting.


Kyguard
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.08.13 03:59:00 - [28]
 

I'm going to organize one, but I need donations ASAP

Shi Hellu
Posted - 2009.08.13 12:58:00 - [29]
 


MM pvp? lol. "omg 2 hacs we need 3 titans" , "hey why are the rest of u guys getting board and cant fight for **** ? "

" oh well we thought these 30 t1 cruisers where gonna take over our space " " help the carries arnt enough bring more.. " " omg we killed KILLED! the cruisers and lost a shed load more isk? :(, " lets smack them for dying to our massive blob as we are ELETE "



Work on playing the game with a little more style and u wont need to make these kind of threds.


 

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