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Ozone71
Caldari
Taishi Combine
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:00:00 - [1]
 

Ok.. so I am fairly new to EVE, but I decided to wander out to 0.0 and try to hunt down a few, more valuable rocks.

First step was to buy and fit out a second Retriever ... one that I did not mind losing if I was jumped by Pirates or Rats. Then I planned my route to avoid areas of high ship kills and pod death, and manually piloted my way out. (Autopilot being slow and dangerous - learnt that the hard way)

So there I was in 0.0 land, with the odd person or two on local, but I was practically alone, surrounded by mountains of rock and a few HUGE nasty rats (any rat is bad for an undefended, unarmed Mining Barge ... but Battleships?? Warp - don't run!)

While the number and size of rocks on offer was impressive, apart from the practically worthless Jaspet, there was no rock that I could not find in High Sec.

Right now, I usually mine in 0.5-0.6 systems, well away from hubs (never been to Jita, don't plan to go) and I can find more Veldspar (and better) ores than I can mine in an evening's gaming. There is no lack of asteroids in High Sec, (contrary to many claims I have read in the forum) and all of the high value ores are pretty easy to find. (This coming from someone with about 6 weeks of experience.)

Sure, I saw ice fields out in 0.0, and I hear that they are worth the effort, but that's not where I am up to in the mining career path just yet. I'll also accept that it was 5 hours after downtime, so all the "good stuff" may have been taken already, hence none of the "ABC" ores, I was hoping to find.

All I wanted was to grab a small load of one of the high values ores and rush home with a sense of accomplishment that I had been to 0.0 and back, and not only survived, but and found some rocks worth mining.

Well I made it there and back .. but with an empty cargo hold. It did not feel right to wander all the way to 0.0 and come back with pockets full of Veldspar which is as common as dirt "back home".

I could have wandered deeper into Null sec... but after visiting a few fields in about 6 different systems and finding nothing of note.. it was pack up and point the Retrievers nose to home (good dog).

I read people saying "get out of High Sec" .. but really ... right now it seems completely and utterly pointless.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:05:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Ozone71
the "ABC" ores

0.0 varies in true security rating ("truesec") from 0.00000 to -1.00000
You need to go a bit deeper into the negative truesec before you get to a system that has any of the "ABC" ores.
http://www.fluidorbit.co.uk/
Use this.
MIGHT be a bit out of date, but should give you a reasonable idea.

Allen Ramses
Caldari
Zombicidal Mania
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:05:00 - [3]
 

Yes, and it will remain pointless until rogue drones no longer provide a better source of high end minerals than asteroids.

Kirana Si
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:13:00 - [4]
 

Use this to check for ABC Ore near your current 0.0 location.

Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:18:00 - [5]
 

Congratulations on discovering why the major alliances need to hold such vast swaths of space.

Most of 0.0 is absolutely, positively pointless. But to secure the few bits which are worth owning you must also capture and defend the garbage.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:28:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Batolemaeus on 23/06/2009 18:30:51
Yup, mining anything but ice is pretty pointless in 0.0. We import most of our minerals in the form of drone compounds or compressed in modules from empire, and it's still easier than mining that stuff. The only thing that would make sense is mining veld in regions many ly away from highsec, since it's a pain getting the tritanium there.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:38:00 - [7]
 

The people saying get out of high sec are just those frustrated with having to fight people better than themselves and are looking for others to come and die at their hands, preferably sporting mining lasers.

MinefieldS
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:39:00 - [8]
 

Yes, mining the asteroids is pointless, because mines don't work anymore. Although it would've been fun putting a 10 megaton nuclear mine on a 'roid and blowing up a carebear to pieces.

Enaria Ferenic
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:52:00 - [9]
 

Its all coverd above but to sum up:

Drone Regions + the refine/mineral rations from various modules make 0.0 mining useless except for 1.Ice mining (PoS fuel and Cap fuel) or 2. for Tritanium (Cap Fleet construction consumes a HUGE ammount of Trit).

Ozone71
Caldari
Taishi Combine
Posted - 2009.06.23 18:55:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ozone71
the "ABC" ores

You need to go a bit deeper into the negative truesec before you get to a system that has any of the "ABC" ores.
http://www.fluidorbit.co.uk/



yes... should have planned better. I have used the ore maps to find ores in high sec... D'oh.

Checked .. about 5 jumps shy of Crokite...

BlondieBC
Minmatar
Galactic Exploration and Missions
Posted - 2009.06.23 19:32:00 - [11]
 

pointless

texan
Posted - 2009.06.23 20:14:00 - [12]
 

TBH this whole EVE thing is pointless, you should just quit altogether.

Can I have your veld....stuff?

Texan

P.S. The roids are out there for the taking man, just have to find the right systems and logistics to mine/haul them.

Don't let these guys spoil your experience. Evil or Very Mad

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.06.23 21:25:00 - [13]
 

that intresting, i mine in 0.0 to build my own combat ships, because i cant be bothered to get all that transported down slash buy it
since i would rather mine tha rat conisdering i have a maxed out miner
and almost maxed out reprocessing


goes good for inbuilding caps

funny thign with trit is that you need alot of it for 0.0 and low sec ships like caps

and funny that 0.0 has way way way much of it Very Happy

Lilla Kharn
Amarr
Posted - 2009.06.23 21:26:00 - [14]
 

0.0 is pointless. That's why they call it 0.0. There is no point.

Karo Tsakkatoa
Posted - 2009.06.23 22:09:00 - [15]
 

Zero point, Zero

Laughing

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.06.23 22:11:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Karo Tsakkatoa
Zero point, Zero

Laughing


X)

Sharp Feather
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
Posted - 2009.06.23 23:47:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Karo Tsakkatoa
Zero point, Zero

Laughing


ROFL...awesome! Very Happy

Manterror
Posted - 2009.06.23 23:56:00 - [18]
 

0.0 mining is usually done by 0.0 corp members who need the minerals, rather than want, to sustain the 0.0 ship/module production for 0.0 combat. The belts they mine are usually protected by their corp/alliance.

People from Empire mining 0.0 belts for ISK is a venture that should be undertaken by only the most cunning and experienced of 0.0 solo explorers.

Personally, when I mine in empire, I mine Veldspar and Scordite. They dont produce fancy minerals, but its not about the ISK per mineral, its about the ISK per hour, and when I can find untouched Veldspar belts in 0.8 space next to a system with a Federation Navy refinery plant to whom i have 6.0 standing...I make as much ISK per hour as any 0.0 miner with the same skills as me.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2009.06.24 00:21:00 - [19]
 

Personally, I prefer to mine in high sec and bus the minerals out to 0.0.

I'll mine the harder to find minerals out there of course, but I'll be damned if I'm going to risk my ass mining veld in 0.0.

Ozone71
Caldari
Taishi Combine
Posted - 2009.06.24 01:07:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: texan

Can I have your veld....stuff?

P.S. The roids are out there for the taking man, just have to find the right systems and logistics to mine/haul them.



Lol. I avoid Veld.. it just wastes precious cargo space. Out where I mine, Veld (refined to Trit) is worth about 115 ISK/m3. Kernite, on the other hand was recently worth around 250 ISK/m3. This is due to a common mission where Kernite ore is required, creating a demand for the ore, and not the minerals. Fiery and Luminous Kernite are worth practically nothing.

While the mission keeps demand high..Veld is only second best, so if you want my Veld... you can have it... I do not even have enough for a single refine job.
Ozone

Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
Posted - 2009.06.24 05:47:00 - [21]
 

The only thing worth mining in 0.0 that beats running missions in high sec is Arkanor.

Straight Chillen
Gallente
Solar Wind
Posted - 2009.06.24 05:51:00 - [22]
 

I make a fairly nice spot of cash mining ark in 0.0, far more then I would ratting in the same period of time.

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2009.06.24 06:05:00 - [23]
 

Wormhole sites - they have ABC ores + Veldspar. And you only have to kill the rats once. Not having local isn't really that big of a deal, just push the scan button every 2 seconds like your life depends on it, because it does.

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2009.06.24 06:08:00 - [24]
 

Train up for a hulk, you can make that tough enough to tank the battleship rats, and, if you get decent drone skills you can kill them and make some extra income.
And if you're looking for a place where the locals won't shoot you on sight then providence is the place to be, but providence doesn't have low enough security status to have any of the really valuable ores.

It's nice to have a station to base out of and refine, and there are NPC stations in 0.0 belonging to factions like ORE, Mordu's Legion and all the pirates, but those systems with NPC stations aren't in deep 0.0 either.

So it's not profitable, but, playing eve isn't profitable.

Best bet for a mining adventure is to scan down a wormhole that leads somewhere with different rocks. even in lame 0.0 you'll find wormholes that frequently lead to awesome 0.0 and give you a chance to mine ABC or Mercoxit. I have a skiff I use for this purpose because it would suck to get stuf on the wrong side of a WH in a hulk

You can try ninja mining in some more

Comodore John
Gallente
Trixi IFI
Posted - 2009.06.24 06:32:00 - [25]
 

who needs 0.0 when you can find a wormhole leading to a class 2 in high sec, and in that wormhole you find another wormhole leading into a untouched class 4, scan down the radar sites, find 10k units of bistot arkonor crokite and mercoxit. all that while staying 2 jumps from high sec space

Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
Posted - 2009.06.24 08:13:00 - [26]
 

Confirmed, there is no bigger reward when mining in 0.0 except for ice and some moons.


Staying in empire = profit.

buttesauce
Posted - 2009.06.24 08:17:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Manterror
They dont produce fancy minerals, but its not about the ISK per mineral, its about the ISK per hour, and when I can find untouched Veldspar belts in 0.8 space next to a system with a Federation Navy refinery plant to whom i have 6.0 standing...I make as much ISK per hour as any 0.0 miner with the same skills as me.


I find it hard to believe that you make 60m isk an hour (per hulk) in empire space...

sounds like someone has never mined arkonor Rolling Eyes

Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.06.24 08:23:00 - [28]
 

This is pretty much what I said after I ventured out there. I was looking for PVP, but I was also scoping ores.

The distance you need to travel to hit the stuff is ridiculous - that and you literally need an entire 20 man fleet to protect you from a gatecamp if you hit one, as 0.0 gatecamps are all different levels of mean compared to low-sec camps.

If you factor in travel-time and potential losses, you might as well just train up for those T2 Veld Crystals and stick to Empire.

A lot of fringe empire is mostly untouched - so there can be some very peaceful mining in 0.6 and above. Just band up a couple of Hulks and an Orca - and you can turn decent isks every hour.

An improvement would be to at least improve high/low sec scan-sites to reward exploring miners a bit more, but the last time I scanned a site, all I found was 4m isk worth of Omber, barely worth the 20 minutes it took to scan down compared to just blasting some Dense Veld.

Its a shame really, but thats how it goes.

Hyveres
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2009.06.24 08:28:00 - [29]
 

Ark bistot and mercoxit are always worth mining if you got the logistics to transport it.

The rest .. not so much

buttesauce
Posted - 2009.06.24 09:10:00 - [30]
 

you can tell this thread is full of empire dwellers

the only protection i need in 0.0 is something to tank the rats because my intel channel takes care of the rest

of course when you OWN the space its a little different but people who dont pvp are are scared of lowsec Laughing wouldn't understand

0.0 supremacy


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