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F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.07.20 07:28:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.


And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.

Edit - tense

Thuranni
Eldjotnar
Posted - 2009.07.20 07:34:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.


You are so hardcore. I wish I could be more like you. Sad

Albert O'Balsam
Posted - 2009.07.20 11:35:00 - [33]
 

As someone who has been on the receiving end of an all night rave for 4 years running and a local authority and local police service who all say they can do nothing to stop it - I find the information in the Criminal justice and public order act very informative ;)

Also for anyone not in the UK who might not know - you have to take the "views" of the daily mail with a pinch of salt as there political standpoint is somewhat skewed into thinking the whole world is out to get them. This is the paper that famously dedicated its first 15 pages to the story about one of the royal princes going to a fancy dress party dressed as a ****. An act which was wrong - but not that wrong.

Iasius
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.07.20 12:28:00 - [34]
 

IMO the UK Daily Mail has the most insidious rhetoric. It appeals to closet right wing bigots and to a most parochial view of Brtish patriotism. Its basically the British version of Foxnews.


Kurfin
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.20 14:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Thuranni
Quote:
Andrew Poole, who was celebrating his 30th birthday, claimed police riot vans turned up before any music was played.

But police said it had been advertised on the internet as an all-night party.


So wait, all night parties are illegal in the UK?


Back in the early '90s there were lots of raves outside in the middle of nowhere, abandoned warehouses that kind of thing. The government at the time in a sledgehammer cracking nut manner outlawed gathering of more than 20 (I think it was 20, feel free to correct) people without a licence.

Often if everything is kept fairly quiet you'll have no trouble. And even if your neighbours complain you'll probably just get a warning. In this case it just seems as if Devon & Cornwall police went off at the deep end, and are now paying the PR price for it.


Cipher7
Posted - 2009.07.20 14:59:00 - [36]
 


It's not illegal to BBQ in the UK.

It's just illegal to be successful and independently wealthy.

Happiness is not illegal yet but highly frowned upon.

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.07.20 15:55:00 - [37]
 



I miss the days when you could go to the Farm Bureau and buy a box of dynamite.

Parties where so much more fun then.


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.07.20 18:58:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Kurfin


Back in the early 2009's there were lots of raves outside in the middle of nowhere, abandoned warehouses that kind of thing...



fyp

enforcement varies with the county. Some will tolerate well-run, non-obnoxious raves; others will over-react

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.20 23:23:00 - [39]
 


Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.21 00:41:00 - [40]
 


Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.07.21 15:32:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Manditory Linkage


Fixed.

Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.07.21 17:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Manditory Linkage


Fixed.
FAIL

Vaden Khale
Amarr
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.07.22 02:01:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.


And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.

Edit - tense


Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.

Edit for fail proofreading.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.22 02:04:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Vaden Khale
Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.


And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.

Edit - tense


Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.

Edit for fail proofreading.


COUGHBull****!COUGH

COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH

Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.07.22 02:06:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Vaden Khale
Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.


And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.

Edit - tense


Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.

Edit for fail proofreading.


COUGHBull****!COUGH

COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH

Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight


Well, it could have happened. One time Bill Clinton tried to use my toilet, and I held a shotgun to his face and told the commie bastard to leave my property!

Glarion Garnier
Thermal reaction
Posted - 2009.07.22 09:55:00 - [46]
 

Some pll seem to be mixed up about Act's and laws.

Good starting point would be to
get a law dictionary definition for an act.

While you are at it get definitions for legal , lawfull and legalese as well.

Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
Posted - 2009.07.22 10:15:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Some pll seem to be mixed up about Act's and laws.



They are pretty much one and the same unless you are legislating or involved in the legal process.

I can talk about the UK's drug laws or I can talk about the Misuse of Drugs Act, but for all intents and purposes they are one and the same unless the Act is being modified (by a Bill) or I am being charged under a specific section.

Vaden Khale
Amarr
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.07.22 13:35:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Vaden Khale
Edited by: Vaden Khale on 22/07/2009 02:02:21
Originally by: F'nog
Edited by: F''nog on 20/07/2009 07:28:03
Originally by: Vaden Khale
I'd like to see police try to stop me having a BBQ on my back patio. Me and the roommates will come back with a few of our 2nd Amendment items and tell the police to politely **** off and get off our property.


And then they shoot and kill you. Good job. You've successfully proven what a badass you are.

Edit - tense


Um, roommates and I have done this before? We live in the Midwest, everyone's armed, and cops know not to pull stupid ****. I've been at parties where minors were being served and cops knocked, walked in, and made sure everyone was OK, and then left. Point was not to prove to be a badass. Point was that I, and every other citizen here, has the right to have a ****ing BBQ on our property and play some music, and cops aren't going to pull stupid **** like this because of aforementioned 2nd Amendment. My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.

Edit for fail proofreading.


COUGHBull****!COUGH

COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH

Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight


COUGHcopwasstupidandtryingtoenterthroughthebackdooratnightwithoutidentifyinghimselforhavingsirensonsocouldhaveenanyonehenceoutwithgunsdrawncauseyoudonteffroundinthesticksCOUGH
Man, I got something stuck too...

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.22 15:57:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Vaden Khale

COUGHforumbreakageCOUGH
Man, I got something stuck too...


COUGHBull****againCOUGH

Irida Mershkov
Gallente
The Reformed
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.22 16:23:00 - [50]
 

Lots of Swine flu in this thread.

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2009.07.22 16:41:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Irida Mershkov
****IN RAAVES, DAMN RIGHT ITS DEVVVO TYME


the chav link is strong Shocked

Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.07.22 22:11:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
COUGHBull****!COUGH

COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH

Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight


Mikey, buddy boy, I'm the one that he's talking about. No bull**** to it.

We like to exercise our "Castle Law" rights that Kansas has in place. That includes uninvited (and unwarranted) search/seizure of properties (which is also an Amendment).

I'd just like to say you're a dumbass if you don't protect you and yours from other people AND the government.

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.07.22 22:33:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 22/07/2009 22:36:30
At a police officer's discretion, you can get arrested under suspicion of terrorism in this country, held for I believe 4 weeks without being told anything, then released back into a world you vanished from - that generally means you lose your job and possibly your house too.

Oooh, and on top of that if you're on a work Visa, as you've lost your job because you've been gone for four weeks, you immediately get re-arrested and deported.

All signed under the Labour government of this country, voted in by the voters to promote greater equality, freedom and fairness in the social system...

On top of this, the police can legally quash all forms of protest (even with violence)and censor the press.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.22 22:34:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 22/07/2009 22:42:49
Originally by: Inara Subaka
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
COUGHBull****!COUGH

COUGHuseofadeadlyweaponCOUGH

Man something seems to be stuck in my throat tonight


Mikey, buddy boy, I'm the one that he's talking about. No bull**** to it.

We like to exercise our "Castle Law" rights that Kansas has in place. That includes uninvited (and unwarranted) search/seizure of properties (which is also an Amendment).

I'd just like to say you're a dumbass if you don't protect you and yours from other people AND the government.


Allow me to state a few points as you keep trying to pathetically lie to me.

1. Officers just don't 'stroll' through the back door. I know that an officer may be place at the rear of the house in info comes up that a suspect with a warrant may be present (wouldn't want him leaving through the back door now).

2. When the Officer knocks on the front door, they announce their presence. Also lights and sirens are not always needed, it depends on the situation.

3. For vehicles they need reasonable cause for search and seizure and for houses they need a warrant.

4. However if a firearm or any other object that can cause injury to an officer in a threatening manner is presented in a threatening manner then they have full rights to subdue, disarm, and arrest the perpetrator using reasonable force and that does mean gaining entry into the residence although in most cases they will try to talk the suspect out instead. This is known as Use of a deadly weapon and the charge can even be brought up to assault with a deadly weapon if you really push your luck.

5. Castle Doctrine in Kansas implies that you may stand your ground but may only use reasonable force if necessary. Knowing that officers just don't go barging in with guns drawn this means your use of raising a firearm is not reasonable making you a murderer son.

6. My father was a Mp in the AF and later became a state trooper and then worked in the city after that. One of my best friends works at the local correctional institutions currently and is going through police training. I have conversations with all my local officers every Sunday at the gas station when they show up for breaks. I have the majority of my fathers law books. I watch way too many law enforcement shows and I'm not talking about CSI:wherever but one where they actually discuss the crime.

7. I also know that should you fire, they will fire back and there are more of them than there are of you.

8. I also know that you are an alt trying to pass off as the 'friend'.

Whats the old saying? If you lie enough times you start to believe it yourself?

Carry on with your bull****.

On an after thought if you would like to continue this little charade you can let me know what county you are in and when it happened and I'll look up the case file myself.

Vaden Khale
Amarr
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.07.23 00:00:00 - [55]
 

Not the first time we're accused of being alts, he's my roommate silly. And yeah, normal police procedure does state that. But these cops were stupid. As far as warrants go, there was a hilarious time when Inara got arrested, the cop showed up, alone, and allowed Inara upstairs to change. Inara keeps four rifles at bedside, all of which were in arms reach. Cop also allowed me to walk up behind him. Then he didn't frisk Inara and they find a knife on him at the police station. And yeah, I worked in a police station in high school, cops are ****ing ******ed for the most part. As far as your responses...

1. Procedure says not to, again, cops are ****ing ******ed.
2. No arguments there.
3. No arguments there.
4. No argument there, however if in reference to Inara pulling the rifle on the guy, he hadn't announced himself, he was alone, at night, in the sticks. You don't take chances with that ****.
5. Assuming they've properly identified themselves, yes.
6. Good for you.
7. Once again, there was one cop in both situations. Even numbers, or he was outnumbered. For the record, when Inara got arrested (lulz) we had no intention of doing anything, cop was doing his job, albeit stupidly, cause he didn't know we wouldn't have done anything. He had a warrant, went through proper procedure, all well and good.
8. You're wrong, you could ask anyone in any of the corporations we've ever been in.

As far as the county, I'm not sure, I'll have Inara post it.

Also, you have a very high opinion of the marksmanship of police. They are horrible. They are like CVA at PvP. I've seen an MP miss a deer's head from ****ing TWO FEET AWAY! I mean, srsly!? No, wasn't us that hit the deer, but my dad and I found it, and well, roadkill grill.

In summation, Michael is funny, and this entire thread has devolved into this...
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.23 00:29:00 - [56]
 

How do you not know what county you live in? Do they not post signs on the roads? Do you not have a registered vehicle or phone book?

In any case I'll wait. No county and date, then its bull****.

Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.07.23 00:37:00 - [57]
 

*takes deep breath and slips on boots* This **** is getting deep.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
1. Officers just don't 'stroll' through the back door. I know that an officer may be place at the rear of the house in info comes up that a suspect with a warrant may be present (wouldn't want him leaving through the back door now).

You're right, he didn't come inside, he came up to the back porch where there was no light; while the front porchlight was on and front door was open. It was the middle of the night, I had called in to tell them that a deer had hit me and screwed up my car. I was told an officer would stop by in the morning to write a report on it... he decided to show up that night.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
2. When the Officer knocks on the front door, they announce their presence. Also lights and sirens are not always needed, it depends on the situation.

If he would have came to the front door, I would not have ever had this problem.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
3. For vehicles they need reasonable cause for search and seizure and for houses they need a warrant.

Again, correct, but at the time I couldn't identify who it was walking in the dark.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
4. However if a firearm or any other object that can cause injury to an officer in a threatening manner is presented in a threatening manner then they have full rights to subdue, disarm, and arrest the perpetrator using reasonable force and that does mean gaining entry into the residence although in most cases they will try to talk the suspect out instead. This is known as Use of a deadly weapon and the charge can even be brought up to assault with a deadly weapon if you really push your luck.

Again, he was on my property, and he identified himself as soon as I made my presence known and he got close enough that the I could make him out. Once that happened there were no more problems.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
5. Castle Doctrine in Kansas implies that you may stand your ground but may only use reasonable force if necessary. Knowing that officers just don't go barging in with guns drawn this means your use of raising a firearm is not reasonable making you a murderer son.

I didn't know it was an officer, Reno County is known for drug production and there had been a few break-ins around that time. At the time, the closest other human was a few miles away, I wasn't taking any chances. And he was on my property, with an unknown amount of force at his disposal; as Dad always told me when I was still living there, 'better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6'.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
6. My father was a Mp in the AF and later became a state trooper and then worked in the city after that. One of my best friends works at the local correctional institutions currently and is going through police training. I have conversations with all my local officers every Sunday at the gas station when they show up for breaks. I have the majority of my fathers law books. I watch way too many law enforcement shows and I'm not talking about CSI:wherever but one where they actually discuss the crime.

So?
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
7. I also know that should you fire, they will fire back and there are more of them than there are of you.

There was one person, and I never fired, so it's a non-issue.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
8. I also know that you are an alt trying to pass off as the 'friend'.

/facepalm. No, we're not the same person. Don't believe me, ask anyone in PRETA.
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Whats the old saying? If you lie enough times you start to believe it yourself?
Carry on with your bull****.
On an after thought if you would like to continue this little charade you can let me know what county you are in and when it happened and I'll look up the case file myself.

Reno County, KS. would have been in '01-'02. No report was wrote except the one about the deer hitting my car 'cause nothing happened to report.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.23 01:06:00 - [58]
 

Ok so far I've got one guy telling me he did try to enter:

Originally by: Vaden Khale
My roommate has held a rifle pointed at a cop that tried to enter his house at night for some stupid reason and the cop backed off. Welcome to the sticks.


And one guy who said that he didn't:

Originally by: Inara Subaka
You're right, he didn't come inside, he came up to the back porch where there was no light; while the front porchlight was on and front door was open. It was the middle of the night, I had called in to tell them that a deer had hit me and screwed up my car. I was told an officer would stop by in the morning to write a report on it... he decided to show up that night.


Which would make this invalid:

Originally by: Inara Subaka
That includes uninvited (and unwarranted) search/seizure of properties (which is also an Amendment).


As he was not trying to enter. Now if the front porch light was on and the back light wasn't I have to wonder why an officer would go around back and then not knock on the door or announce himself.

Also since he didn't announce himself I'm curious as to how you knew he was back there. Further more I'm wondering why you were at your back door with a rifle. I'm also curious why he would act in a suspicious way on such a routine call (which doesn't require lights and sirens as a matter of fact).

And then there's my favorite bit which I was expecting:
Originally by: Inara Subaka

Reno County, KS. would have been in '01-'02. No report was wrote except the one about the deer hitting my car 'cause nothing happened to report.


You pointed a gun at the man and you say there was nothing to report. Laughing
I hate to tell you bud but an officers workday is recorded from the moment he logs in to the moment he goes home and information like that is very useful in the court of law.

Not to mention that date. '01-'02. Gee thanks mister, only 2 years of records to look through. We can narrow down though if you eve mail me your last name but we both already know you won't do that.

Excellent story though, I'll be sure to add it to my urban legends. If you think you can narrow down that date with an insurance claim or whatever then feel free to post it but until then its bull****.

Vaden Khale
Amarr
Damnation Angels
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.07.23 02:00:00 - [59]
 

Well, wasn't my story, got a part wrong as far as walking up to the back/going in through the back. My bad.

Also, since this is really going no where...

NO U!

DIE IN A FIRE(in game)!

BECAUSE OF FALCON!

FOFOFO!

KEKEKE!

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Inara Subaka
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.07.23 19:43:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
As he was not trying to enter. Now if the front porch light was on and the back light wasn't I have to wonder why an officer would go around back and then not knock on the door or announce himself.


No clue either, he didn't have a good reason when I asked him.

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Also since he didn't announce himself I'm curious as to how you knew he was back there. Further more I'm wondering why you were at your back door with a rifle. I'm also curious why he would act in a suspicious way on such a routine call (which doesn't require lights and sirens as a matter of fact).


Front door open, middle of nowhere, middle of the night... I heard the care a quarter mile away and figured it was neighbor from a mile down getting home from the planting. I wasn't waiting at my back door with the rifle, I saw the car pull in and start driving around the house; which led me to grab the rifle and go out the back door. And finally, you and me both; there was no reason for him to come to the back, especially considering the recent happenings in the area.


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