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Vigaz
Posted - 2009.07.08 12:24:00 - [1]
 

Hi all,

I'm looking at the 10MN mwd to fit into my cruiser hull ship (actually a Falcon), but I discover that I can choose to fit 100MN AB or 10MN MWD.
From EFT top speed is almost the same, align time difference is huge (25sec 100MN AB vs 9 sec 10MN MWD).

Since I just need to reach top speed without orbiting, do you think it's possible to consider 100MN AB as an option for a Falcon?

Enden Assulu
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.08 12:25:00 - [2]
 

No.

Sera Ryskin
Posted - 2009.07.08 12:29:00 - [3]
 

Ok, let's think about this. If you take 25 seconds to align (this alone is enough of a reason for it to be a stupid idea), what do you think your acceleration time is going to be?





Here's a hint: go make a sandwich while you wait.

Akura kawanaka
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.07.08 12:42:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Akura kawanaka on 08/07/2009 12:42:15
Originally by: Vigaz
Hi all,

I'm looking at the 10MN mwd to fit into my cruiser hull ship (actually a Falcon), but I discover that I can choose to fit 100MN AB or 10MN MWD.
From EFT top speed is almost the same, align time difference is huge (25sec 100MN AB vs 9 sec 10MN MWD).

Since I just need to reach top speed without orbiting, do you think it's possible to consider 100MN AB as an option for a Falcon?



NOOOOO, step away from your fitting window....

think about the properties of a falcon:

1) powerful fleet force multiplier
2) made out of wet tracing paper

these lead to it very often being first ship to get primaried in a gang fight.

therefore which would you prefer - 9 second align or 25 second align.

and don't you have anything better to do with your CPU and power grid?

also: what's this about reaching top speed without orbiting? what are you trying to do?


Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2009.07.08 12:54:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Akura kawanaka
also: what's this about reaching top speed without orbiting? what are you trying to do?

That's the crux of the issue. If you're trying to do something kind of weird, like orbit the target at 70km as a form of speedtanking, or race to something 100km away, the AB might just work. For simply burning back to gates, or burning 30km to get from falloff into optimal, etc, the MWD will be vastly superior, as you can accelerate from zero to 75% max speed in 9 seconds, as opposed to 25 seconds.

And unless you need to run the propulsion mod for long periods, or expect to be taking oversized fire while doing so, the disadvantages of the MWD (cap and sig bloom) aren't significant.

Wai Ng'Tse
Posted - 2009.07.08 13:10:00 - [6]
 

If you're playing EFT-Online fit a 100mn AB by all means

Vigaz
Posted - 2009.07.08 13:10:00 - [7]
 

I'm just considering:

MWD can be turned off by tacklers.
AB can help you to mitigate damage (no sig radius penality).
AB doesnt have capacitor penality (MWD -20/25% cap).
100MN AB can manage 3 or 4 times more heat damage than 10MN MWD (100mn AB 5 mins vs 10MN MWD 1,5 min).
100MN requires less cap than 10MN MWD.

OFC align time is a huge drawback.

Since it is not impossible to see in eve fittings with 10MN AB instead of 10MN MWD, I'm sharing the fact that actually a Falcon can fit a 100MN AB to reduce the gap between AB 10MN and MWD 10MN at the cost of a slower acceleration (and 3x rail guns ofc :D).

VanNostrum
Posted - 2009.07.08 13:17:00 - [8]
 

how about a Citadel Torp Launcher?

Akura kawanaka
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.07.08 13:19:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Vigaz
I'm just considering:

MWD can be turned off by tacklers.
AB can help you to mitigate damage (no sig radius penality).
AB doesnt have capacitor penality (MWD -20/25% cap).
100MN AB can manage 3 or 4 times more heat damage than 10MN MWD (100mn AB 5 mins vs 10MN MWD 1,5 min).
100MN requires less cap than 10MN MWD.

OFC align time is a huge drawback.

Since it is not impossible to see in eve fittings with 10MN AB instead of 10MN MWD, I'm sharing the fact that actually a Falcon can fit a 100MN AB to reduce the gap between AB 10MN and MWD 10MN at the cost of a slower acceleration (and 3x rail guns ofc :D).


I hate to be harsh, but if you're in a falcon and you've been tackled, either you or your FC are doing something very wrong.

Falcons are not good solo ships therefore you want a gang setup. for gang fights you always want a mwd - think about the times you want to use it:
1) burn back to the gate, ready to jump
2) burn to optimal range before/during a fight
3) burn into optimal range if you're for some reason outside your jam range during a fight.

all these situations require you to get there as fast as humanly possible and therefore you'll need a mwd because the acceleration is many times faster than an AB. you'll normally only need one or two pulses of it before you reach your destination.

it would be an extremely rare situation where having an oversized AB would give you any advantage whatsoever. perhaps if you were having a race with another falcon and you needed to run your capacitor for a long time.....?

Tanis Sundowner
Posted - 2009.07.08 13:57:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Vigaz
I'm just considering:

MWD can be turned off by tacklers.
AB can help you to mitigate damage (no sig radius penality).
AB doesnt have capacitor penality (MWD -20/25% cap).
100MN AB can manage 3 or 4 times more heat damage than 10MN MWD (100mn AB 5 mins vs 10MN MWD 1,5 min).
100MN requires less cap than 10MN MWD.

OFC align time is a huge drawback.

Since it is not impossible to see in eve fittings with 10MN AB instead of 10MN MWD, I'm sharing the fact that actually a Falcon can fit a 100MN AB to reduce the gap between AB 10MN and MWD 10MN at the cost of a slower acceleration (and 3x rail guns ofc :D).


Fitting a 100mn AB on a falcon is a very bad idea. If you are in a fleet then you will have the fleet screaming at you because it is taking you nearly half a minute to align to warp to next gate/destination. When a BS with a heavy armor buffer tank can align and warp before you can that is bad.

Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
Posted - 2009.07.08 14:01:00 - [11]
 

Oversized afterburners are so 2004.

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2009.07.08 14:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Tanis Sundowner
Fitting a 100mn AB on a falcon is a very bad idea. If you are in a fleet then you will have the fleet screaming at you because it is taking you nearly half a minute to align to warp to next gate/destination. When a BS with a heavy armor buffer tank can align and warp before you can that is bad.


But the align time in question only comes to play when AB is turned on. Noone turns the speed mod on after jumping through a gate, aligning to the next one... right?

Kinda whacky idea, probably bad in most cases too. But sounds funny. Very Happy

Tanis Sundowner
Posted - 2009.07.08 14:15:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Tanis Sundowner on 08/07/2009 14:19:46
Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: Tanis Sundowner
Fitting a 100mn AB on a falcon is a very bad idea. If you are in a fleet then you will have the fleet screaming at you because it is taking you nearly half a minute to align to warp to next gate/destination. When a BS with a heavy armor buffer tank can align and warp before you can that is bad.


But the align time in question only comes to play when AB is turned on. Noone turns the speed mod on after jumping through a gate, aligning to the next one... right?

Kinda whacky idea, probably bad in most cases too. But sounds funny. Very Happy


Wrong the align time comes from the massive amount of extra mass the AB adds just for fitting it. The falcon has a mass of 12.3 million kg the 100mn adds an additional 50 million kg vs the 10mn 5 million kg. It doesn't matter if you activate the AB or not with 4x the mass it will align and accel very slowly.

LaDy PuRe
Posted - 2009.07.08 14:24:00 - [14]
 

so there may just be a possibility of a certain scenario where fitting a oversized AB over his MWD would make him look like a hero.
but for that one scenario. there would be 100x situations where him fitting the oversized AB would make him look like a ebay pilot.


brave man if you fly it imo. good luck with which scenario you land on :) Evil or Very Mad

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2009.07.08 14:51:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tanis Sundowner
Wrong the align time comes from the massive amount of extra mass the AB adds just for fitting it. The falcon has a mass of 12.3 million kg the 100mn adds an additional 50 million kg vs the 10mn 5 million kg. It doesn't matter if you activate the AB or not with 4x the mass it will align and accel very slowly.


No, any speed mod needs to be activated for it's agility reducing effect to take place. Falcon with 100mn ab turned off will align just the same as any other falcon. How useful would turning that ab on be is another story.

Just tried fitting 100mn ab on a curse. While it was off, agility felt just like curse does. Turning the ab on produced quite a funny effect, it felt as if I'm being dragged by a locomotive via a rubber band. Very Happy

Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2009.07.08 15:13:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tanis Sundowner
Wrong the align time comes from the massive amount of extra mass the AB adds just for fitting it. The falcon has a mass of 12.3 million kg the 100mn adds an additional 50 million kg vs the 10mn 5 million kg. It doesn't matter if you activate the AB or not with 4x the mass it will align and accel very slowly.

This is emphatically not true. The mass addition (and lower agility) only happens when the module is active. Aligning for warp with an inactive propulsion mod will take the same time as with no propulsion mod fitted (which EFT will show you as well if you deactivate the mod).

Regardless, I still can't think of a good situation for using an oversized AB on a Falcon. It's only really good if you need to travel in straight lines at high speed for a really long time (so that the massive acceleration time is offset) - and how often does that happen?

Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Quafe Industries
Posted - 2009.07.08 16:03:00 - [17]
 

If you're primaried with a 100mn AB on you just died, period. Will take you at least 15 seconds to align out.

The only purpose for an MWD on a falcon is to: Burn back to gates, MWD away and aligned as you jam, and to change distance mid fight in a situation where you aren't being shot at. The 100mn AB can not do any of this.

The only "advantage" of a 100mn AB would be to "speed tank" something, and by something I mean a single target, which your ECM should be already "tanking".

Is has no other uses. No one fits them on cruiser ships because it's dumb. You're better off not fitting a speed mod at all, than fitting an oversized afterburner. At least you might align fast enough to warp Rolling Eyes


Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.07.08 19:04:00 - [18]
 

There's a t3 cruiser that can have +50% Afterburner speed bonus. And there's low grade Nomad set for agility.
I was thinking of experimenting with those. These bonuses are quite significant.

Of course on Falcon it would be worthless


 

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