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Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
Posted - 2009.06.05 06:09:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
Originally by: Oftherocks
I fly stabbed frigs with cloaks

I can do that too.. lol

according to frogs database stabed ibis with cloak is secret weapon of caldari which caused loss of most of their space. So be aware little frogs. Once the ibis fleet undock all your hopes are lost and even the matari cannot help u :)

David Caldera
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
Posted - 2009.06.05 06:13:00 - [62]
 

Say hello to the Velator fleet and it's drones.

Lexa Hellfury
Immortal.
Posted - 2009.06.05 08:57:00 - [63]
 

Siig is the single greatest morale booster for the other side ever. And how the hell does a carrier die to 3 battleships and 4 battlecruisers?

Ratchman
Posted - 2009.06.05 09:37:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 04/06/2009 11:25:41
So a possible chat happening in gallente militia...

Newbie: So where is our space?
Random: We dont have any.

N: Is there some ops?
R: No, We are outblobed.

N: I saw a lot of wrecks around.
R: We didnt wanted those ships anyway.

N: What can i do to help?
R: Go post on eve online forums that the war is not over yet.

N: And what after that?
R: Quit militia.




Witty, aren't we?

Smack talk is the province of the insecure, seeking to get a rise out of their enemies in order to make themselves feel like they are worth something. It's sad that for so many, this game is about winning, and not about having fun. I don't hate my enemies, as they are normal people like myself, and the other people in the Gallente militia, and although I will make fun of the opposing faction, it isn't consuming, like the vitriol that is evident in so many posts.

My contribution to the debate, to show I'm not completely above it:

Caldari militia chat...

A: The Gallente have got a fleet approaching an equal size to ours.
B: Run away.

A: We lost half our fleet.
B: It was the lag. It always benefits the Gallente. IT'S NOT FAIR.

A: We blew something up.
B: Get on the forums and make sure every last being in creation knows of our military success in destroying a single cruiser with out mighty 40-strong fleet.

A: We win at plexing.
B: ****. Nothing happened. What can we do? Just keep gloating about it on the forums and hope that somebody cares.

I could go on...

My apologies to those in the Caldari that actually play this game for fun, and see the battles for what they are, and give us good fights. This isn't aimed at you, just the whiny ones who seem to think that this is more important than it actually is.

Swifteh
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.06.05 10:07:00 - [65]
 

FW is serious buziness, congrats on winning the plexwar. Just shows how pathetic you are.

Droog 1
Posted - 2009.06.05 11:54:00 - [66]
 

Where were these Caldari fleets 2/3 months ago? Hiding in plexes. The Gallente should take a leaf out of the Squids book and just avoid all pvp until the Squids get bored and leave.


Ziriko Keplit
Posted - 2009.06.05 12:39:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Droog 1
Where were these Caldari fleets 2/3 months ago? Hiding in plexes. The Gallente should take a leaf out of the Squids book and just avoid all pvp until the Squids get bored and leave.



Siigari?! Is that you?! Damn! Did not recognized you in this makeup. Embarassed You look very different now. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Damar Rocarion
Posted - 2009.06.05 12:54:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Droog 1
Where were these Caldari fleets 2/3 months ago? Hiding in plexes.


So Gallentes were completely unable to enter plexes with their own fleet?

Damar Rocarion
Brigadier General


P.S: Kudos to PERVS for just nailing Siigari's EOS Laughing

Ulstan
Posted - 2009.06.05 16:00:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Droog 1
Where were these Caldari fleets 2/3 months ago? Hiding in plexes.



Does not compute. Plexes are the intended focal point of FW PVP and show up on the overview.

Parmenides Elea
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
Posted - 2009.06.05 16:22:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Ulstan
Originally by: Droog 1
Where were these Caldari fleets 2/3 months ago? Hiding in plexes.



Does not compute. Plexes are the intended focal point of FW PVP and show up on the overview.


And the ammount of times we've gone into them only for the squids inside to run or wave their stabs at us has completely discouraged us from even looking in them anymore. The amount of times I've had to type this is depressing me now, to the point where I give up, yeah plexing is the be all and end of pvp and caldari have won faction war. I just don't care anymore.

Draco Rosso
Caldari
Draconian Armada
Posted - 2009.06.05 16:52:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Parmenides Elea


And the ammount of times we've gone into them only for the squids inside to run or wave their stabs at us has completely discouraged us from even looking in them anymore. The amount of times I've had to type this is depressing me now, to the point where I give up, yeah plexing is the be all and end of pvp and caldari have won faction war. I just don't care anymore.


Meh you were just fighting the wrong milita kind of plexers. I do know most of the caldari plexesrs I associated with were willing to fight for plexes and this fact can be confirmed with the numbers battles we had with the various Gallente and Pirate corps. But for FFS let's not turn this into another plexing troll fest.

Yes I do agree with the large portion of the community that there was no need for this thread. I was hoping our celebration would have been keep strictly in our corporate forums, since it does represents small change of pace for the 22nd. If this was Invicta, BYDI or even a Wolfy carrier battle report then yes this kind of post would been warranted; win or (or mostly likely loose : P ). At the very least I hope every in this thread was thoroughly entrained by yet another chest pounding thread brought to you by the Caldari Milita powered by the 22nd.Laughing

Nur AlHuda
Amarr
Callide Vulpis
Posted - 2009.06.05 23:17:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 04/06/2009 11:25:41
So a possible chat happening in gallente militia...

Newbie: So where is our space?
Random: We dont have any.

N: Is there some ops?
R: No, We are outblobed.

N: I saw a lot of wrecks around.
R: We didnt wanted those ships anyway.

N: What can i do to help?
R: Go post on eve online forums that the war is not over yet.

N: And what after that?
R: Quit militia.




Witty, aren't we?

Smack talk is the province of the insecure, seeking to get a rise out of their enemies in order to make themselves feel like they are worth something. It's sad that for so many, this game is about winning, and not about having fun. I don't hate my enemies, as they are normal people like myself, and the other people in the Gallente militia, and although I will make fun of the opposing faction, it isn't consuming, like the vitriol that is evident in so many posts.

My contribution to the debate, to show I'm not completely above it:

Caldari militia chat...

A: The Gallente have got a fleet approaching an equal size to ours.
B: Run away.

A: We lost half our fleet.
B: It was the lag. It always benefits the Gallente. IT'S NOT FAIR.

A: We blew something up.
B: Get on the forums and make sure every last being in creation knows of our military success in destroying a single cruiser with out mighty 40-strong fleet.

A: We win at plexing.
B: ****. Nothing happened. What can we do? Just keep gloating about it on the forums and hope that somebody cares.

I could go on...

My apologies to those in the Caldari that actually play this game for fun, and see the battles for what they are, and give us good fights. This isn't aimed at you, just the whiny ones who seem to think that this is more important than it actually is.


Well problem is why gallente militia is looked as complete fail is that they cant agree on anythink and i dont hate them. Why should I?

If gallentes put some minimal efforts they would dominate at least their timezone. What some corporations could offer to future alliance? Kills but no integrity?

Most gallentes are crying that the war is not over yet and plexing means nothink...So when pvp is more then plexing why they didnt killed caldari plexers?

Answer is Ignorance. It is more easily to kill someone in roaming gang then to hunt plexers. And thats why gallente militia is in the sorry state now as it is couse most of the people cared about anythink and people who cared were few.

Minmatar militia had less numbers. they have still internal issuea which get them apart but when it comes to FW they hold together. So in all they were much superior to their gallente counterparts.

Now gallentes have 200 less people and more are leaving. So war is not over yet but who stays to continue it?


Cardinality
I Love Furries
Posted - 2009.06.06 04:56:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Cardinality on 07/06/2009 03:04:51

Sigvardt
Minmatar
Starfish S.M.B.A
Posted - 2009.06.06 16:50:00 - [74]
 

Allow me to budge in on this discussion. There is something I am not sure I understand the logic behind.

I do not participate in faction warfare, nor do I have any intention of doing so. To begin with, put aside the discussion about whether or not the current implementation is flawed and who has the most numbers. These are irrelevant to my post.

As far as I can understand faction warfare the objective is, basically, to capture certain systems and gain dominance. This is much like war in the lawless parts of space. Obviously itís not exactly the same since faction warfare contains an element of PvE. This is, however, not so odd given the fact you are fighting for the various empire factions and not against other players in your quest for dominance and glory.

You capture a system by defeating and holding sway over one or more complexes. These places, thusly, are paramount to victory and a natural focal point for combat. They are, after all, the key to winning.

Much like various structures such as a POS, key systems and so on and so forth are key focal points for dominance in lawless space where players fight each other. Players, corporations and alliances duking it out to become king of the hill. I assume you get the point.

And this is where I am getting to the point of this post. The argument I see here, a lot, is that one sider is very good at PvE and not so good at PvP. If only they focused on PvP instead of PvE.

But faction warfare is like any other game with a set of rules and objectives. The side that pays attention to, and focus, on winning the complexes to hold sway over the systems are just doing what they are supposed to do. Even if that is flawed, but like I said, that is a completely different discussion.

I completely fail to see the logic behind the argument that the enemy is doing what he is supposed to do, according to the game rules, and that is somehow wrong and makes him bad. Is he supposed to sit around and twiddle his thumbs while you take the complexes?

Why not just opposed him where it matters instead of, and excuse me for saying so, slug it out on the forum? That is not going to win you any systems. The numbers may be heavily biased and the system flawed in itís design, but that is not the fault of either side.

Michael Corinthos
Amarr
Posted - 2009.06.06 20:25:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Lexa Hellfury
Siig is the single greatest morale booster for the other side ever. And how the hell does a carrier die to 3 battleships and 4 battlecruisers?


Because :siigari:, that's how.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.06.07 07:06:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 07/06/2009 07:07:54
Originally by: Sigvardt
I completely fail to see the logic behind the argument that the enemy is doing what he is supposed to do, according to the game rules, and that is somehow wrong and makes him bad. Is he supposed to sit around and twiddle his thumbs while you take the complexes?


Because the plexes don't matter. The only way you'd ever know Caldari had done anything is if you happen to set the appropriate map filter and look at all the pretty dots. The Gallente can still dock there, still put up POSes, still kill people, and pretty much keep on doing exactly what they were doing before the Caldari spammed a ton of cloaking WCS frigates at all the NPC complexes.

Let's face it: the only reason the Caldari "won" is because their objective was so utterly worthless that nobody cared enough to stop them. It's like bragging about your 100-0 sports victory when you were the only one playing, completely pointless, and after the first few bragging threads, incredibly annoying.



So: let's just all get back to the original purpose of this thread and laugh at the human pinata losing yet another expensive ship. I guess his GTC supply must be running a bit low, to fit a carrier with nothing but T2?

Hidden Snake
Caldari
Inglorious-Basterds
Posted - 2009.06.07 07:51:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 07/06/2009 07:07:54
Originally by: Sigvardt
I completely fail to see the logic behind the argument that the enemy is doing what he is supposed to do, according to the game rules, and that is somehow wrong and makes him bad. Is he supposed to sit around and twiddle his thumbs while you take the complexes?


Because the plexes don't matter. The only way you'd ever know Caldari had done anything is if you happen to set the appropriate map filter and look at all the pretty dots. The Gallente can still dock there, still put up POSes, still kill people, and pretty much keep on doing exactly what they were doing before the Caldari spammed a ton of cloaking WCS frigates at all the NPC complexes.

Let's face it: the only reason the Caldari "won" is because their objective was so utterly worthless that nobody cared enough to stop them. It's like bragging about your 100-0 sports victory when you were the only one playing, completely pointless, and after the first few bragging threads, incredibly annoying.



So: let's just all get back to the original purpose of this thread and laugh at the human pinata losing yet another expensive ship. I guess his GTC supply must be running a bit low, to fit a carrier with nothing but T2?
another funny gal ... just take it like a man ... in last 3 months we beat you in plexes and pvp and unlike previous cycles this time you are not able to respond (that is why we take all the systems). I remember 3 cycles in FW (Cal militia up and down) but I enjoyed the last one most, because we were completely down after Steels left Caldari side, but then we just started to bite harder and harder and voila we are on borders of gal high sec with lot of gal wrecks around. you just lost your spirit and that is why you lost.

and now the troll part: GO CALDARI GO!!!

Sigvardt
Minmatar
Starfish S.M.B.A
Posted - 2009.06.07 08:30:00 - [78]
 

Quote:

Because the plexes don't matter.



According to the rules of faction warfare as set forth by CCP the complexes do matter. Even if you feel they do not. You cannot play a game, ignore the rules, and then get all uptight when the enemy wins and try to belittle his victory.

Quote:

The only way you'd ever know Caldari had done anything is if you happen to set the appropriate map filter and look at all the pretty dots. The Gallente can still dock there, still put up POSes, still kill people, and pretty much keep on doing exactly what they were doing



Sounds like a problem with how faction warfare is set up and not who wins. Like any player you are free to suggest to CCP that the rules and consequences are changed.

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Caldari spammed a ton of cloaking WCS frigates at all the NPC complexes



Interesting tactic. I am going to presume that whatever NPC is there fails to see through a cloak and that you do not need to destroy them to win the complex? Normally youíll decloak if you get too near an object. On the flipside, why are you not doing the same?

Quote:

Let's face it: the only reason the Caldari "won" is because their objective was so utterly worthless that nobody cared enough to stop them.



If nobody but the Caldari cares about the objective then why are they even playing in faction warfare? Was it just to get a free war declaration and the complain on the forum when one sides actually cares about the game rules and wins accordingly?

Quote:

It's like bragging about your 100-0 sports victory when you were the only one playing, completely pointless, and after the first few bragging threads, incredibly annoying.



Iíll rephrase this one for you. Itís like playing a sports game and winning 100-0 because one side dislikes the rules of the game and subsequently refuse to play thereby handing the other team an auto-win.

Again your argumentation fails. Either play the game by the rules and win or loose to those playing by the rules.
But please, feel free to suggest changes to faction warfare. They only way youíll get anything changed is by making good arguments and solid posts in the suggestion forums, or here probably. Perhaps CCP do not care much about faction warfare which means you are stuck with what you got. In any case, play the game, or quit. Plenty of things to do in EVE.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.06.07 08:47:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Hidden Snake
another funny gal ... just take it like a man ... in last 3 months we beat you in plexes and pvp and unlike previous cycles this time you are not able to respond (that is why we take all the systems). I remember 3 cycles in FW (Cal militia up and down) but I enjoyed the last one most, because we were completely down after Steels left Caldari side, but then we just started to bite harder and harder and voila we are on borders of gal high sec with lot of gal wrecks around. you just lost your spirit and that is why you lost.

and now the troll part: GO CALDARI GO!!!


You assume that just because I laugh at the Caldari lolmilitia, I must be Gallente. Sorry to disappoint you, I'm not, I'm just a pirate who thinks you're pathetic.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.06.07 08:51:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Sigvardt
According to the rules of faction warfare as set forth by CCP the complexes do matter. Even if you feel they do not. You cannot play a game, ignore the rules, and then get all uptight when the enemy wins and try to belittle his victory.


Then please, enlighten me as to exactly what the result of capturing systems under the FW system is, besides changing the name on the system info.


Hint: there isn't any. The Gallente recognized this fact and ignored the worthless plexes entirely in favor of just using it as a free wardec with lots of targets. What's hilarious is the fact that you don't realize that you're the only people who care about the complexes, and post so many hilarious threads bragging about your NPCing skills.

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Sounds like a problem with how faction warfare is set up and not who wins. Like any player you are free to suggest to CCP that the rules and consequences are changed.


Yes. It IS a problem, and the sooner CCP figures it out, the better. Until then, only your lame cloaking WCS frigate pilots will care about it.

Quote:
Interesting tactic. I am going to presume that whatever NPC is there fails to see through a cloak and that you do not need to destroy them to win the complex? Normally youíll decloak if you get too near an object. On the flipside, why are you not doing the same?


I seem to recall a wonderful thread complaining about cloaked plexing recently, why don't you go find it and read it?


And regardless of the exact mechanics, the general point remains: the best way to win plexes is to spam tons of cheap ships and run away the moment a PvP opponent shows up. Guess what the Caldari did...

Quote:
If nobody but the Caldari cares about the objective then why are they even playing in faction warfare? Was it just to get a free war declaration and the complain on the forum when one sides actually cares about the game rules and wins accordingly?



Yes, exactly. It's a free war dec with lots of targets.

Oh, and it's not complaining, I'm laughing at you because you keep posting all these "OMG WE WIN FW WE ARE AWESOME" threads, conveniently overlooking the fact that you just farmed a bunch of NPCs in cloaking WCSed frigates.

Quote:
Iíll rephrase this one for you. Itís like playing a sports game and winning 100-0 because one side dislikes the rules of the game and subsequently refuse to play thereby handing the other team an auto-win.


Sure, you win, but it's hardly a huge achievement to brag about. You were playing unopposed, it's not even a game anymore.

Quote:
Again your argumentation fails. Either play the game by the rules and win or loose to those playing by the rules.


Or option C: use FW as a free war dec with lots of targets, and laugh at the Caldari failmilitia every time they post their "victory" threads.

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But please, feel free to suggest changes to faction warfare. They only way youíll get anything changed is by making good arguments and solid posts in the suggestion forums, or here probably. Perhaps CCP do not care much about faction warfare which means you are stuck with what you got. In any case, play the game, or quit. Plenty of things to do in EVE.


Solution: scrap the entire existing system and start over with a clean slate.


Hint: your accomplishments are going to be negated if/when CCP does fix it, you'll read about a wonderful downtime event where the Gallente took back 50% of the contested systems, giving a nice even start for FW round 2.

Sigvardt
Minmatar
Starfish S.M.B.A
Posted - 2009.06.07 11:37:00 - [81]
 

Dear Miss, or is it Mrs?, Merin Ryskin

Quote:

Then please, enlighten me as to exactly what the result of capturing systems under the FW system is, besides changing the name on the system info.



Absolutly nothing. You can ignore them and the only change is a change in ownership or dominance if you wish to call it that instead.

Quote:

Yes. It IS a problem, and the sooner CCP figures it out, the better. Until then, only your lame cloaking WCS frigate pilots will care about it.



I've already stated that I do not participate in FW and if I did I'd be on your side if you fight for Gallente/Minmatar.

Quote:

I seem to recall a wonderful thread complaining about cloaked plexing recently, why don't you go find it and read it?



I do not. A link would be appriciated.

Quote:

And regardless of the exact mechanics, the general point remains: the best way to win plexes is to spam tons of cheap ships and run away the moment a PvP opponent shows up. Guess what the Caldari did...


That does sound like a broken mechanic. You could do that same, but if you are vastly outnumbred it would be somewhat hard to match the enemys amount of noob ships/cheap ships.

But if the enemy runs away when you show up can you not just easily take the complex? It would allow you to prevent their victory.



Yes, exactly. It's a free war dec with lots of targets.

Oh, and it's not complaining, I'm laughing at you because you keep posting all these "OMG WE WIN FW WE ARE AWESOME" threads, conveniently overlooking the fact that you just farmed a bunch of NPCs in cloaking WCSed frigates.



Please get it into your skull that I do not participate in faction warfare and I am not part of either side nor their complex farming or lack thereof.

Quote:

Sure, you win, but it's hardly a huge achievement to brag about. You were playing unopposed, it's not even a game anymore.



A paper win is still a win. Our national soccer team lost a match because some idiot ran into the field and assulted the referee. That sucked, but it was the rules and we had agreed to them. Just like you and everyone else in faction warfare have agreed to the rules. Even if they are LAME and designed by a group of monkies

You can always leave FW and find better opportunities.

Quote:

Or option C: use FW as a free war dec with lots of targets, and laugh at the Caldari failmilitia every time they post their "victory" threads.


So you are playing a game to get a free war decleration and then you call the enemy fail when they play said game and you refuse?

Sounds like the only fail here is you.



Solution: scrap the entire existing system and start over with a clean slate.


Hint: your accomplishments are going to be negated if/when CCP does fix it, you'll read about a wonderful downtime event where the Gallente took back 50% of the contested systems, giving a nice even start for FW round 2.



I have no accomplishments in faction warfare. Pretty please with sugar on top get it into your apparantly thick skull.

Well here is me hoping they do change it so that you can show your superiority and completly annihialated the useless Caldari failmilitia. I'm not saying any side is worse or better than the opposing side at PvP. Here is what I am saying:

Under the current ruleset of faction warfare complexes are focal points of warfare and owning them means you can hold dominance over contested systems. If you own them all you can be said to have won. You have achived the objective of the game. Even if your enemy thinks its a useless objective. Rules are rules.

Therefore the argument that the enemys victory is hollow, fail, or just because nobody on the opposing team cared to play irrelevant and void. You agreed to the rules when you signed up.

Either you play the game or you GTFO and take your fail with you.

Tomo Yamaoka
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
Posted - 2009.06.07 11:55:00 - [82]
 

Sigvart, while I see where you are garnering your logical conclusions, and I understand how easily one could draw them from the outside looking in, what you are not seeing is what faction warfare actually is, as you said yourself, you are not involved.
Plexing is not only extremely unbalanced, it is a tremendous time sink. Even if you capture one unopposed, you are looking at sitting in one for fifteen to thirty minutes, with multiple waves of navy vessels coming to defend it...the real problem is the EWAR vessels involved there, as for some reason the caldari vessels have developed a way to permajam you at over a hundred km...and no amount of ECCM can counter it, which makes for a difficult battle should you encounter enemy militia forces. A frig pilot can easily capture most plex sites on their own on the caldari side, cloak tricks aside.
I'm sure all of this has been covered ad nauseum previously, but while your logic is sound there are these and other factors you are missing by not being a part of the war.

praznimrak
Gallente
Level Up
Posted - 2009.06.08 12:36:00 - [83]
 

Once more...FW IS FAIL:STOP PLAYING IT

Xianbei
Posted - 2009.06.08 14:29:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Sigvardt
lots of stuff


uh dude

they have tried to bring the pointlessness of it to CCPs attention and get things changed

nothing has been done, FW seems abandoned by CCP

not plexing at all is essentially the gallente way of protesting the flawed system

please read up on it a bit before throwing more steaming piles of %^^&% into the argument

Lord Zekk
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.06.09 11:37:00 - [85]
 

The idea behind this post was to show off a bit about what we accomplished which is something new for the 22nd and a bit of a big deal for us (regardless of whether or not there was a suicidal pilot in the carrier)

In retrospect it would have been better if it was kept private on our boards, but your first carrier kill can be exciting when you're a bunch of noobs, so it ended up on the forums.

Thanks for expressing your views guys. Lets put this one to bed.


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