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Sweetiepie
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:29:00 - [1]
 

Is that against the rules to trade wow gold for eve isk? I cut down on my wow playtime and have shiploads of gold, so would it be breaking anything in the game if I try and find some one to trade with?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:33:00 - [2]
 

Yes.

Adam Junior
Gallente
The Black Ops
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:33:00 - [3]
 

Bad troll, I give you a 3/10.Rolling Eyes

Navtiqes
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:34:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Navtiqes on 29/05/2009 07:45:55
Probably not, but the muppet trading with you would be ridiculed accordingly and stripped of his epeen.

Sweetiepie
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:43:00 - [5]
 

thx for your inp Ill really hope I get an official answer from a staff of some kind. In the end nor wow or eve lose anything from a trade like this, everything stays in there games and nothing real change hands.

Sleepkevert
Amarr
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:50:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Sweetiepie
thx for your inp Ill really hope I get an official answer from a staff of some kind. In the end nor wow or eve lose anything from a trade like this, everything stays in there games and nothing real change hands.
If you want an official answer, use the petition system to ask your question. GM's rarely visit these forums and I don't think the devs will answer you.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:55:00 - [7]
 

You can't really "trade" wow gold for eve isk.

All you can do is to promise someone to give them wow gold in return of eve isk.

If people believe you that ... well, that is up to them. I wouldn't.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.29 07:59:00 - [8]
 

…or you can just read the Terms Of Service:
Originally by: Terms of Service
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.

11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.


Selling and purchasing ISK is prohibited, and I have a feeling it's the exact same for WoW, so you'd be kicked out of both games…

Navtiqes
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2009.05.29 08:09:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Navtiqes on 29/05/2009 08:11:06
Okay, that settles it then. Your glod isn't just useless here, it's technically illegal.

You might've got away with trading with a friend playing both games with you, but now that this post has put you on their radar there's no telling what fury will rain down on the both of you should you commit this act of heresy.

Major Deviant
Posted - 2009.05.29 08:16:00 - [10]
 

Kind of relative to the subject, and I always meant to ask this so I will fire away:

What about trading a WoW time code (scratchcard) for an EvE one? Both are out of game items, aren't they?


Alex Raptos
Caldari
Phoenix Rising.
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:05:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Major Deviant
Kind of relative to the subject, and I always meant to ask this so I will fire away:

What about trading a WoW time code (scratchcard) for an EvE one? Both are out of game items, aren't they?


Since the Eve time code now also has an Ingame Value (PLEX) It probably falls into the same rules as Isk for Gold.

Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:28:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Major Deviant
Kind of relative to the subject, and I always meant to ask this so I will fire away:

What about trading a WoW time code (scratchcard) for an EvE one? Both are out of game items, aren't they?


Since the Eve time code now also has an Ingame Value (PLEX) It probably falls into the same rules as Isk for Gold.


No.

Both are out of game items.

The ETC only becomes an in-game item (PLEX) when you convert it as such.

I'd say the poster would be fine with such a trade provided it wasn't conducted via Eve, the Eve forums or anything in game.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:34:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Alex Raptos
Originally by: Major Deviant
Kind of relative to the subject, and I always meant to ask this so I will fire away:

What about trading a WoW time code (scratchcard) for an EvE one? Both are out of game items, aren't they?


Since the Eve time code now also has an Ingame Value (PLEX) It probably falls into the same rules as Isk for Gold.
Makes no sense. Both are out-of-game objects and thus fall under standard trade laws. The fact that one of the objects in that trade can be converted to in-game items makes no difference because you're never transferring those items themselves and the cards themselves aren't tied to any particular person until they're actually "consumed".

CCP might have some issues with people acting as GTC resellers though, but I can't find anything about it in the policy section.

Using the game to advertise such a trade service might be a bit iffy, but on the other hand, GTC services are explicitly allowed according to §11 quoted above.


Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:35:00 - [14]
 

what about me helping a friend starting up? is there a limit where ccp takes interest? having 50-60 mil is good start for a new character (+3 implants and advanced learning skills).

what if someone want to quit and gives stuff to someone else? this could easily amount to billions. any guidelines or experience with this?

Zaqar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:36:00 - [15]
 

Since you can't lose anything in WoW, the 'gold' is mostly worthless. The exchange rate is gonna be pretty crazy - enough for a full set of elite cow armour* is gonna get you approximately enough ISK for a Bantam.

*you can tell I know what I'm talking about here

Hobgoblin ll
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:56:00 - [16]
 

Try it with some assets maybe, I once saw someone posting on the trade channel: "I buy you a horse in WoW if you buy me a Dominix in Eve."

Alex Raptos
Caldari
Phoenix Rising.
Posted - 2009.05.29 09:59:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Alex Raptos on 29/05/2009 10:00:08
Originally by: Hobgoblin ll
Try it with some assets maybe, I once saw someone posting on the trade channel: "I buy you a horse in WoW if you buy me a Dominix in Eve."
That person would be in deep trouble. Also, lol at the prices.

Nuzzy Futs
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:09:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Makes no sense. Both are out-of-game objects and thus fall under standard trade laws. The fact that one of the objects in that trade can be converted to in-game items makes no difference because you're never transferring those items themselves and the cards themselves aren't tied to any particular person until they're actually "consumed".

CCP might have some issues with people acting as GTC resellers though, but I can't find anything about it in the policy section.

Using the game to advertise such a trade service might be a bit iffy, but on the other hand, GTC services are explicitly allowed according to §11 quoted above.




One of those items can be owned the other cannot. you can own a game time card but ccp retains ownership of all in game items.

AncientLord
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:35:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: AncientLord on 29/05/2009 10:36:32


Rofl... nice to see so many idiots here. ugh


Sweetiepie:

If you have more then 5k gold it is work like 120$. With that $$$ you coud buy a GTC's and get a medium chracter.


Leave the idiots alone, they dont have a brain.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:48:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/05/2009 10:52:07
Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/05/2009 10:51:45
A long time ago i saw a similar topic, i believe a GM/ccp'er said that it was allowed, but not sure.

Edit: I was wrong, here what nav says:
Click me

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:51:00 - [21]
 

I wouldnt do it though any isk seller or any companized service, go find somone going to the wow game in eve (good luck with that) and do the exchange spots so to say.

Raekone
Absolut Profit
Posted - 2009.05.29 10:52:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Raekone on 29/05/2009 10:52:51
Since no real money is involved it should be perfectly fine, although the potential customer loss should be a concern?

edit
Although tbh personally I'd probably be more likely to do isk -> wow gold lol

Chrysalis D'lilth
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:02:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tippia
…or you can just read the Terms Of Service:
Originally by: Terms of Service
10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.

11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.


Selling and purchasing ISK is prohibited, and I have a feeling it's the exact same for WoW, so you'd be kicked out of both games…


Since i'm bored and I think this discussion is pretty silly, i'll Play devil's advocate....

Article 10 permits the trade of ingame items for ingame items. Both WoW gold and EvE isk are ingame items, the fact they are ingame items in different games does not detract from the fact they are ingame items. While the article might be intending to talk about EvE related ingame items only, it does not state that in the article. In fact, it specifically relates to EvE products in other articles so one can assume that this was purposefully left out of this article to allow for this.

Article 11 discusses the sale of out of game goods - currency in an online game is not an out of game good, so clearly this article does not apply to the OP question.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:08:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 29/05/2009 11:09:28
Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth
Article 10 permits the trade of ingame items for ingame items. […] In fact, it specifically relates to EvE products in other articles so one can assume that this was purposefully left out of this article to allow for this.
Advocating like this will get the Devil curb-stomped and suspended from the game. Wink
Quote:
Article 11 discusses the sale of out of game goods - currency in an online game is not an out of game good
WoW currency exists outside of EVE, so it certainly applies.

If it weren't we'd be able to do this and ransom them for all their gold… so that shows how much their silly currency is worth. Razz

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:14:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 29/05/2009 11:14:34
Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth
Since i'm bored and I think this discussion is pretty silly, i'll Play devil's advocate....

Article 10 permits the trade of ingame items for ingame items. Both WoW gold and EvE isk are ingame items, the fact they are ingame items in different games does not detract from the fact they are ingame items. While the article might be intending to talk about EvE related ingame items only, it does not state that in the article. In fact, it specifically relates to EvE products in other articles so one can assume that this was purposefully left out of this article to allow for this.

Article 11 discusses the sale of out of game goods - currency in an online game is not an out of game good, so clearly this article does not apply to the OP question.




Nit picking on the wording of the law vs the spirit of the law may work in court with a highly paid lawyer, but CCP will stick to the spirit and ban your ass.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:25:00 - [26]
 

…also, they tie the TOS to the EULA, which defines "game" as EVE, so out-of-game is the equivalent of out-of-EVE anyway.

gfldex
Posted - 2009.05.29 11:28:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Sweetiepie
thx for your inp Ill really hope I get an official answer from a staff of some kind. In the end nor wow or eve lose anything from a trade like this, everything stays in there games and nothing real change hands.


Hit F12 and ask a GM. The forum is not the right place for that question.

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2009.05.29 12:11:00 - [28]
 

Hit me up ingame! YARRRR!!

Chrysalis D'lilth
Posted - 2009.05.29 12:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Edited by: Washell Olivaw on 29/05/2009 11:14:34
Nit picking on the wording of the law vs the spirit of the law may work in court with a highly paid lawyer, but CCP will stick to the spirit and ban your ass.



Oh, I don't disagree - its a silly discussion, as was quoting a part of the TOS in reply to the kind of question that your average bored troll would post.

I'm pretty sure anyone who plays Eve (or any online game for that matter), knows that the answer is 'no'.

GM Nova

Posted - 2009.05.29 14:10:00 - [30]
 

Exchanging WoW gold for ISK is prohibited.



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