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Admiral Armstrong
Northwest Passage
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:10:00 - [1]
 

Grinding. A word we don't really find too appealing (unless you're a fan of Korean MMO's).
I feel that EVE is far too unique to make it share this trait with other MMO's, but I gotta say, I can hardly find the need to even log in and go ratting when all that's required of me is to set a skill, and be back in X number of days. It's almost boring, except for the ISK I earn. I want a way to expedite my skills, and stop having this debate with myself: "Do I really wanna spend money fitting this ship? Or do I wanna wait until I can use better modules, and THEN buy fittings." I'd also like to point out that it feels strange to think that my character gains nothing from hours of use of a certain type of missile, or keeping his afterburners on full blast.

Ultimately, what I imagine is that players, depending on the amount of SP they have, will be able to go ratting, or even pirating, and have small amounts of time deducted from their training with they successfully defeat something. If you have 30m SP and you blow up rats in Cistuvaert, expect nothing. If you blow up Sleepers in w-space that you entered while in nullsec, expect something more.

I just want incentive to log in, and actually go do something. Not just train and log.

I foresee heavy amounts of exploitation, though, like macros and capacitors that never get drained when the player leaves their AB's running. So, it will be up to minds that are more creative than mine to oversee this, if it gains any popularity.

Comments? Praise? Dissent?

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:33:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Valandril on 09/06/2009 10:33:21
Because you got wrong apporach to the game. I don't login waiting for my skills, i login to playe the game and skills just "flow by". If you don't enjoy playing the game, GB2W.
You can be pvp ready withing 1 day from starting new char, so how are sps limiting you ? You are limiting yourself.

Gallente Citizen2515145
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:39:00 - [3]
 

Both of you have it wrong. There is as much grinding in Eve as there is in other games. Unlike other games tho, the grind consists mostly to gain isk..... I mean.....you obviously can't tell your que that I want that ship, and in 5-10 days expect for that ship to pop up on it's own. Right?

Admiral Armstrong
Northwest Passage
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:41:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Admiral Armstrong on 09/06/2009 10:43:00
I agree, it's just a feeling of "Why go in half-****ed, when I can just wait 10 days and go in packing serious heat?". If I had a way to actively work on my training, I'd feel like the kills I make are actually worth something. Currently, I get a bit of ISK, and maybe someone hates/loves me more than they did prior.

I also understand completely that EVE has grinding, but not the kind that produces results for SP.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:48:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Gallente Citizen2515145
Both of you have it wrong. There is as much grinding in Eve as there is in other games. Unlike other games tho, the grind consists mostly to gain isk..... I mean.....you obviously can't tell your que that I want that ship, and in 5-10 days expect for that ship to pop up on it's own. Right?
isk grinding is for loosers, if you are smart you will get rich without it so i would say that there is not much grinding in eve.

And there will never be sp grinding in eve, this is main concept of the game.

1072
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.06.09 10:58:00 - [6]
 

most stupid idea ever.

i play eve only for 1 reason: no grinding

go play wow

Admiral Armstrong
Northwest Passage
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:03:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Admiral Armstrong on 09/06/2009 12:04:56
Edited by: Admiral Armstrong on 09/06/2009 12:03:55
Valandril, I would hardly say that the main concept of EVE is that it has no grinding.

1072, I believe the Features and Ideas forum rules are pretty clear about replies such as yours. Try to be a little less insulting, and a little more mature with your input.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:08:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Admiral Armstrong
Edited by: Admiral Armstrong on 09/06/2009 12:04:56
Edited by: Admiral Armstrong on 09/06/2009 12:03:55
Valandril, I would hardly say that the main concept of EVE is that it has no grinding.
Then i suggest reading up a bit about eve.

Admiral Armstrong
Northwest Passage
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:21:00 - [9]
 

EVE is focused on player-driven content. That's the core of this game.

Grinding is intrinsic to EVE.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:27:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Valandril on 09/06/2009 12:26:56
Originally by: Admiral Armstrong
EVE is focused on player-driven content. That's the core of this game.

Grinding is intrinsic to EVE.
Wrong. Eve is rewarding players for time, not for grinding, this is what makes eve game with highest avarange age and is why most people choose it over grinding-mmo

Admiral Armstrong
Northwest Passage
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:31:00 - [11]
 

How can you even begin to rationalize what you're saying? What do you call mining? What do you call ratting?

Yes, EVE has a much more mature player-pool than its contemporaries, but that doesn't mean for a second that grinding doesn't exist here. You're not even making sense, now.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:32:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Admiral Armstrong
How can you even begin to rationalize what you're saying? What do you call mining? What do you call ratting?

Yes, EVE has a much more mature player-pool than its contemporaries, but that doesn't mean for a second that grinding doesn't exist here. You're not even making sense, now.
And where did i say that griding doesn't exist ? I've only told that it's completly optional ad you can reach any goal without griding for 5 minutes.

Admiral Armstrong
Northwest Passage
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:37:00 - [13]
 

:|

I'm too tired to debate something other than my OP. G'night.

Valandril
Caldari
Ex-Mortis
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:41:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Admiral Armstrong
:|

I'm too tired to debate something other than my OP. G'night.
But this is your OP, you claim that grinding is required in eve and that you should get SP reward for them.
I bury it by claiming that there is no NEED for griding in eve (it's your choice) so i don't see why griding should be rewarded with extra sp.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2009.06.09 12:43:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 09/06/2009 12:43:57
EVE used to have SP gained by using related modules, but that was scrapped when people started botting it I heard, plus it was implemented in a really stupid way (based on module activation instead of actual use, so people would just turn modules on and off all the time).

Either way, I want it back. Skill for play!

Manterror
Posted - 2009.06.09 13:16:00 - [16]
 

Terrible idea.

1 of the reasons (I suspect) eve appeals to more mature players is because we dont have the time to sit around grinding all day, we have jobs and families to look after. The concept of having a skill learned in set days is a good 1.

To change the game to suit those who dont have fulltime jobs is a bad one, commercially.

Admiral Armstrong
Northwest Passage
Posted - 2009.06.09 21:18:00 - [17]
 

I can definitely see the drawbacks. Perhaps I'm just searching for an easy way to enjoy the game I love. :P That might sound a little strange.


 

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