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Andres Talas
Posted - 2009.07.14 21:50:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Andres Talas on 15/07/2009 01:19:05
Edited by: Andres Talas on 14/07/2009 22:09:32
CCP will never do this. But this would be a better EvE, I think.

Mission Runner nerf #1

Agents spam the contracts interface for how much you are prepared to pay to do a mission for. Bids start at what they pay now - for example negative 2 million, but it's an auction if there's a bunch of mission runners out there then someone may be willing to undercut. Ah well, bad for the mission runners, good for the Agent's bottom line.

Mission Runner nerf #2

Every time a mission is completed, the Agent gets a little more fat and happy and declines in quality. Every so often, Agents get a little more desperate and increase in quality.

Ratter nerf #1

The Angel Cartel, Guristas Associates and so on get a little smarter, and go get themselves a killboard. It gets scanned each week, and they build lots of whatever ship is involved in the most kills. This ship then gets spawned more frequently. Oh, is that *another* warp scrambling frigate ?

Ratter nerf #2

Non-tackling Rats have a chance at warping off when they get into structure. Get close or bring a scrambler. Tacklers, as always, take their chances.

Ratter nerf #3

Every time a rat dies, there's a tiny increase in the system's security status. Destruction of pod-pilot vessels and non-Pirate NPCs in system available to decrease system security status. Security status, or lack thereof, "leaks" from neighbouring systems, demonstrating Concord and Empire politics at work.

Ratter nerf #4

If you have negative faction with a Pirate Faction, you can't dock at their stations. No way are we letting those Concord Mercenaries in here - it's a Domination Angel station, bud.

Ratter nerf #5

Roaming gangs of Serpentis make trouble in Angel space. Roaming gangs of Angels make trouble in Sansha space. And so on and so forth. Oh. You have the wrong hardeners and the wrong ammunition.

Ratter Nerf #6

Officer spawns get Sleeper AI. And you're all damn lucky that the various Faction Officers need that AI to keep the rest of their troops in line.

Ratter nerf #7

Chaining mechanics will change ; those 15 frigates are not a bugged spawn, it is working as intended. What was previously referred to as "chaining" may now be referred to as "hotdropping".

Ratter nerf #8

Concord no longer pays bounties in 0.0 systems. It's 0.0 - uncontrolled space. They Just Dont Care.

Insurance Nerf #1

Pend Insurance has declared losses in 0.0, or by persons involved in Concord Sanctioned conflict, or self-destruction to be Not Held Covered. If you dont know what Not Held Covered means, it means I wouldnt be expecting an insurance payout. Oh, and Pend will be keeping the payment thank you very much, as you just voided your policy.

Insurance Nerf #2

Pend Insurance, or the first party, reserves the right to decline the offer by a pilot, or the second party, to purchase insurance from the first party if the commercial judgement of the first party is that the second party is a poor insurance risk, as demonstrated by their claims history.

Ice Mining nerf #1

See Ratter Nerfs #1, #5 and #7

Mining Nerf #1

Occasional asteroids have been marked out by the local Pirate faction, and cause a beacon to be dropped that can attract attention. See also Ratter Nerfs #1, #5 and #7

Mining Nerf #2

All asteroids are moved to Gravimetric sites. There tend to be many fewer asteroids per site.

Mining Nerf #3

All asteroids have to be individually scanned to find whats in them, and how rich it is.

Mining Buff #1

Very occasionally, there's a very small Moon Minerals asteroid.

Carebear Nerf #1

Local is triggered by entering a system via a conventional stargate, or entering or leaving a station. If they didnt enter via a stargate or a station, they dont show up in local. Fear the Black Ops Cyno.


Andres Talas
Posted - 2009.07.14 21:51:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Andres Talas on 17/07/2009 10:13:23
Pirate Nerf #1

If your Negative Security status is greater than your Faction standing, you can't dock at that Concord-affiliated station. Pirate factions are not Concord-affiliated (edited for clarity)

Pirate Nerf #2

Gate guns get changed to be similar to POS guns (different sizes and types and tracking). Gates can also have the other fun POS modules, such as ECM, warp scrams, and so on.

Pirate Nerf #3

If a Gate Gun has been firing for more than (related to sec standing) minutes, then they start to load the Faction Ammo and their DPS goes up. If they are firing for more than twice this, a Concord Patrol gets called in.

Pirate Nerf #4

Concord and Gate Guns now try and pod sufficiently negative security standing pilots.

Pirate Nerf #5

You only get Sec Status returned for killing people with worse Sec Status than you. Most rats dont manage to actually kill anyone, so their Sec Status isnt particularily bad.

Pirate Nerf #6

Concord now sends roaming gangs into 0.0. If you're negative sec status, they shoot at you. The good news is Concord are now killable again.

Pirate Nerf #7

Concord may be willing to offer Special Missions to kill certain Pirate Operatives (aka other pirates with really negative standings), offering LPs, standings and large wads of cash.

Pirate Buff #1

Pirate Faction Missions now include killing Concord Mercenaries (aka ratters). These are advertised in Contracts as per Mission Runner Nerf #1. They may include specific named contracts against specifically named Concord Mercenaries.

Pirate Buff #2

Pirate Faction LPs, including those gained from ganking enemies of the Pirates under Pirate Buff#1, can be traded in for bookmarks to wormholes to hisec and/or losec, detected by Pirate Scouts. Please carefully review this in conjunction with Carebear Nerf #1.

Pirate Buff #3

Same as Pirate Nerf #7. Hey, it's a living.

Pirate Buff #4

You can now kill Concord. Concord should be expected to Blob you, unless you hit a Concord roaming gang in 0.0.

POS Fueler #1

POS no longer hold Sov, so you dont have blah hundred of them to refuel.

Sov Holder Nerf #1

To claim Sov, you need to improve the Security status in the system by systematically killing rats and destroying any Pirate POS and Installations in the system. Once Sov is claimed, <<your corp/alliance>> NPCs spawn in the system instead of pirates. Every time one finishes trundling from the belt it's in to somewhere else, you get a tiny, automatic Sov boost. When one of <<your corp/alliance>> NPCs dies, you get a tiny, automatic Sov decrease. Cynojammers and Jump Bridges are still Sov 3. Note Ratter Nerf #3 still applies, except that <<your corp/alliance>> pod pilots and <<your corp/alliance>> NPCs dying reduces your sec status, and other peoples pod pilots dying increases it.

Sov Holder Buff #1

Sov Holders get to set Sales Taxes etc in their stations, and keep the money.

Outpost Owner Buff #1

You can now put guns etc on a Station. Stations have a power and CPU budget, just like a POS.

Ex-Outpost Owner Nerf #1

A pilot with appropriate rights now has access to all hangars in that station. Including those of the ex-owners. It's *your* station dammit - what are they going to do, report you to Concord ?

Ex-Station Owner Nerf #2

Rather than shooting at them to get control, you can merely blow them up.

Moon Miner Nerf #1

Moon minerals start at 100/hour. Every so often, a deposit degrades to produce less. Decline's a *****.

Moon Miner Nerf #2

While Moon Miners are inside the POS shields, every hour small, medium and large Moon Mining drones must get from the planet back to the array to deposit the minerals. If these get blown up, well, the moon minerals are now lying in space, arent they ?

Moon Miner Nerf #3

Very occasionally, Pirate Blockade Runner spawns will drop moon minerals or moon mineral reactor product.

Moon Miner Buff #1

Every so often, new minerals will spawn on random losec/0.0 moons, to offset decline from Moon Miner Nerf #1.

Andres Talas
Posted - 2009.07.14 21:52:00 - [3]
 


Moon Miner Nerf #2

While Moon Miners are inside the POS shields, every hour small, medium and large Moon Mining drones must get from the planet back to the array to deposit the minerals. If these get blown up, well, the moon minerals are now lying in space, arent they ?

Moon Miner Nerf #3

Very occasionally, Pirate Blockade Runner spawns will drop moon minerals or moon mineral reactor product.

Moon Miner Buff #1

Every so often, new minerals will spawn on random losec/0.0 moons, to offset decline from Moon Miner Nerf #1.

Moon Miner Buff #2

Every so often, a <<your corp>> Moon Scanner NPC will spawn in systems <<your corp/alliance>> has Sov in. He or she has a chance of spamming your internal mail about a newly discovered moon minerals deposit in the system you have Sov in. Of course, you can still probe manually.

Industrialist Nerf #1

The fewer un-used Manufacturing, Research etc slots there are in a station, the higher the fee for use.

Trader Nerf #1

The more trade there is in a system, the higher sales taxes get. I mean, they shoudnt kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, but it's only an increase of 0.1% ...

Cloaking nerf #1

Cloaks now use one Strontium Clathrates to turn on, and another one every five minutes (or 15 minutes for Covops cloaks).

Titan Nerf #1

Hardworking researchers have discovered anti-Doomsday modules for Shield, Armour and Structure Tankers. They improve resists against DD blasts to 99% or so.

Titan Buff #1

Titans can now replace their technologically obsolescent DD with a conventional BFG.

Logoffski Nerf #1

It's simply declared an exploit, with all that that entails

Bibbleibble
Posted - 2009.07.14 21:59:00 - [4]
 

All except pirate nerfs 1,2 and 3 are good.

Whilst personally I have nothing against these nerfs, be braced for some lowsec players taking this badly.

Andres Talas
Posted - 2009.07.14 22:08:00 - [5]
 

Pirate tears are sweet.

Solostrom
Posted - 2009.07.14 22:25:00 - [6]
 

You know there is a lot here that is not only workable but desirable as well!

I give this thread 9/10!

captain skinback
Posted - 2009.07.14 23:11:00 - [7]
 

that is an awesome list. i would love to see this in game.

4THELULZ
Posted - 2009.07.14 23:35:00 - [8]
 

I lol'd.
Scary thing is there are some good ideas in there.

Uronksur Suth
Posted - 2009.07.15 01:01:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Andres Talas
Pirate tears are sweet.



Indeed. Actually at the very beginning I thought you were insane, but there's some pretty good ideas here.

Andres Talas
Posted - 2009.07.15 01:14:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Andres Talas on 15/07/2009 01:17:15
Thanks for the positive comments - I'd actually be interested in whether people think the same ideas are good ones, or like some but not others (quite a bit of it is about who'se ox is being gored).

I was thinking of Providence when I put in the 'this aint 0.0 no more' sec status changes ... Providence is Ammarr losec, only safer and with better rats :)

Oh yeah, and I nearly forgot

Nerf Drone Ratting #1

To keep them balanced with now non-bounty 0.0 rats, Drone BS now drop lots less Plush and Opulent

Lilla Kharn
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.15 10:31:00 - [11]
 

There are some really good ideas there. Nice troll, but seriously, I would love to see some of these put into the game. Especially the sov mechanic ones.

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2009.07.15 11:48:00 - [12]
 

Great read, thanks for posting!

Evan as a mission runner, I do like this one ->

Quote:
Mission Runner nerf #2

Every time a mission is completed, the Agent gets a little more fat and happy and declines in quality. Every so often, Agents get a little more desperate and increase in quality.

Da'Than
Interstellar Military Industries
Interstellar Trade Federation
Posted - 2009.07.15 12:38:00 - [13]
 

For the rest of my life, I will celebrate the day this list is made into a patch.Very Happy

Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2009.07.15 13:47:00 - [14]
 

Sure seems like pirates got hit harder than anyone else... a -10 not being able to dock anywhere? Really? Rolling Eyes

Kenji Hideyoshi
Gallente
Posted - 2009.07.15 13:57:00 - [15]
 

Ratter nerf #3 would enable capital ships in high-sec systems. Not that I would complain - it would be rather interesting. On the other hand, you could also risk an entire fleet of hundreds of capital ships being locked in place because the neighboring systems just passed 0.5 security due to people popping rats.

It would add some rather unfortunate alternatives to a face-to-face fleet battle.

Verlokiraptor
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.07.15 15:41:00 - [16]
 

I can just imagine an insane suicide war going on in Jita, turning it into lowsec within 15 minutes or so. That would be awesome.

I support this entire list.

Bibbleibble
Posted - 2009.07.15 15:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Verlokiraptor
I can just imagine an insane suicide war going on in Jita, turning it into lowsec within 15 minutes or so. That would be awesome.

I support this entire list.


That would win EVE tbh.

Kal Shanai
Posted - 2009.07.15 15:58:00 - [18]
 

I like the idea of dynamic true-sec depending on how many rats are killed in the systems, and true-sec in well-ratted systems "spilling over" to less inhabited systems instead of remaining static.
As for most of these nerfs, they'd break the whole economic system, and would cause lots of players to go bankrupt and just quit the game cause they cant be bothered, which are things i dont think is anywhere near CCP's area of interest.

Krennel Darius
Caldari
EON Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2009.07.15 16:16:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
Pirate Nerf #1 If your Negative Security status is greater than your Faction standing, you can't dock at that station


This is the best thing on that list

Destruction Theory
Posted - 2009.07.15 16:34:00 - [20]
 

Win

Alxea
Posted - 2009.07.15 16:38:00 - [21]
 

Yay more troll posts.

Unsuccessful Troll, Troll is unsuccessful! =(

Jade Mitch
Gallente
Posted - 2009.07.15 19:19:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Jade Mitch on 15/07/2009 19:22:00
After reading these ideas, the game seems so empty and lifeless.
Thanks a lot! Evil or Very Mad

AngryMax
Gallente
Warriors tribe
DarkSide.
Posted - 2009.07.15 22:13:00 - [23]
 

you boys need your own PVE server, with only high sec, so you can play your wow in space in absolute safety... submerging yourselves into carebear intricacies of missioning and impressing each other with your super modules in a nice safe controlled environment where your heart never pumps and u grow fat and happy without ever exposing yourself to the winds.

Concord gangs in 0.0... concord mercinaries, concord in low sec and a bunch of carebears agreeing with each other.

Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
Posted - 2009.07.16 00:10:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: AngryMax
you boys need your own PVE server, with only high sec, so you can play your wow in space in absolute safety... submerging yourselves into carebear intricacies of missioning and impressing each other with your super modules in a nice safe controlled environment where your heart never pumps and u grow fat and happy without ever exposing yourself to the winds.

Concord gangs in 0.0... concord mercinaries, concord in low sec and a bunch of carebears agreeing with each other.


Hear Hear!!! YARRRR!!

Mahn AlNouhm
The Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2009.07.16 00:47:00 - [25]
 

Unless one introduces a reasonably quick way to improve sec status or improve faction relations, basing the ability to dock entirely on standings with a particular faction would be a disaster for the game. In order for me to grind my sec status up from the brink of -10 (which, according to your nerf, means I would have precisely nowhere in game to dock up and outfit my ships. :/.), I'd have to spend literally weeks killing rats. Which, again, according to your nerf, wouldn't do that much good for me anyway.

How about this:

Rather than make it impossible to dock at a station if your faction standings are low, why not have the station automatically start firing at you when you show up, based on your standings with that faction? This would accomplish the "nerf" part without completely defecating on a legitimate play style that you don't particularly like.

Kenji Hideyoshi
Gallente
Posted - 2009.07.16 08:55:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Mahn AlNouhm
Rather than make it impossible to dock at a station if your faction standings are low, why not have the station automatically start firing at you when you show up, based on your standings with that faction? This would accomplish the "nerf" part without completely defecating on a legitimate play style that you don't particularly like.
So, the station would fire at your ship, but have no problem with you docking there, using their bathroom, pool tables and massage parlors?

And you would trust them enough to actually log off there - at the very same station which tried to blow you to pieces?

Chiralos
Merchant Princes
Posted - 2009.07.16 08:59:00 - [27]
 

As a trader I don't think there is enough trader nerfs here.

Trader Nerf # 2

Rent on station hanger space. You can store you frigates and cruisers for a few hundred or thousand ISK a month, but those millions of cubic meters of stockpiled crap are now going to cost you.

Trader Nerf #3

NPC trade routes now switch around in a similar way suggested for moon materials.

Also, I particularly like the dynamic NPC rat and SOV suggestions.


Mohenna
Caldari
Knights of the Dark
Posted - 2009.07.16 13:15:00 - [28]
 

I approve of all of this with the ONE CAVEAT

---> that the friggin' interface is actually made FRIENDLY...

I thusly agree with your introduction:

"CCP will never do this. But this would be a better EvE"

Cone Filler
Perkone
Posted - 2009.07.16 13:45:00 - [29]
 

Goon WoW alt spotted

i give it a 2/10 Laughing

Pvt Public7
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2009.07.16 14:05:00 - [30]
 

Tasty thread.
Boosting gates and nerfing Concord = bad though. Concord already have a 'deadspace' faction, DED. DED = killable, Concord = not.


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