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Slave 775
Ministry of Punishment
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2009.06.20 08:08:00 - [61]
 

supported ofc

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.06.20 10:43:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: TimMc on 20/06/2009 10:43:30
/support

Either this or make sentries do less damage to quick/small sig targets such as drones and frigates. Its irritating when you just have to watch in a taranis as your gang beat up someone, maybe shoot once and then warp out.

A wiseman
Kantian Principle

Posted - 2009.06.20 13:09:00 - [63]
 

def

fido goran
Aliastra

Posted - 2009.06.23 15:39:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: fido goran on 23/06/2009 15:42:38
/supported

Originally by: lollerwaffle
A solution around this would be having sentries only fire on drones that commit hostile acts (so logistics drones can be used like non-flashies use)


that would be a good thing to start with.

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2009.06.27 12:34:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
I think people have images here of huge permanant camps of Domi's and Ishtars with multiple sentry drones deployed in a transversal reducing [email protected] matrix around the gate. Not the case.


Yet.

If this were to happen you'd see min/maxed Domi camps RRing each other with deployed sentries and sensor boosters that make low sec even more unattractive to the casual pilot than it is.
Low sec needs a boost, not more incentives not to go there.

Larkonis TrassIer
State Breast Inspectorate
Posted - 2009.06.27 14:05:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
I think people have images here of huge permanant camps of Domi's and Ishtars with multiple sentry drones deployed in a transversal reducing [email protected] matrix around the gate. Not the case.


Yet.

If this were to happen you'd see min/maxed Domi camps RRing each other with deployed sentries and sensor boosters that make low sec even more unattractive to the casual pilot than it is.
Low sec needs a boost, not more incentives not to go there.


Whether he jumps into a camp of the above nature or a current lowsec camp the casual player is still boned either way.

Really, how many of the permacamped 0.0 chokepoints are camped in such a fashion where people don't have to worry about sentries at all?

UndeadMaster
Gallente
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2009.06.28 18:03:00 - [67]
 

I Agree because sentries shooting drones unbalances the races in lowsec. The guys that fly ships that dont have large drone bays, dont care, or like it the way it is because they can launch a bunch of crappy t1 drones to help them tank....meanwhile gallente in general and all the racial drone boats like the geddon, phoon, etc get screwed.

If we all had the same proportion of dps in drones, it wouldnt matter...but we dont.

jahaul6443
Posted - 2009.09.09 11:24:00 - [68]
 

not a good idea imo.

Some of you say "domi is useless at gatecamps" so are -all- frigate classes. This will change a wide range of common tactics. Like the one to engage battleships with a group of assaultfrigs when the bs got global. It will be useless to use Assaultships in lowsec then. Since they are good use when (bc/bs sized) enemies get gcc at stations/gates.

There are things you have to calculate with, when firing at someone. Dont want that to vanish in eve.

Lexa Hellfury
Immortal.
Posted - 2009.09.09 11:37:00 - [69]
 

Just give sentry guns tracking.

Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2009.09.10 23:15:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Lexa Hellfury
Just give sentry guns tracking.


This, tbh.

Lyvenrith Imshadar
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2009.09.11 09:56:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Lyvenrith Imshadar on 11/09/2009 09:56:28
Can't support it.

Personally, if tracking were added to sentry guns, I'd consider that a more proper rebalancing - I still have reservations about that, as well.

I knew when I started flying Gallente boats that sentries would engage my drones if I had GCC - it has yet to stop me from flying them.

Crotch Goblin
Posted - 2009.09.11 17:39:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Crotch Goblin on 11/09/2009 17:40:07
If you're a gallente pirate and say you aren't severely hindered by sentries you're full of it. The whole global aggression system needs fixed period. Why should two pirate corps in rr bs gangs fighting each other get sentry fire and lose drones. Anyone against this is a carebear sick of getting killed because they suck.

Actumarius
Caldari
No Compromise
Posted - 2009.09.20 07:32:00 - [73]
 

Yes please.

warlord Jampsey
Posted - 2009.09.20 08:59:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: warlord Jampsey on 20/09/2009 09:01:03
Edited by: warlord Jampsey on 20/09/2009 09:00:24
100% support

Milo Caman
Gallente
Anshar Incorporated
Posted - 2009.09.20 09:37:00 - [75]
 

Not supported. Makes using my Brutix on gates harder. No Drones to soak up sentry fire is baaad.

Vizaris Vain
Posted - 2009.09.20 15:13:00 - [76]
 

I agree.

RansomList
Posted - 2009.09.20 15:20:00 - [77]
 


Bunzan Cardinal
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:02:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 20/09/2009 19:04:43
Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 20/09/2009 19:03:53
not supported. I wouldnt even support this if i was still a pirate.

i like how you gave the reason of giving neuts a better chance of killing pirates as they would engage more, but all this is, is giving lazy gatecamping pirates more dps and gankage to kill their targets. Find a new day job if you cant hunt your targets.

RedSplat
Posted - 2009.09.20 19:26:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Bunzan Cardinal
Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 20/09/2009 19:04:43
Edited by: Bunzan Cardinal on 20/09/2009 19:03:53
not supported. I wouldnt even support this if i was still a pirate.

i like how you gave the reason of giving neuts a better chance of killing pirates as they would engage more, but all this is, is giving lazy gatecamping pirates more dps and gankage to kill their targets. Find a new day job if you cant hunt your targets.


Current situation penalizes Drone users.

What said drone users are doing it irrelevant as they can just come back in something that isnt a Droneboat.

If anything this change might hurt pies, its fairly common to spam flights of tech 1 drones to distract sentry guns.

EoH253
Posted - 2009.09.20 21:39:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: EoH253 on 20/09/2009 21:40:33
Supported.

Making drone carriers more capable would make low sec more diverse yes? Besides, if a pilot has to take his ship to a station to move drones from cargo holds to drone bay, drones may as well function as a temporary DPS boost on gates, like overheating. Making ships that rely more on drones for DPS then say (insert typical fleet BS here)less capable.

And the current aggro system doesn't just effect pirates. It effects anyone who is out in low sec and wants to get some pvp experience.

Robbie Robot
Posted - 2009.09.21 03:37:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer
I think people have images here of huge permanant camps of Domi's and Ishtars with multiple sentry drones deployed in a transversal reducing [email protected] matrix around the gate. Not the case.


Yet.

If this were to happen you'd see min/maxed Domi camps RRing each other with deployed sentries and sensor boosters that make low sec even more unattractive to the casual pilot than it is.
Low sec needs a boost, not more incentives not to go there.

Can't other BS RR? What breaks a gate camp? It isn't the guns. It is a larger fleet, or real life issues. Perhaps make smart bombs NOT hit stargates and turrets would balance it out a bit better.

I actually think this would be a nerf, because drones are used in gate camps as damage soakers.

Low Sec needs more incentives. I'd love to have some of the low grade null roids to be there. Definately not Mercoxit.

Lusulpher
Gallente
Posted - 2009.09.21 05:23:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Lusulpher on 21/09/2009 05:42:51
Originally by: Furb Killer
There are exactly two things sentry guns do to any camp involving several pirate ships:
1. It prevents them from using frigate sized ships
2. It prevents them from using drones


I dont think it is that good of an idea to remove one of the few uses sentry guns still have.


Just occurred to me, that Sentries don't even do their jobs. Once an aggressor has maxed the Sentry fire it's all RRgang blob. Sentries don't even call in backup.

Needed Lowsec Sentry changes:

3. 1 Sentry will now capacitor drain over time. Will also randomly switch targets to aggressing ships.

4. Increase # of cap-draining Sentries and intensity of drain, faster target changes.

5. CONCORD is spawned after 4 hours to defend their property. Bottlenecking non-sovereign space, with blobs is not good for gameplay.



RR camps are getting annoying. Every [worthy] pilot has it skilled and BSs can ignore sentry fire in groups so easily.

I see this as a boost to:
-Lowsec Population and Thouroughfare-More people will expect to be able to run small camps, and will find Capacitor-fitted BCs/BSs/Logistics to fight.
-Talented Fleet Management-An active fleet should be able to hold a gate without losing members for quite awhile, but they will eventually be driven back.(assuming people still live in crappy Lowsec)
-And Energy Xfer Array market share will rise. The skilltree will be trained

Nerf to:
-Talentless, lazy, nublet-ganking, perma-gatecamping.

And also drones are Pirate damage-sinks when used correctly in Idle mode. No real Pirate would want that gone.

Lusulpher, noticing gameplay flaws since he finally read the forums. '09

Th3rmite
Posted - 2009.09.21 06:16:00 - [83]
 

Give us pirates some loving for once :)

Nebula Dream
Posted - 2009.10.28 12:20:00 - [84]
 

Well the topic is here for quite a while and many things have been said - both supportive as well as those which are in contrary.

Let me do a quick summary and speak up my suggestions which I would like to address to CCP Devs.

Current situation (Apocrypha):

Talking about damage in EVE ranging from frig to BS we have basically 3 primary weapon types:

1. Missiles
2. Turrets
3. Drones

It is quite important to make it clear here, that by primary weapon we understand an essential part of the ship which is bringing through the nature of its purpose as well as through bonuses given by specific ship the major percentage of total DPS.

Now, there are ways in EVE to counter (this is very important word in my understanding "COUNTER" not to remove entirely) any of primary DPS weapon by multiple means; as an example you can use ECM to counter basically any primary weapon - for drones assuming you manage to keep a perma jam from the start), on top of that for missiles you can use FOFs which we know suck quite a lot (I know that CCP is looking into it atm); for turrets you can use tracking disruptors, sens. damps are here as well as a general tool (ofc ofc not much use at a close range); on top of that you can pop any drone which is harrasing you any time.


THE MESSAGE I WANT TO DELIVER TO ALL OF YOU - PLAYERS OF EVE AS WELL AS CCP DEVS IS:


SENTRIES IN LOWSEC SHOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH WHATEVER PVP AGGRESSION BY MEANS OF REMOVING ENTIRELY
THE PRIMARY WEAPON OF ANY SHIP



This is not about favouring any race or ships, this is about the way DPS is being delivered in EVE. Existing types of weapons should be respected and allowed to have a fair chance to live to its purpose in this game.

I have read carefully this entire thread and other similar as well. I know thoughts many of you thinking now, that with drones being "safe" in lowsec "WE HAVE A PROBLEM".

I do not agree.

Andy why?

1. A drone boat itself will be aggressed by sentries the same way as any other boat (missile or turret based); in fact there will be more DPS landing on the aggressing side, because sentries will not cycle through bunch of T1 drones used just to divert sents DPS.
2. You all use EFT the same way as I do and I believe most of you have done the homework to figure out that there is a balance in general and as such drone boat of its class has roughly the same DPS as turret boat of the same class, ofc with some variations etc etc, but in general yes, it does.
3. Pirates are today not ganking you in lowsec with Myrmidon but with Brutix, Hurricane or Harbinger, but they do (I am using those T1 BCs ofc just as an example Smile ). If the balance is restored, some of them will use Myrmidon instead of any of those 3, but the damage output will be similar, so what is the deal?

What will it bring?

More balance to lowsec in my eyes and I am sure many of EVE players can support it. People will be able to field also drone boats with their primary weapon in tact.

Should there be still a concern about too much ganking in lowsec, I do not mind this being topic to be discussed as well, there are ways to do it e.g.:

- give sentries more DPS
- implement tracking issue on sentries to allow smaller / faster ships to operate
- etc etc

But the issue itself is not about drones, it is more general and defines the lowsec as a whole.

So or so, drones as being for many ships primary weapon by its nature, should not be disadvantaged to other primary weapons in lowsec (they are not in 0.0 and not at war time), as in such a way substantial amount of offensive warfare is removed, but on a selective base, which is not fair.

Looking forward to read your responses, hopefully one of such being from CCP.

Many thanks for reading this.

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.10.28 13:44:00 - [85]
 



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