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Jon Marks
Posted - 2009.06.25 18:27:00 - [1]
 

Here I am 5 days old in eve and I get an invite to a chat channel. I accept to see what its all about. I am told to join audio and await a recruitment speech. I join the audio and shortly after I hear the voice of a corporation CEO. This guy pitches that he is recruiting for an industrial corporation that we have to be in a retriever in 2 weeks and that the only tax is if we sell to the corporation is 20%.

I have nothing to loose so I join. I get into my retriever and I start mining. This corporation aggressively recruits players with less than a month in the game and quickly grows to 300+. We get war dec'd a couple of times and even move our HQ from one end of the galaxy to the other. Our CEO tried to hop between alliances to kill the war dec's which he received a warning from CCP.

The corp that war dec'd us was trying to convince us that our CEO was scamming us. When we asked why they thought that they had one answer; he is selling shares in a corporation with no assets for 1 million isk each. So I did some research on the market discussion forums and discovered that a corporation can be operated with some level of transparency. So we had a meeting where all but 1 of the management team requested an audit and the CEO said no. He said we just had to trust him.

So after receiving a few billion isk for selling shares, no business plan, buying our ore with 20% taken off the top and no way to verify earnings for the corporation and refusing to allow an audit or to give viewing rights to the corp hangars to verify the corporation assets to back the shares I left the corporation.

I posted on the corp forums why I left. The post was immediately deleted and my new corp CEO received threats from my old CEO. This guy went as far as making up stories as to why I left the corporation. Further proof was given to me that 3 of his accounts were purchased accounts and his primary account was banned by CCP which he admitted to for selling isk. On top of that just a couple of days before leaving this corporation he openly admitted scams that he pulled off that day. These scams included selling shares to non corp members and just keeping the isk.

The other big scam he talked about but to my knowledge hasn't done yet is to convince other CEO's that he can, for a fee of 1 billion isk per 100 recruits, grow their corporations by 100 member via his recruitment methods. The scam is that the people he recruits he plans to steal.

Anyways I felt if anyone reading this post smells a scam to expain why so others can learn from my experience. Or if I am incorrect in my assessment to inform me of why.

Thanks.

Reaver Leader
Skunkwerx Manufacturing
OMEGA.
Posted - 2009.06.25 18:41:00 - [2]
 

All I read was "we have to be in a retriever in 2 weeks" ewwwwwwww

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2009.06.25 18:56:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Jon Marks
Here I am 5 days old in eve and I get an invite to a chat channel. I accept to see what its all about. I am told to join audio and await a recruitment speech. I join the audio and shortly after I hear the voice of a corporation CEO. This guy pitches that he is recruiting for an industrial corporation that we have to be in a retriever in 2 weeks and that the only tax is if we sell to the corporation is 20%.

I have nothing to loose so I join. I get into my retriever and I start mining. This corporation aggressively recruits players with less than a month in the game and quickly grows to 300+. We get war dec'd a couple of times and even move our HQ from one end of the galaxy to the other. Our CEO tried to hop between alliances to kill the war dec's which he received a warning from CCP.

The corp that war dec'd us was trying to convince us that our CEO was scamming us. When we asked why they thought that they had one answer; he is selling shares in a corporation with no assets for 1 million isk each. So I did some research on the market discussion forums and discovered that a corporation can be operated with some level of transparency. So we had a meeting where all but 1 of the management team requested an audit and the CEO said no. He said we just had to trust him.

So after receiving a few billion isk for selling shares, no business plan, buying our ore with 20% taken off the top and no way to verify earnings for the corporation and refusing to allow an audit or to give viewing rights to the corp hangars to verify the corporation assets to back the shares I left the corporation.

I posted on the corp forums why I left. The post was immediately deleted and my new corp CEO received threats from my old CEO. This guy went as far as making up stories as to why I left the corporation. Further proof was given to me that 3 of his accounts were purchased accounts and his primary account was banned by CCP which he admitted to for selling isk. On top of that just a couple of days before leaving this corporation he openly admitted scams that he pulled off that day. These scams included selling shares to non corp members and just keeping the isk.

The other big scam he talked about but to my knowledge hasn't done yet is to convince other CEO's that he can, for a fee of 1 billion isk per 100 recruits, grow their corporations by 100 member via his recruitment methods. The scam is that the people he recruits he plans to steal.

Anyways I felt if anyone reading this post smells a scam to expain why so others can learn from my experience. Or if I am incorrect in my assessment to inform me of why.

Thanks.


It's stupid idiotic ppl that allow for this type of operation to exist.
The only difference between you and the masses of sheep in that corp is that you got a bit smarter and started asking questions, researching, finding out what is beneath the surface layer. Now you have your facts but you still ask total strangers to judge and think for you.

Reread your thread ... try reading it as if it is your first time, and then draw your conclusion.

PS: When you draw your conclusion be thankfull this is a game and the experience you just got might just later in life keep your money safe - RL money this time not pretend money.

Jon Marks
Posted - 2009.06.25 19:05:00 - [4]
 

Quote:
It's stupid idiotic ppl that allow for this type of operation to exist.
The only difference between you and the masses of sheep in that corp is that you got a bit smarter and started asking questions, researching, finding out what is beneath the surface layer. Now you have your facts but you still ask total strangers to judge and think for you.

Reread your thread ... try reading it as if it is your first time, and then draw your conclusion.

PS: When you draw your conclusion be thankfull this is a game and the experience you just got might just later in life keep your money safe - RL money this time not pretend money.


I can see how this could be viewed. However I am hoping that the people still in the flock see this and realize like I did to get out. Most of this happened in 2.5 weeks so its not like I was blind and dumb. I was just naive to the culture of eve.

Madam Scarlette
Caldari
Knights of Destruction
Posted - 2009.06.25 20:44:00 - [5]
 

w/o reading anything (because its long as hell), i'm going to say if you have to ask, its probably a scam. if it sounds too good to be true, its a scam. if it sounds good at all, its a scam.
i promise... Twisted EvilYARRRR!!Twisted Evil

Syringe
Incura
Posted - 2009.06.25 20:51:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Madam Scarlette
w/o reading anything (because its long as hell), i'm going to say if you have to ask, its probably a scam. if it sounds too good to be true, its a scam. if it sounds good at all, its a scam.
i promise... Twisted EvilYARRRR!!Twisted Evil

io0olilo0oi
Posted - 2009.06.25 21:52:00 - [7]
 

The corp tax doesnt apply to things you mine and sell, only bounties on the rats and mission rewards.

i really didnt read much of your post just that you said something about taxing you minerals....


Miney Prospector
Maximum Yarrage
Posted - 2009.06.26 00:08:00 - [8]
 

Is your old CEO's name ThCEO ?

Xps Dana
Posted - 2009.06.26 00:20:00 - [9]
 

:tldr: if you have to ask then it's a scam..

I might have just been trolledShocked

Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.06.26 00:26:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: io0olilo0oi
The corp tax doesnt apply to things you mine and sell, only bounties on the rats and mission rewards.

i really didnt read much of your post just that you said something about taxing you minerals....




If I understand correctly then either they sell minerals/ore to the corporation itself for 20% below actual value or when they sell it they give 20% to the corp. This guys sounds a bit odd, and this does sound like he is trying to run a massive corp for cash. I wonder how much cash you could get on 250 retrievers worth of ore ever day at a 20% markdown....?

Lana Hellfury
Minmatar
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
Posted - 2009.06.26 01:00:00 - [11]
 

Cant it be both?

(Also, no I didn't read a word the OP posted)

Commander Yassir
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2009.06.26 01:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Cant it be both?

(Also, no I didn't read a word the OP posted)


A legit scam... Yep

Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
Posted - 2009.06.26 05:03:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Herty on 26/06/2009 05:03:42
Originally by: Commander Yassir
Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Cant it be both?

(Also, no I didn't read a word the OP posted)


A legit scam... Yep

A legit scam is the best scam.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2009.06.26 05:34:00 - [14]
 

OP you may be new to the game and the overly complicated mechanics of everything but you did right to question and get out of the corp! You might want to inform anyone else you got on with in your time with the corp and go see employment with a DECENT corp.

Go check the recruitment section on this forum perhaps?

And Lana and Herty, shush. I have to be nice sometimes to counteract the mischief.

Lana Hellfury
Minmatar
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
Posted - 2009.06.26 06:08:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
OP you may be new to the game and the overly complicated mechanics of everything but you did right to question and get out of the corp! You might want to inform anyone else you got on with in your time with the corp and go see employment with a DECENT corp.

Go check the recruitment section on this forum perhaps?

And Lana and Herty, shush. I have to be nice sometimes to counteract the mischief.


I honestly didn't read the OP as it was too wordy.. TL;DR version?

Gregor Vernof
Steaming Hot Gallente Chicks Gone Wild
Posted - 2009.06.26 08:14:00 - [16]
 

TL;DR Version (might still be a little too long)

Newbie entered game got caught up in the newness and shiny internet spaceships, joined sweatshop Corp got scammed out of hard earned iskies(come on, mining is mind numbingly hard work).

Newbie wised up (hopefully with some others in Corp), questioned Scamming Task Master of a CEO, left Corp, joined another, Old CEO threatened Wiser, Poorer Newbie and his New CEO to keep them quite from exposing his newbie exploiting behavior.


Hinkledolph
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.06.26 08:15:00 - [17]
 

I miss Lana Torrin

sesanti
Minmatar
Astrodynamics Trading Group
Posted - 2009.06.26 08:50:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: sesanti on 26/06/2009 08:50:51
Why don't you name the CEO? (Oh well, I can always look at your employment history ... tonight after work)

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.06.26 15:58:00 - [19]
 

This post should be more in the new player experience section, as a recruitment warning.

Is it a scam? No, but he's (ab)using the trust of younger players (or those who don't know better) to leech isk off them. Nothing new there, alot of people form corporations and go on an aggressive recruitment campaign just to get money off the tax.

New players just need to be wary of this and ask why a tax is set at a current level. Years ago it was normal to keep around 10% to cover offices, war fees, and different corporation programs. Many, even PvP corps, ran production inside the corp to cut costs. Today that isn't really necessary, and the investment to build such things are usually done individually. In light of that, and considering my own corp just had offices etc, I ran a 1% tax rate on mine. It covered alliance fee, offices, etc.

Either case, it's not C&P material, and it's not a scam either. Not more than playing the market, selling stuff over X value simply by price manipulation.

Katya Tereshkova
Kinky Weirdos In Space
Elysium Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.26 16:37:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Katya Tereshkova on 26/06/2009 16:46:01
Edited by: Katya Tereshkova on 26/06/2009 16:41:54
Ah so is this a name and blame forum then? I may try to talk Jon Marks into giving more info (with less words-he's that way with all the words lol).

So after finding out that this shartbag likes to cross the game line and make things personal (ie. trying to cause relationship problems, which won't work here), I'm quite willing to give up his name here (among many other things).

And just so it's clear for those that don't feel like reading the wordy OP, it's not just the tax on ore, it's the million isk share scam on a corp with little to no assets, it's the admitted scamming that's been done by same said CEO, such as selling shares to non corp members, then taking the isk and giving nothing, could go on and on, oh and the "donate real dollars scam".


ETA: Ah yes...I see how this should go in a different area.


 

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