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Zuhlaetah
Posted - 2009.07.02 01:19:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Zuhlaetah on 02/07/2009 01:31:43
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So you believe its legitimate to shoot it at a gate, but not at a belt. This is self interest at its finest



Because both them and me (who am actually a possible victim of them since I also haul T2 stuff to sell) are not a blind grasshopper who only care of today's cheap fun.
They see the future, where your kin gets bored in some weeks and switch to the new fad, while they may get a permanent nerf.


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You are confusing noir's desire to clarify the rules, with an actual rule. How about you research the actual rule...



Their "desire" is not because they wanted to pass some fun time with the GM, it is because it's borderline with the actual rule.


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You considered actually flying your ship, but decided that yield was more important



I decided that income below a certain thresold makes the business not viable. It's not an hard concept to get, you just fail to count beans again and again.

Below 9M per hour it's just a waste of time, enjoy your contrived acrobatics to stay alive, day after day.
In the mean time my trader beats 3 miners at getting minerals for the same cost of opportunity with your unpractical constrictions, so I'll use that quite excellent other profession.

Others, without a trader, may opt to just switch to missioning or stop playing.


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In practice most suiciders are not all V players, nor do they all land at optimal, nor do they all fire precisely at once, and they frequently fail to scram ships that are already at 75% speed. Its only guaranteed when the hulk stands still.



Yes but if you do 5400 alpha at V and just 5000 alpha at IV and can do 2 cycles, the result is identical.
Only an hulk with hardeners and stuff and a retriever alike yield can get a tank to survive that. At this point it's just more practical to switch to an actual retriever and enjoy the dwarf income.


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No, they focus on it, because its profitable and easy. Oh look a hulk spawned!



By your definition, I suppose homeless are profitable as they earn positive income by taking up used cans to resell them.

Then, what other profession earns less than a miner or can be defined as not profitable?


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I've already explained how to be difficult to kill.



Don't think it can be called "difficult to kill". It more "it's still a lolkill but they have to sadly comply with the game policies and actually lose ship and status".
Now, I'd be GLAD to lose hulks if you really could not circumvent game mechanics and also lost 70-80M of yours per kill. THEN it'd be cool, because for once your words would not be cheap and leveraging on game mechanics removing every downside on your part. So cheap to preach how EvE is hard when not losing anything, isn't it?


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For one hulk, same system station, a single iteron II can keep up with the output of 1 hulk with no GSCs.



If you talk about free indys, it's because you talk about people who use them (duh!) and thus people with 2+ Hulks.
With maxed skills and T2 everything I can keep a skill IV indy pretty busy, expecially since the systems I choose often lack of any station (because those with stations are bursting full of you gankers, correctly assuming most miners go in systems with stations).


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eh, you stand still and what do you expect. You can bump the flipper with the hulk



Sure, I just need a 8 low slots super-nanoed hulk to steer and go bump him before my sons got their PhD.


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But no, its yield yield yield, and never acknowledge the other player



No, it's called cost of opportunity. I am not a "minerals are free" tard and I have other, competitive characters to use in case any of the others stop being useful.
Of course the fact I have to ditch characters who took months to be so good is not taken with joy.

Zuhlaetah
Posted - 2009.07.02 01:20:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: Zuhlaetah on 02/07/2009 01:45:31
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It was rare a couple of posts ago. And didn't drop in missions. Now its common



Maybe "rare" is a concept that scales with my need for millions of it and still it's not in most belts or missions?

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The first rule of eve is to never fly what you can't afford to lose



And the second is to never do something that is not worth it.
Once I fly something worse, I may as well contract a wholesale mineral provider and fix the whole matter at once!
Too bad other miners don't have this volume and their only solution is to suck it up and downgrade till your precious majesties switch to the next activity of the month.

In this very second of writing, near me there's a former hulk pilot in a retriever and another in a *hurricane* with mining lasers and drones.
I suppose reducing people in this state makes you feel warm inside, to feel like a man.


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You chose to be a miner, aware of the income differences

Once you own the hulk there is little to further invest in, so its all free cash (which is the appeal), where as mission runners tend to continue and overcapitalise their ships



Once again you go off a tangent.
Besides I would not exactly call my next ships (Orca and Rorqual) exactly "little to further invest in".

I did not choose to be a miner. I ALSO have 3 miners. I expect and demand off V skilled specialists in a certain sector to perform better than non specialized alternatives (ie trading) else training and fitting them was just a waste.
If this cannot be accomplished I simply deal with it by deactivating 3 accounts and using other channels.

Again, I am a lucky situation, others will deactivate their one account.

Moreover I know this truth has to hurt but not everyone rolled an EvE character to be a leet PvPer.
While I am not one of them, I can relate with the need to relax sometimes in something unprofitable but relatively trouble free.

After all it's part of the package: you earn less of any other profession => you get the less hassle.

If someone has suddenly to employ well beyond low and 0.0 sec sweaty counter-meausures to still earn less than any other profession, the deal is broken and the guy goes onto something else not EvE. Also, the "high sec" definition, when you have to work harder to stay alive than in backwater low sec (where as some rare one enters in local you can warp to a station) ceases to have a meaning and becomes a farce.
Sure, EvE is all unconsensual PvP and stuff but if you enter a place called "high sec" you want to have an easier life than being in low and 0.0 sec.

Else, and I am FINE with it, remove high sec completely so I never get more than 1-2 known people in local and can mine better than in your "particular concept" of high sec. Of course being the game all low and 0.0 sec will cause a mass quit wave beginning with you Sunday's High Sec Heroes, but aren't you after this after all? Or you really believe other people play the game to be your personal puppet?

Tauranon
Gallente
Weeesearch
Posted - 2009.07.02 04:51:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Tauranon on 02/07/2009 06:35:47
Originally by: Zuhlaetah

They see the future, where your kin gets bored in some weeks and switch to the new fad, while they may get a permanent nerf.



lol, untanked autopilot haulers have been shot at hisec gates since the dawn of time. I'd imagine even CCP employees have got in on the act. Its never going to change, no matter how many 2 days off trial wannabe traders lose the lot.

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Their "desire" is not because they wanted to pass some fun time with the GM, it is because it's borderline with the actual rule.


In other words, you have no idea.

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I decided that income below a certain thresold makes the business not viable. It's not an hard concept to get, you just fail to count beans again and again.

Below 9M per hour it's just a waste of time, enjoy your contrived acrobatics to stay alive, day after day.
In the mean time my trader beats 3 miners at getting minerals for the same cost of opportunity with your unpractical constrictions, so I'll use that quite excellent other profession.

Others, without a trader, may opt to just switch to missioning or stop playing.



Trading (and its cousin scamming) makes more money than any other scheme, period, and you don't need a specialised 'trader'. Mining or mission running is what you do whilst waiting for orders to process if you are a trader.

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Yes but if you do 5400 alpha at V and just 5000 alpha at IV and can do 2 cycles, the result is identical.
Only an hulk with hardeners and stuff and a retriever alike yield can get a tank to survive that. At this point it's just more practical to switch to an actual retriever and enjoy the dwarf income.




A reasonably fitted hulk (with DCU) will stand 3 cycles of that dps, because its in motion, and they won't get EFT perfect dps (even if they have perfect skills), and the reasonably fitted EHP is 16k. I'd be likely out of optimal too, just because of the time spent in warp, whilst my hulk moves - ages their BM. Thats 2 BCs and a 3rd required character to get the BM. Besides, they'll just find another hulk thats standing still and shoot it, because its just plain easier than all the screwing around to perfect the drop in on an aligned and obviously alert pilot who may go to warp before they are allowed to lock.

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By your definition, I suppose homeless are profitable as they earn positive income by taking up used cans to resell them.

Then, what other profession earns less than a miner or can be defined as not profitable?



Nope, but how about them hulk pilots with a cap recharger, a rock scanner and no other mids, but somehow can afford t2 rigs and t2 strips, and aeodes. Those virtual used cans can't be doing too badly now can they.

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Don't think it can be called "difficult to kill". It more "it's still a lolkill but they have to sadly comply with the game policies and actually lose ship and status".
Now, I'd be GLAD to lose hulks if you really could not circumvent game mechanics and also lost 70-80M of yours per kill. THEN it'd be cool, because for once your words would not be cheap and leveraging on game mechanics removing every downside on your part. So cheap to preach how EvE is hard when not losing anything, isn't it?



The fact that you fly a 100mil hull and fit 75mil of crap, badly, is not the pirates fault. Use a covetor if you think you are likely to get caught. Use a hulk if you can mitigate the risk to the point of making more money with the hulk, or don't fly anything at all if you get too butthurt over a ship loss.

Tauranon
Gallente
Weeesearch
Posted - 2009.07.02 06:34:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Tauranon on 02/07/2009 13:11:51
Originally by: Zuhlaetah
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For one hulk, same system station, a single iteron II can keep up with the output of 1 hulk with no GSCs.



If you talk about free indys, it's because you talk about people who use them (duh!) and thus people with 2+ Hulks.
With maxed skills and T2 everything I can keep a skill IV indy pretty busy, expecially since the systems I choose often lack of any station (because those with stations are bursting full of you gankers, correctly assuming most miners go in systems with stations).




and you talk about it as if the only arrangement is that 1 player has 4 accounts, and does everything himself. This character (verifiably) flies iteron Vs, I've hauled more than my fair share of things. Whilst CCP is happy to collect your 4 account revenues, they aren't going to rearrange the rules to protect your ships for you.

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eh, you stand still and what do you expect. You can bump the flipper with the hulk



Sure, I just need a 8 low slots super-nanoed hulk to steer and go bump him before my sons got their PhD.



You have 2 ships, you need to arrange it such that the flipper is more than 1600m away from a can for 3 seconds, or a few kms away from both ships, at a timing that suits yourself and not him. You are surrounded by asteroids that you can choose the course through as well, and you can warp to an SS if he is persistent and attentive, and you can throw out another can 5kms away if you foxed his can out.

Either that or drop a GSC and transfer through that.

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But no, its yield yield yield, and never acknowledge the other player


No, it's called cost of opportunity. I am not a "minerals are free" tard and I have other, competitive characters to use in case any of the others stop being useful.
Of course the fact I have to ditch characters who took months to be so good is not taken with joy.



I don't think too many single account guys are going to shed a tear if you do dock up 3 semi afk mining accounts.

oh obligatory, your stuff, can I haz it ?

Zuhlaetah
Posted - 2009.07.02 08:56:00 - [125]
 

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lol, untanked autopilot haulers have been shot at hisec gates since the dawn of time.



But a nerf due exactly to a previous similar initiative hit the gate campers, this is what they recall very well.


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A reasonably fitted hulk (with DCU) will stand 3 cycles of that dps, because its in motion, and they won't get EFT perfect dps (even if they have perfect skills), and the reasonably fitted EHP is 16k.



Care to show how 1 DCU in hulk and miner stats/skills pilot "reasonable fit" create a 16K EHP? Of course you can't use Gist stuff because that would just make you a gank magnet.


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I'd be likely out of optimal too, just because of the time spent in warp, whilst my hulk moves - ages their BM.



I tried to warp to a ship at 2km off a moving hulk from offgrid and I land like 3-4 km away. Does this grant the hulk to survive?


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Nope, but how about them hulk pilots with a cap recharger, a rock scanner and no other mids, but somehow can afford t2 rigs and t2 strips, and aeodes. Those virtual used cans can't be doing too badly now can they.



Yes, a majority of hulk pilots definitely roam with T2 rigs and why not ORE miners. Oh wait.


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oh obligatory, your stuff, can I haz it ?



Opportunistic freeloaders till the end, aren't us?

Haleuth
Amarr
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.07.02 11:53:00 - [126]
 

I got no sympathy for any miners (aka whiners) who get ganked like this because they choose to play the game as prey.

If your sitting in a belt in a 100 mill isk ship your no different to a wilderbeast at the watering hole, yes you will get a drink but sometime soon a croc is gonna bite your head off.

Think its about time these forums had a whine section tbh




Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
Posted - 2009.07.02 15:15:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Zuhlaetah

Care to show how 1 DCU in hulk and miner stats/skills pilot "reasonable fit" create a 16K EHP? Of course you can't use Gist stuff because that would just make you a gank magnet.



A DCU I and a single Invuln II give me 14,832 EHP. Pop in another Invuln II and it's even better...

Even with T2 strip miners it works (with 2 invuln II's)...if you insist on using them.

[Hulk, Hi-Sec Anti-Gank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control I

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Ship Scanner II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


nomnomnomnomnomnom....

Too much money if you ask me. Use covetor's...can get like 10,000 EHP on a covetor.

And the two mids I put the scanners in...those are for entertaining yourself as you mine...

Jaxxon Voers
The Scope
Posted - 2009.07.03 12:21:00 - [128]
 

I was all into it...and I loved you.


It started kinda hmmz, then it was sorta lolz, then it got all sciencey and rocks and some weird beam and the rocks. And then it got all long winded and blah blah blah. And I started to hate you.

Then it got all mother of god make it stopbeforeikillagainandeatthebody...i guess i am lovin you again.

you still have that magic touch.

but dont think i wont hate.

cause i will, so watch out.

YARRRR!!

Tezalsh
Posted - 2009.07.03 13:59:00 - [129]
 

Miners mine ore, they sell ore.

Pirates kill miners, they sell salvage.

Miners jump on their pirate ships, they kill pirates, they salvage.

Both parties have to now buy a new ship.

Ship makers use the ore from the miners, and the salvage from both parties, and then they sell you the ships back to you.

Itís all one nice vicious cycle that keeps the price of ore up, at the cost of a few QQ's.

If you don't play EvE enough to be able to farm the ISK to buy a new ship and modules, you then work too much in real life, and you should start selling game cards.

If you play EvE too much, and youíre able to comfortably afford game cards and new ships every week, you get my thumbs up.

If youíre a Chinese farmer, then the pirates win, they get a couple free easy kills.

lunar'cee
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.07.03 20:18:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 28/06/2009 05:46:29
Assuming an average price of 175m per T2 fit T1 rigged Hulk, Death of Virtue has killed 168 Hulks to date on our current killboard which adds up to just shy of 30 billion ISK worth of damage.

On the whole, we're way ahead on the profitability front due to loot and protection payments and silly faction fits. Once again this proves that those claiming piracy isn't profitable are simply doing it wrong.

Carebears rejoice. Almost 30 billion ISK worth of destruction adds up to one thing for you: a very active market. More minerals are needed, more modules are needed, more of everything is needed. Pirates are the best thing ever for you greedy little scumbags to help you line your pockets. Some of you might even be surprised to learn the names of some of our sponsors who are promoting the destruction of so many Hulks. Some of them smell decidedly bearish. Are we the Evil or just its instrument?

CCP has continued to destroy opportunity and capability for players to engage in non-consensual PVP and Death of Virtue's recent operations are a prime example of what the game has been reduced to in order to find a way to partake in the most noblest of all activities in Eve: killing players who do everything imaginable to avoid PVP.

Wanting to avoid PVP is anti-Eve. If it weren't for Eve's global scope I'd even say it was un-American. It's just not right. Every effort must be made by every player to stamp out the existence of players that try to deny and subvert the founding principle of Eve- PVP.

It is up to every Pirate in the game to take up this cause. Even though we are the smallest group of players numerically speaking we are also the most elite, most intelligent and most charismatic group of players to ever grace the Eve universe. Through our implacable determination and brilliant flying we shall overcome the economic scourge that are carebears and save Eve from certain economic collapse!

Yay Pirates! Laughing


who cares .......Rolling Eyes

solarmist
Posted - 2009.07.03 20:20:00 - [131]
 

Wanting to avoid PVP is anti-Eve. If it weren't for Eve's global scope I'd even say it was un-American. It's just not right. Every effort must be made by every player to stamp out the existence of players that try to deny and subvert the founding principle of Eve- PVP.

i dont remember that pvp was the main purpose of eve , it does state that it has a player drivin economy tho..... maybe just me tho good luck Very Happy

FunzzeR
Legion of the Scottish Fold
Posted - 2009.07.04 02:22:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: solarmist


i dont remember that pvp was the main purpose of eve , it does state that it has a player drivin economy tho..... maybe just me tho good luck Very Happy


I beg to differ, pvp extends beyond merely shooting other players. Traders and industrialists engage in pvp by adjusting prices to undercut the competition. Miners pvp by competing with other miners to clear out the best isk/m3 roids that are closest to the trade hubs. Probably not what Bellum had in mind for a definition of pvp, but regardless pvp is what this game is all about.

Keep up the good work with making high sec a little bit riskier place to live in.

Zuhlaetah
Posted - 2009.07.04 04:26:00 - [133]
 

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Wanting to avoid PVP is anti-Eve.



I PvP a lot on my PvP character who is in a PvP corp.
How much would you smack in local if I came attack your HAC in a lolfit frigate?

Wanting to avoid PvP in a stacked against situation is A LOT "EvE", in fact I don't see anyone in low sec probing a Vagabond down and then going to attack it in a Rupture.
They will dock and switch to a suitable and "sure win" other ship and then will probe and attack.

You know and do this very much, in fact you attack targets with a 100% probability off yours to win.

Because in RL like in EvE, the fair fight is the fight where you are almost sure to win.
Now, as miner the dry data is: known location (usually belts), no defense, no combat stats, high ship cost. The other guy gets the surprise, the combat stats, a free ship.
Would be a moron to be a sitting duck down there with those premises, that would be anti-Eve.

Moreover, as stated in a previous page:


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You chose to be a miner, aware of the income differences



Again, EvE is a game of business. Being aware of the income differences only tells a part of the deal.
The whole deal is:

"You chose to be a miner, aware of the income differences caused by playing in high sec".
That is, the lower income factors in and implies a great reduction in ship losses, it's just 101 of economy.

Voiding the ship losses part, the whole deal breaks.

At this point, in a VERY EvE way, I remade the deal: "since the low risk clause is over, you may as well earn more money".
Thus I moved the mining ships in our NBSI sovereign systems, where you'll never touch them again, for multiple of today's income and multiple reduction of today's risk.

I don't even have to check local, there's always a patrol roaming some systems away that virtually locks this system and in the rare case (not happened till today) a neutral enters, I can warp to SS before he gets a chance.

Have fun with the poor sods who won't do the same.


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Traders and industrialists engage in pvp by adjusting prices to undercut the competition



My trader is my 2nd PvP character and she hurts a lot. Needless to say, when you pi_ss off her, she bites back pretty hard.
Unlike the miners, she has all the tools to promptly react to attacks, hence it's not a stacked against game.

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.07.04 04:37:00 - [134]
 

This thread was pretty cool until it filled with arguing alts.

impcom
Posted - 2009.07.04 05:40:00 - [135]
 

Edited by: impcom on 04/07/2009 05:39:55
I usually just read this section for lulz, but I figure after slogging through 5 pages of alts trolling each other and arguing stupid points, let me point out a few moronic things coming from both sides.

1) If EVE is soley based on pewpewpew, why aren't ships free? Why is there a dynamic economy? Why is there a complex industrial system?

2) Why the hell can't you just fit a T2 expander and an invuln on your SHIELD TANKING HULK which ALREADY GET +25% to all resists?

3) Not all miners are carebears. Even if they are, who made it your job to ruin their day just so you get a chuckle? Kill 1 or 2, ok fine. But non-stop killing them just because you can? The point at which you must play somebody else's way to have fun is the point at which everyone needs to step back and remember the point of a game.

4) Why do you need to mine in system with 50 people? I'm pretty sure in my barely-traveled highsec base, I have the same ore you do in your over-mined dumps.

I don't like people who like nothing more than seeing someone else's day ruined. Admit it, that's why you gank. It's not about profit.

I also see no point in mining all day and never doing anything else. What are you working towards? A bigger wallet? OMG I AM HAVING SO MUCH FUN STARING AT MY FAT WALLET

I fully expect to be flamed for this, seeing as I've poked at both sides as I so often do. So flame on!

Tezalsh
Posted - 2009.07.04 13:56:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: impcom
Edited by: impcom on 04/07/2009 05:39:55
I usually just read this section for lulz, but I figure after slogging through 5 pages of alts trolling each other and arguing stupid points, let me point out a few moronic things coming from both sides.

1) If EVE is soley based on pewpewpew, why aren't ships free? Why is there a dynamic economy? Why is there a complex industrial system?

2) Why the hell can't you just fit a T2 expander and an invuln on your SHIELD TANKING HULK which ALREADY GET +25% to all resists?

3) Not all miners are carebears. Even if they are, who made it your job to ruin their day just so you get a chuckle? Kill 1 or 2, ok fine. But non-stop killing them just because you can? The point at which you must play somebody else's way to have fun is the point at which everyone needs to step back and remember the point of a game.

4) Why do you need to mine in system with 50 people? I'm pretty sure in my barely-traveled highsec base, I have the same ore you do in your over-mined dumps.

I don't like people who like nothing more than seeing someone else's day ruined. Admit it, that's why you gank. It's not about profit.

I also see no point in mining all day and never doing anything else. What are you working towards? A bigger wallet? OMG I AM HAVING SO MUCH FUN STARING AT MY FAT WALLET

I fully expect to be flamed for this, seeing as I've poked at both sides as I so often do. So flame on!


Why do people sit in a system with 50+ people The majority of people are too lazy to move or even look at their map.

There are two types of people in EvE, the goodies, and the badies. The badies hunt the goodies, for profit and for a laugh. You may think this is sick, but this happens in real life, I mean look at Ojay Simpson.

Why do miners mine all day? To get a whole lot of ISK. This is only half the truth. Everyone else who plays the game missions all day, PvP's all day, Trades all day, builds ships all day. The reason why we play all day, is because we have nothing better to do, and mining requires so little effort, we can study and mine at the same time, itís brilliant. The ISK is just a bonus really, it pays for my pilot, and it pays for my hulk.

And remember this, a serial killer cannot stop murdering, just like a pirate cannot stop killing, or ninja cannot stop ninjaring. Itís their job in EvE.

So please carebears, STOP QQ'ing about can flippers, and pirates, I mean how would you guys like it if ninjas started QQing about people not can mining enough, or if pirates started QQing about not enough hulks mining in 0.0 it would get really annoying wouldn't it?




Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.07.04 19:40:00 - [137]
 

'sup with all the non-corped (well, ticker off = no corp, who the **** logs in just to see, you're noone since you chose to be noone anyway) dudes, who just keep bumping this thread and never post in any other C&P threads. Hmm?

I got alot of non-corped alts on my accounts, maybe I should start bumping my own threads as well. Hmmmm. Confused

Tezalsh
Posted - 2009.07.04 19:48:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Misanth
'sup with all the non-corped (well, ticker off = no corp, who the **** logs in just to see, you're noone since you chose to be noone anyway) dudes, who just keep bumping this thread and never post in any other C&P threads. Hmm?

I got alot of non-corped alts on my accounts, maybe I should start bumping my own threads as well. Hmmmm. Confused


No-corp =/= troll or a nobody.
No-corp sometimes just means, what it means, no-corp.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.07.04 19:52:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Tezalsh
Originally by: Misanth
'sup with all the non-corped (well, ticker off = no corp, who the **** logs in just to see, you're noone since you chose to be noone anyway) dudes, who just keep bumping this thread and never post in any other C&P threads. Hmm?

I got alot of non-corped alts on my accounts, maybe I should start bumping my own threads as well. Hmmmm. Confused


No-corp =/= troll or a nobody.
No-corp sometimes just means, what it means, no-corp.


Hi there, mr nobody.

thundercl0ud
Posted - 2009.07.04 23:13:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Misanth
'sup with all the non-corped (well, ticker off = no corp, who the **** logs in just to see, you're noone since you chose to be noone anyway) dudes, who just keep bumping this thread and never post in any other C&P threads. Hmm?

I got alot of non-corped alts on my accounts, maybe I should start bumping my own threads as well. Hmmmm. Confused


To imply that DoV would even bother wasting time by bumping a thread with alts is just pathetic.

I didn't have any opinion about your corp or yourself but after the above it just went in the crapper. What a joke.

thundercl0ud
Posted - 2009.07.04 23:14:00 - [141]
 

Oh wait... LaughingLaughingLaughing

Dannerkongen
Posted - 2009.07.05 09:37:00 - [142]
 

ganking miners is fail!

its liek mistreating a child! dont u see it?

ive seen some nice fraps from u Bellum! but u just killed all respect i had for u.




species2143
Posted - 2009.07.05 11:05:00 - [143]
 

NO YOU!

Tauranon
Gallente
Weeesearch
Posted - 2009.07.05 11:52:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Zuhlaetah
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lol, untanked autopilot haulers have been shot at hisec gates since the dawn of time.



But a nerf due exactly to a previous similar initiative hit the gate campers, this is what they recall very well.



Freighters can't be fit. hint hint.

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A reasonably fitted hulk (with DCU) will stand 3 cycles of that dps, because its in motion, and they won't get EFT perfect dps (even if they have perfect skills), and the reasonably fitted EHP is 16k.



Care to show how 1 DCU in hulk and miner stats/skills pilot "reasonable fit" create a 16K EHP? Of course you can't use Gist stuff because that would just make you a gank magnet.




[Hulk, test]
Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Unrigged, 1 MLU II, and rock scanner retained (ie its a practical setup). 19,345 EHP for all V, over 16k for my alt, and no particular resist weakness. The entire shield training requirements (level 4 skills), will take considerably less time for me than exhumer V, so its a pretty mild diversion from perfect miner, and since you are a highsec miner, it would make sense to prioritise EHP ahead of 0.0/lowsec mining crystals in your training plan...

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I'd be likely out of optimal too, just because of the time spent in warp, whilst my hulk moves - ages their BM.



I tried to warp to a ship at 2km off a moving hulk from offgrid and I land like 3-4 km away. Does this grant the hulk to survive?




You are moving sufficiently to almost always generate sufficient transversal to prevent EFT theoretical perfect dps occuring. That is an advantage of being in motion.

Heavy Neutron I + antimatter = 1.9km optimal, 6km or so fall off range, so 33% into the first falloff range @ 4km, which is again going to affect dps (15% turret dps reduction I'd imagine). The first drone volley will also be weakened, because hammerhead has 1k optimal, and you are 2500m away from closest drone.

besides which - hit warp before he locks you. the other advantage.

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Nope, but how about them hulk pilots with a cap recharger, a rock scanner and no other mids, but somehow can afford t2 rigs and t2 strips, and aeodes. Those virtual used cans can't be doing too badly now can they.



Yes, a majority of hulk pilots definitely roam with T2 rigs and why not ORE miners. Oh wait.




I suggest you check out the kill mails. IMHO most of those ships deserved to be popped for being so badly fit. Consider it survival of the fittest. There are multiple t2 rig fitted kill mails.

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Opportunistic freeloaders till the end, aren't us?



lol.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.07.05 13:00:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: thundercl0ud
Originally by: Misanth
'sup with all the non-corped (well, ticker off = no corp, who the **** logs in just to see, you're noone since you chose to be noone anyway) dudes, who just keep bumping this thread and never post in any other C&P threads. Hmm?

I got alot of non-corped alts on my accounts, maybe I should start bumping my own threads as well. Hmmmm. Confused


To imply that DoV would even bother wasting time by bumping a thread with alts is just pathetic.

I didn't have any opinion about your corp or yourself but after the above it just went in the crapper. What a joke.


Who or what is DoV, and what did I imply about it? ugh

You might want to re-read what I posted. There's nothing implied. I'm just stating people with no corp-ticker is uninteresting people with nonsense content. Alt trolls are funny, neutral parties with wall of texts, isn't. Razz

Loco Eve
Out-of-Space
Posted - 2009.07.05 14:09:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 28/06/2009 05:46:29
Even though we are the smallest group of players numerically speaking we are also the most elite, most intelligent and most charismatic group of players to ever grace the Eve universe.

since when did killing a hulk make one elite?

thundercl0ud
Posted - 2009.07.05 20:37:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: thundercl0ud
Originally by: Misanth
'sup with all the non-corped (well, ticker off = no corp, who the **** logs in just to see, you're noone since you chose to be noone anyway) dudes, who just keep bumping this thread and never post in any other C&P threads. Hmm?

I got alot of non-corped alts on my accounts, maybe I should start bumping my own threads as well. Hmmmm. Confused


To imply that DoV would even bother wasting time by bumping a thread with alts is just pathetic.

I didn't have any opinion about your corp or yourself but after the above it just went in the crapper. What a joke.


Who or what is DoV, and what did I imply about it? ugh

You might want to re-read what I posted. There's nothing implied. I'm just stating people with no corp-ticker is uninteresting people with nonsense content. Alt trolls are funny, neutral parties with wall of texts, isn't. Razz


I guess I got the wrong impression. Kinda came across like you were implying that Death of Virtue was bumping this thread with alts.

That being said, I agree that the noobs with the alts arguing back and forth are extremely lame.

Zuhlaetah
Posted - 2009.07.05 21:20:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Zuhlaetah on 05/07/2009 21:43:54
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Freighters can't be fit. hint hint.



Freigthers come with big stats, while miners get as low as 450 HP. Go fit that.


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The entire shield training requirements (level 4 skills), will take considerably less time for me than exhumer V, so its a pretty mild diversion from perfect miner



That is a month. You won't even find miner characters for sale with those skills, like you don't see PvP pilots with lots of industry and science skills. Because the character would actually lose value instead of gaining it.

Your "cure" is an EFT warrior operation and still, it can be countered in 5 minutes.
On SCC-lounge, where the "Hulk pop" phenomenon started, they keep saying that if one free ship is not enough to pop an hulk they send 2. Result: 2 free ships popped vs more expensive ship. Now, if it was 50M of cost per 130M kill then it'd be MUCH fairer.

Until what's used costs like 1M a death net of insurance, the result is always the same. Even (and this is the part that pis_ses me) if I park a fleet in defense. Can't really lock and kill 2 gankboats landing in and 2-3 shotting the target.

Moreover, pilots able to use that different kinds of T2 stuff at this point would be brutally more useful to mission and earn 2-4 times as much. Why mine then?

Also, with a normal setup with my worst pilot I get 1519 yield, with this setup 1345. This means a 11.5% loss. > Double loss than the mining foreman fleet bonus. > Double loss than losing the 5% mining bonus given by 700M implants.
Incidentally, due to that loss I go below the "rags profession" thresold that made me stop mining already.

And all of this, still easily killed with 2 free cheap ships.
Imagine the fat killboard, when you kill 25B worth of stuff with a loss of 250M.


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and since you are a highsec miner, it would make sense to prioritise EHP ahead of 0.0/lowsec mining crystals in your training plan...



Actually in the specific case the characters were and will be 0.0 miners.


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besides which - hit warp before he locks you. the other advantage



SEBO frigate to tackle (the same used as bait). "Something is preventing you from..."
Since you EFT warrior on stuff none uses, let me use examples of how they say they do it for real.

VaderDSL
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2009.07.05 21:49:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: MerJehkel DerHyde
Loving the care bear tears! Keep it coming!


Had to quote this Smile the thread makes me smile, need more tears!

Msgerbs
Gallente
Imperial Assualt Guild
Posted - 2009.07.05 22:08:00 - [150]
 

Tezalish, since none of that applies to my post exept the first sentence, I'm assuming you quited my post by accident.


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