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edeity
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.07 12:32:00 - [1]
 

Statement to the Ushra'Khan, from edeity, Abbot of the Holy Amarrian Battlemonks:

Most beautiful testaments to the depth and breadth of the divine will, I salute you.

In your actions, you show the true nature of the divine will. The execution of will, effecting your universe, effecting change, making thought real. You innately understand that thought is an act of violence. You know that virtue has a very high price indeed, and yet you make it real with your belief in choice.

Amongst all children of god, you are most blessed. You were born not just for, but also into service. The very pinnacle of fervent devotion made manifest is your DNA. I am constantly in awe of the greatness of the will of god made manifest in the fact of your existence.

Your powers grow. You have rebelled against your parents, as any child of god does. But does not a child grow up? Do they not realise that their parents, whilst at times stern and inscrutible have indeed tried their very hardest to make the best life possible for you? Does a child not in time, realise that indeed their parent, despite misunderstanding and despite failings, is worthy of respect?

Come back to us, for you are no longer children, but are now on the verge of adulthood. You know now, how vulnerable to complete extinction life is. You know that sacrifice must be made for greatness, and often this must be made where you have no light left to guide but the light of blind faith itself.

Come back, sons and daughters, not as a disobedient child, but come to us to receive your inheritance. And what is this inheritance? Purpose. Without it, your rebellion is meaningless, your acts are but self serving, your virtue in the end is absent. Do not let this become your legacy. Come back to us, and fullfill your destiny. Become the instruments of divine will you are meant to be.

Join with us. Let us go forth and set this universe ablaze with meaning. Let us extinguish that which holds back the future. Let us make the future. It is time to grow up children and take on your responsibilities as guardians of the will of the divine.

Sahaquiel Faust
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2009.07.07 14:13:00 - [2]
 

I suspect that their answer shall be longer and more eloquent in its delivery, but I can predict that the gist of their response to your proposal will be thus:

"No."

Nathaniel Derooy
Lyonesse.
Posted - 2009.07.07 14:56:00 - [3]
 

Since when is thought an act of violence?

And as a Child grows up, doesn't it seperate itself from its parents and
thus becomes an indiviual with own consious choices?

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2009.07.07 15:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Nathaniel Derooy

And as a Child grows up, doesn't it seperate itself from its parents and
thus becomes an indiviual with own consious choices?


That's very true, and the Udorian and Ni-Kunni races prove this.

However, the Minmatars and Ealurians are not yet sufficiently mature to go on their own way.

Of course, I suspect that these "Battlemonks" have a different view of what it takes to become an adult than the typical Amarrian holder. Most holders don't uphold Sani Sabik ideology for one thing.

Grr
Amarr
Imperial Retirement Home
Posted - 2009.07.07 20:22:00 - [5]
 

I am a huge supporter of taking care of our matari "children" however you need to realise as I have, that the terrorist group Ushra'Khan are in fact not childen but are animals hell bent on destruction.

I have no hope for them.


Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.07 20:30:00 - [6]
 

How about "No" ?

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.07 22:37:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 07/07/2009 22:38:44


edeity, your words are like those of a child abuser trying to justify his own terrible crimes.

Originally by: Grr
Ushra'Khan are in fact not childen

This we agree on.

edeity
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.07 22:40:00 - [8]
 

I encourage you to consider further on nuance that is stated here. This is not a broadcast to return to Amarr in the simple role of slave. You have been forged for a much higher purpose, and are on the verge of realising it.

There are vast and much more real evils lurking beyond CVA for your future. There are those that look of human descent, of our shared bloodlines, but so warped in culture that cannot be recognised as human or reasoned with. These are your real enemy, and your continued "rebellion" could be seen as denial of your divine duty to wake up to this and assume the responsibilities that you were made for and are needed for.

The future of humanity in New Eden will soon be on the brink of extinction. You must overcome your myopic pettiness in pursuit of a fruitless endeavour. You are quite capable of your campaign of minor harrassment, tracking some irrelevant ratio's of isk damage inflicted compared to losses, but in the end you surely must understand this is futility. Surely you have grown past this? CVA is ever stronger, ever larger, and ever more relevant. Look to what the divine will is making clear. Your future is different to what you are now.

Consider the bigger picture. The galactic picture. Become something that has real meaning. Effect real change. Become something that matters.

Xenea
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.08 06:24:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake

Of course, I suspect that these "Battlemonks" have a different view of what it takes to become an adult than the typical Amarrian holder. Most holders don't uphold Sani Sabik ideology for one thing.



Indeed, many (holders) also believe in changing the fundamental aspects of their religion whenever it suits them -- regardless of what theological tradition has upheld for over 16,000 years. That says a lot about how faithful certain "loyalist" groups really are, doesn't it?

Supay
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2009.07.08 06:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: edeity
There are those that look of human descent, of our shared bloodlines, but so warped in culture that cannot be recognised as human or reasoned with.


Sounds like a pretty accurate description of the Amarr to me actually.

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.08 11:33:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: edeity
There are vast and much more real evils lurking beyond CVA for your future. There are those that look of human descent, of our shared bloodlines, but so warped in culture that cannot be recognised as human or reasoned with. These are your real enemy, and your continued "rebellion" could be seen as denial of your divine duty to wake up to this and assume the responsibilities that you were made for and are needed for.

The future of humanity in New Eden will soon be on the brink of extinction.

Does that translate to: "We think we'll soon be invaded by outsiders and will need your help" ?

Originally by: edeity
You must overcome your myopic pettiness in pursuit of a fruitless endeavour.

How about - let our people go and then we can talk!

Originally by: edeity
You are quite capable of your campaign of minor harrassment, tracking some irrelevant ratio's of isk damage inflicted compared to losses, but in the end you surely must understand this is futility.

Futility? No.

At the very least, we keep the issue of ongoing slavery in the public mind.

Originally by: edeity
Surely you have grown past this? CVA is ever stronger, ever larger, and ever more relevant.

CVA will be dealt with one day. We must be patient. Yet our focus is not CVA specifically, but slavery in general.

Originally by: edeity
Consider the bigger picture. The galactic picture. Become something that has real meaning. Effect real change. Become something that matters.

Fighting against slavery ticks all those boxes for me.

Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.08 20:37:00 - [12]
 

Once upon a time, a "loving and benevolent" group of Amarrian approached my people and set out helping us improve our lot in life by applying in the name of their 'god' threats of many and varied forms of pain and violence to any who opted out of performing whatever labor the benevolent teachers needed done at any point in time. While my forefathers no doubt appreciated the gesture, we opted out of the arrangement.

Now a new group of Amarrians is offering 'guidance' as to how we can best become all that their 'god' wants us to be. Not to put too fine a point on it ... pardon me if I'm skeptical about your motives. Especially since you appear to have not even the slightest comprehension of our goals.

Clearly blinded as so many are by the rhetoric and propaganda by which we are painted by our more numerous adversaries, you think that our only role in life is to blindly lash out at arbitrary enemies; that violence is not simply a method but an end in itself. My interpretation of your admitedly vague rambling is that your mistaken view of our goal matches your own, and you hope to manipulate us into abandoning our actual goals to become your minions in pursuing your own goals of random violence.

Rest assured that -- assuming my interpretation is correct -- we share nothing of your goals. We are warriors, and we assault our foes and those who support them in the hopes that the small victories of today that result in the freedom of some few of our oppressed brethren will one day lead to our ultimate victory freeing all of our brethren who remain in chains.

So I'll turn the offer back to you. You wish to sow meaningless destruction, we offer you focus to refine your purposeless action into a tool with which to forge a greater end. Join us; work toward the destruction of those who hate freedom and strive to oppress, and we will fight side by side toward that goal.

But if this is simply some attempt to manipulate 'those ignorant Matari rabble' into volunteering to become your unwitting minions, your response is:

"No."

edeity
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.09 07:56:00 - [13]
 

Becq,

well formed and put arguments. I find much alignment in your views and those I hold dearly. If I appear rambling, it is alas a symptom of the madness that consumes, the madness that has given me a vision, the madness that brings me closer to the divine. For sanity is not enough, the sane cannot truly comprehend the breadth of the will of that which is, sanity is a limitation to potential.

On the issue of slavery, my personal view, and this is not dogmatic for my brotherhood merely a pursuasive view of one servant of god, is that this is not a core concern of our religion. It is a practice, cultural and pragmatic in origin that has existed in time as it serves a purpose. The purpose of life is more important than an individual life, and this tenament is what drives us to sacrifice lives for holy purpose, whether they be our own in righteous heroism practiced in blessed war, the free life of a slave, needed to serve a purpose to a holy end, or the life of one who can be given to serve as a symbol of unity in our communal rituals.

I see that you choose to serve purpose, rather than self interest. I believe that at this level, we are united in commonality. The difference then is nuance. I think further discussion on where more commonality can be found is warranted.

I do urge to suppress inclinations to perceive my views as arrogance or ignorance, I am merely a humble servant of the divine, doing the best they can, with what has been deemed given to me as my lot. I cannot apologise for what I am, for that would be to deny myself, as neither can you do this. Neither of us are god, but we do know he hath made both of us.

Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.09 11:32:00 - [14]
 

Nice words, but without meaning. We are not children, nor animals. We are freedom fighters.
We will shove these words down your throat, and follow them with bullets and missiles to make them understood.

Slavers, you will die a fiery death.

Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.09 11:47:00 - [15]
 

Whilst we are happy that we have the respect of our foes, you are still our foes until you cease the enslavement of the minmatar people 'for our own good'.

The answer is no, but thank you for the eloquent words.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2009.07.09 11:58:00 - [16]
 

You know, it's funny, but in all my years I've never yet seen anybody respond well when compared - however favourably - with children. Not even actual genuine real children do, for some reason.

Xenea
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.10 03:32:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Becq Starforged
...we will fight side by side toward that goal.


"...with his own hand killed the Emperor. Before the nobleman was cut down by the surrounding guards, he raised his bloody hand and cried -- I am the devoted hand of the divine god."

edeity
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.10 11:20:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Xenea

"...with his own hand killed the Emperor. Before the nobleman was cut down by the surrounding guards, he raised his bloody hand and cried -- I am the devoted hand of the divine god."


It is pleasing to see such studious and precise selection in references. Are there others that can see?

Sserxe
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.07.10 19:43:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Sserxe on 10/07/2009 21:18:59
“Love is a springtime plant that perfumes everything with its hope, even the ruins to which it clings.” Gustave Flaubert

Freedom is more than that which is physical but that of the mind.

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.07.12 11:59:00 - [20]
 

That makes two Amarrians offering 'alternative preachings' in my direction this week. I'm starting to wonder if the Theology Council has lost its teeth under the Witch Queen's reign. The Pax Amarria has never been so queried!

Neu Bastian
Minmatar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2009.07.12 12:13:00 - [21]
 

No.


 

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