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K1K1R1K1
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.05.24 15:43:00 - [1]
 

So I've been shaving for more than a few years now and wanna find out if there are ways to make it suck less. I've noticed a few odd things about shaving that I wanna share, and I wanna see what methods you guys (and the occasional bearded lady) use to make it less painful. I use a Gillette Mach 3 razor (I tried the fusion thing... meh, I went back to the Mach 3). So here's some things I've noticed and have problems with.

1.) New blades suck. For some reason (probably because they're so bloody sharp), new blades give me more cuts. I prefer a used razor (2 or 3 shaves) over a new one. Am I the only one who does/prefers this?

2.) Shaving every day is impossible for me. Shaving every other day is painful. Shaving every third day is tolerable. Shaving every 4th day is essentially painless. What gives? The longer my hair grows out, the less painful shaving gets (yet I cut it down equally smooth no matter how long it is). Is there a way around this? I don't want to look like a hobo the majority of the time just so that I can have a painless shave. And no, my hair doesn't grow slower than normal. It's average if anything (ie: you can tell I haven't shaved after a day).

3.) I shave against the grain. Everything I read about shaving says to shave with the grain. When I do so I miss a lot of hair. So which way is better?

4.) I tried different ways to make it less painful. Such as really massaging the shaving cream into my skin after rinsing my face with hot water (after a shower), to just slapping it on dry skin just before I'm about to head out. It seems to make little difference (just putting it on dry skin is worse, but not as much as I had expected). Anyone here have a technique that works?

I don't know any older guys I can really ask about this, and my friends are all about as ill-informed and experienced as I am. So if you know something I don't, please share the knowledge.

Thanks

Xrak
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.05.24 16:10:00 - [2]
 

This is pretty much the reason I have a beard.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2009.05.24 16:20:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 24/05/2009 16:40:55

Oh, boy, does that sound awfully familiar Twisted Evil


If you shave AGAINST the grain, true, it's much easier to get a "clean" feel faster, and with less strokes.
However, the "end" of the shaven hair will get below the skin (especially if you have a soft/puffy face), and you have a good chance of it becoming slightly in-grown (the puffier the face, and the closer the cut, the higher the chance).
And since we're talking such large numbers of hairs, those chances translate in almost certain numbers.
Also, the tougher the hairs, the nastier it gets.
It's those tiny in-growings that cause bumps on the skin the second day after a shave (some persist 2 days after a shave) that cause you pain when shaving again, since you're actually cutting small portions of skin off.


You have several choices here, but the first one is not too pleasant (second one, not that great either).

The easiest thing to do is to keep shaving against the grain, and only shaving when you NEED to be looking good. Basically, accept that this is how it's supposed to be and give up any hope of improvement.
The nasty solution (in the short run) but with best overall effect would be to give up shaving altogether and try epilation instead. I know what you're thinking, "ouch". Yup, that's about it. Crazy as hell, but works.

And finally, the only sensible choice : shaving with the grain.
New blades don't suck if you go "with" the grain, you actually want a blade that's as sharp as possible.
You also should wash your face before shaving, let it soak for a while (say, while brushing your teeth), and add as much water to your shaving foam/cream/gel as possible so it's still relatively firm on your face. Applying some shaving cream right out of the tube on your dry face would be the worst thing you can possibly do.
Then, start shaving with the grain. With each and every stroke, RINSE the razor blade, especially if you have slightly longer hairs. Hairs stuck in the razor will stop it from working properly and it's unavoidable to "miss" some spots that way. Once you start shaving daily, you won't need to rinse all that often since the hairs just go between the blades instead of getting stuck in it and impeding the operation.
Also, it's important to not push too hard, the harder you push, the higher the chance of cuts, and you don't really get a cleaner cut.
After you're done with the first run (again, especially the first few times as you get used to daily shaving while you still have longer hairs), wash up, AND REPEAT THE PROCESS (soaking, applying watered-down cream, shave) to get all remaining longer hairs. Later on, as you get used to the daily shave, you will skip this second shaving, but you should do it every time you don't shave for a few days again.
If you INSIST on a cleaner cut, you can go SOFTLY against the grain in the "really rough-feeling" areas on your second shave, but just glide the razor as softly as possible over it, barely touching the skin.

If you've done it all as described, you shouldn't even need aftershave (but feel free to use it anyway).
Just like before, try to apply it on MOIST skin, with some added water.
Don't wipe your face with a towel, let it dry by evaporation.


Well, that about covers it, I guess.


TL;DR :
* dry beard bad, soaking wet beard good
* dull or dirty razor bad, clean sharp razor good
* pushing against grain very bad, gliding with grain very good
* gliding very gently against grain in rough patches on second shave, somewhat acceptable

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2009.05.24 16:23:00 - [4]
 

Always shave after a shower - the pores will be open, and the hair wet. Easiest time for you to do it with the least resistant.

Use foam instead of gel, try and get a Gillette "Software Shave" one. Do not use gel.

Use a decent Mach 3 (I see you already are).

Shave with the grain first go, then go against the grain second go. This will give much less resistant.

Do not push firmly against your skin, just let the razor glide over it without putting using too much force.

Maxivo
Actus Reus.
Posted - 2009.05.24 16:39:00 - [5]
 

I aint shaved in years, I use a trimmer that leaves me with some stubble. Makes me look sexy.

Xrak
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.05.24 17:10:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Grez


Use foam instead of gel, try and get a Gillette "Software Shave" one. Do not use gel.




Sorry but I have to utterly and totally disagree with you here.

Firstly, some clarification. There is foam, gel-foam, gel and oil. Foam is the normally shaving foam stuff that everyone knows, gel-foam is the stuff that comes out of a pressurised can as gel and turns into a foam like substance, and finally gel, comes out of a squeezy bottle like gel, and stays like gel on your face. Oil I have never used.

I highly, highly recommend that you try the real gel stuff, eg Bulldog Shave Gel (UK only) or King of Shaves Gel. They provide a much smoother glide over the skin and leave the skin feeling less like it has just been attacked with a razor.



Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2009.05.24 17:41:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 24/05/2009 17:43:55
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 24/05/2009 17:42:42
Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 24/05/2009 17:41:19
Originally by: K1K1R1K1
So I've been shaving for more than a few years now and wanna find out if there are ways to make it suck less. I've noticed a few odd things about shaving that I wanna share, and I wanna see what methods you guys (and the occasional bearded lady) use to make it less painful. I use a Gillette Mach 3 razor (I tried the fusion thing... meh, I went back to the Mach 3). So here's some things I've noticed and have problems with.

1.) New blades suck. For some reason (probably because they're so bloody sharp), new blades give me more cuts. I prefer a used razor (2 or 3 shaves) over a new one. Am I the only one who does/prefers this?

2.) Shaving every day is impossible for me. Shaving every other day is painful. Shaving every third day is tolerable. Shaving every 4th day is essentially painless. What gives? The longer my hair grows out, the less painful shaving gets (yet I cut it down equally smooth no matter how long it is). Is there a way around this? I don't want to look like a hobo the majority of the time just so that I can have a painless shave. And no, my hair doesn't grow slower than normal. It's average if anything (ie: you can tell I haven't shaved after a day).

3.) I shave against the grain. Everything I read about shaving says to shave with the grain. When I do so I miss a lot of hair. So which way is better?

4.) I tried different ways to make it less painful. Such as really massaging the shaving cream into my skin after rinsing my face with hot water (after a shower), to just slapping it on dry skin just before I'm about to head out. It seems to make little difference (just putting it on dry skin is worse, but not as much as I had expected). Anyone here have a technique that works?

I don't know any older guys I can really ask about this, and my friends are all about as ill-informed and experienced as I am. So if you know something I don't, please share the knowledge.

Thanks


1 - no, i never take 3 blades over 2 blades and i stay away from Gillette. Even though they are sharper, i would much rather have ****-poor sharpness ... less cuts.

2,3 - shaving every other day if you DO NOT SHAVE AGAINST THE GRAIN, is ok, even for those that have skin that irritates easily. :)

4 - You might have a problem with using shaving cream. Personally, i prefer normal soap and water ... less irritation. I also dillute after-shave lotion, same problem really.

PS: Big hint ... shave AFTER hot shower.

Originally by: Grez
Always shave after a shower - the pores will be open, and the hair wet. Easiest time for you to do it with the least resistant.

Use foam instead of gel, try and get a Gillette "Software Shave" one. Do not use gel.

Use a decent Mach 3 (I see you already are).

Shave with the grain first go, then go against the grain second go. This will give much less resistant.

Do not push firmly against your skin, just let the razor glide over it without putting using too much force.


QFT

PS: When's the topic about shaving pubic hair making an appearence ?

Constantine Arcanum
Bad Company DBD
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.05.24 17:49:00 - [8]
 

shave with the grain. takes ages but doesnt mess your skin up.

defiler
Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.24 19:08:00 - [9]
 

Hmm, as I recall I never did manage to get razor burn from those Mach 3 contraptions myself. You probably press the razor too hard against your skin if you find used blades better or maybe you use crappy cream/gel. But I don't know, as I said I never really had any problems with those things. Just a pass with the grain to get the stubble down to a minimum and another against and that was it. And it was so... boring.

I'm an advocate of "classic" shaving. I threw away my M3 a few years ago and bought something a bit more old-fashioned and I've never looked back. Apart from cut-throat straight razors (which I don't quite have the courage to try) these safety razors can give the best shave possible in skilled hands.

The potential for... poor results is just as great of course, it typically takes around 10 minutes to shave, you will hurt yourself until you get the skills to use it properly (can take months to perfect) and quality gear is quite expensive. That said, I still recommend that you at least consider it as it may just be what you need to get good results. If it's not quite your thing then just get an electric razor and forget all about it.

If you do go for it however, you will hopefully eventually learn to do it right and the investment will pay off quite quickly - soap and blades are dirt cheap. As for the 10 minute ritual with the brush and all that... Time well spent IMHO, for me shaving is a very zen moment that clears my thoughts and puts me in a decent mood (even if I mess up a bit, which happens from time to time).

K1K1R1K1
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.05.24 20:33:00 - [10]
 

Everyone's saying to shave with the grain. Guess I'll try that again, except being a lot more patient with it this time around. And I'll try the fusion as well going with the grain to compare to the mach 3. Oh, and I use the Gillette sensitive skin gel. I assume it's fairly good stuff.

Elena Khan
Posted - 2009.05.24 20:42:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Elena Khan on 24/05/2009 20:43:45


i used to use a leccy shaver, but gave up as the stubble was a B######EmbarassedCrying or Very sad

i now use a tripple blade turbo whatever, it helps to use hair shampoo(with conditioner) to soften up the hairs and lubricate the skin, works well for me, and not so much rough unsightly stubble....ShockedWink

nice and smooth Laughing

(though im not saying wot or where)LaughingLaughingLaughing

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2009.05.24 21:53:00 - [12]
 

I tend to shave last thing at night on the off chance i make an arse of it I won't be showing up to work with cuts all over my face Laughing

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.05.24 22:03:00 - [13]
 

I never shave in between Guard drills. I just hate doing it, and even though I'm not much to look at in the first place I think I look better unshaven.

When I do shave I use that razor with the five blades, and generally only use shaving cream the first time I shave after going a long period without it. Water works fine after that. I always use short strokes of the razor, and run it under the water frequently. Long strokes or infrequent blade washing let shaving cream and hair condense over the cutting edge of the blades and as a result you'll end up with less cutting efficiency and more irritation.

Brea Lafail
Posted - 2009.05.24 23:35:00 - [14]
 

Get an electric. Leaves a bit of stubble, but is faster, easier, and generally less annoying.


rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.05.25 03:48:00 - [15]
 

I personally cant shave as it causes me to have acne.

I use a high quality electric razor, and it works great. gets so close its smooth to the touch and I look fine, without the pain.

Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Caeli Veredictum
Posted - 2009.05.25 05:37:00 - [16]
 

I use a mach 3 myself, had the same one since I was 16, it went with me through the army and I still use it today.

I shave against the grain, then touch up in the shower without a mirror. Seems to work better because I feel the stubble as opposed to looking at it in the mirror. Gets a much closer shave in my opinion.

It sounds weird, but I also use hand lotion on my face after I shave and I never have razor burn or bumps or anything.

I don't shave every day since I'm a civilian now, I shave when I feel like it. Probably 2-3 times a week at best.

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.05.25 06:18:00 - [17]
 

One thing to do to avoid ingrown hairs is to use an anti-acne solution after you shave. Just use one of those acne pads advertised for teens, and it'll do the trick. I think it's the alcohol in them, but it helps close the pores and maybe tighten the skin. At any rate, it's what a doctor once recommended, and I can attest to the fact that if I do it after shaving I'm a lot less itchy, especially in humid weather, and completely ingrown-free.

Also since it closes the pores you're a lot less susceptible to allergens.

Onto the OP's points:

1) A friend of mine theorized on this back in college: he believes, and I agree, that new razors are so annoying because they're brand new (bear with me). You've just stopped using a used razor that is duller and more refined to your use. Suddenly, you're using a new one, but still using it like the dull one. So you're doing more work than you need to, thus it doesn't result in the same type of shave. If you've got the money, just use a new razor every time and you won't have a problem.

2) I'm in the same boat. Luckily, I don't care how I look, and can go quite a while without shaving. I make up for the lack of facial hair coverage I've got (thanks Dad) by using an electric clipper, one of those handy beard clippers with all the attachments (also great for my head), to make it look like I shaved yesterday or the day before.

3) Me too. Thanks to this thread, I may change my lazy ways.

4) Do you rinse your blade in cold water? I've found that the best wa to make it less painful (thank you Good Morning Vietnam), along with doing it after a hot shower has loosed up the skin and opened the pores -- there's a reason old barber shop shaving scenes always involved a warm towel around the face.

Nuala Reece
Caldari
TROJAN LEGIONS
TROJAN.
Posted - 2009.05.25 10:47:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: K1K1R1K1
Everyone's saying to shave with the grain. Guess I'll try that again, except being a lot more patient with it this time around. And I'll try the fusion as well going with the grain to compare to the mach 3. Oh, and I use the Gillette sensitive skin gel. I assume it's fairly good stuff.


I think it's about the one thing everyone agrees on when it comes to shaving - shave with the grain. Some of the things you describe I have too and I've always assumed it because my facial hair is quite thick, which makes it harder to shave comfortably and harder to get a close shave. If that's the case for you try shaving while you're in the shower - that way you can get your stubble soft more easily before you even start. Also the heat will open your pores letting you get a closer shave.

I've tried all sorts of the fancy baldes over the years, with and without guards, moisturising strips, buttons, go faster stripes etc etc but these days I just use disposable ones - for some reason they seem to pull less (I'm bad for leaving it at least 3 or 4 days in between shaves) and cause less irritation all round.

I've been using King of Shaves gel lately too - don't really know if it's any better than anything else, it just tickles me how ridiculously manly they try to make it - it's not shaving gel, for instance, it's Shaving Software using SSE (Shave Surface Enhancing technology) with mDDS (micro dual delivery System). It's all very Grrr! Better yet one of the varieties, the MagnaGlide ARB (Anti-Razor Burn), comes in what can only be described as Engine Grease Brown - there's days I feel like I should be shaving with a Bowie knife using that stuff Very Happy

Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.25 15:43:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Maxivo
I aint shaved in years, I use a trimmer that leaves me with some stubble. Makes me look sexy.


This, can't speak for my sexiness thoughVery Happy

Axon Atom
Posted - 2009.05.25 20:58:00 - [20]
 

"3.) I shave against the grain. Everything I read about shaving says to shave with the grain. When I do so I miss a lot of hair. So which way is better?"

huh I was taught much differently then the thread it seems.

!st off, soak your face in hot water, like SCLODING HOT water, ok not that hot but yeah soak your face in it for like 1-2 mins overall.

Then use foam/gel foam.

Then cut with the grain, down your face.

THEN cut against the grain. In all the spots that have no foam left. This is painless and yet gets all the hair you missed.

This si the same way women shave thier legs in fact. At least the women I know. Shave with to get rid of all the thick stuff, then painlessly shave against to make it baby smooth.


Try it, and tell me how it works out for you.

Also if you have some ingrown hairs, soak your face for like 5-10 mins the 1st time, shaving agiasnt the grain right off the bat can give you ingrown hair that make it easier to get cut.



also for the record, I can shave using nothign but water with this method.

...

not that you should mind you :/

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2009.05.25 21:35:00 - [21]
 

There's so many suggestions around for that thing, unfortunately most work only for people with a weak beard. In the 22 years I've been shaving, I haven't found a perfect method yet, although the following turned out to be true (for someone with a really strong/stubborn beard):

- use a shaving brush and foam (not gel). not only is it less messy (on your hands etc.), but it spreads the foam better

- I've found that even cheap single use, 2 blade razors will do the job fine, there's no benefit in using "Mach 3" and other stuff like that. Just make sure you shave with the grain and - important! - use the same "path" always, your beard gets used to it. E.g. I always start near the ears and do the chin last.

- old razors are the biggest problem, try not to use them

- electric razors work well for people with a strong beard, but you need to use them several times/day and they need a lot of cleaning too

Also, if you feel like not shaving, just don't do it and go out with the stubble.


mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
Posted - 2009.05.25 23:12:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: mamolian on 25/05/2009 23:13:32

Pretty familiar story.. I hate shaving.. Nowadays I just use one of these:
http://www.braun.com/global/products/shavinggrooming/beardcare/beardcare.html
And just trim my facial hair on the shortest setting every few days.

Technomagez
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.26 00:08:00 - [23]
 

Muahahahaha, amateurs, noobs ....

I shave dry, I use an electrical shaver with some nice features, I never cut myself, therefor I never bleed.
It does not irritate my skin and does not hurt at all.
I'm a true DEMIGOD!
Just as the crappy new Eve Intro says....

Every ... hm.. like 2 years.. you have to buy a new blade, they ain't really expensive and other than that you just have to pay for the electricity, which is reasonably cheap thanks to my friend the atom.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2009.05.26 08:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Technomagez
Muahahahaha, amateurs, noobs ....

I shave dry, I use an electrical shaver with some nice features, I never cut myself, therefor I never bleed.
It does not irritate my skin and does not hurt at all.
I'm a true DEMIGOD!
Just as the crappy new Eve Intro says....

Every ... hm.. like 2 years.. you have to buy a new blade, they ain't really expensive and other than that you just have to pay for the electricity, which is reasonably cheap thanks to my friend the atom.


But you're a girl!


TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.26 10:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Brea Lafail
Get an electric. Leaves a bit of stubble, but is faster, easier, and generally less annoying.




This. I am blonde so can't even see the stubble.

Giannamichaels
Posted - 2009.05.26 10:27:00 - [26]
 

May i advise a product called the original source shave gel mint and tea tree, this leaves you feeling amazing after a shave and really makes my girly parts tingle and feel quite lovely after a shave down below.

dr doooo
Posted - 2009.05.26 10:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: K1K1R1K1
So I've been shaving for more than a few years now and wanna find out if there are ways to make it suck less. I've noticed a few odd things about shaving that I wanna share, and I wanna see what methods you guys (and the occasional bearded lady) use to make it less painful. I use a Gillette Mach 3 razor (I tried the fusion thing... meh, I went back to the Mach 3). So here's some things I've noticed and have problems with.

1.) New blades suck. For some reason (probably because they're so bloody sharp), new blades give me more cuts. I prefer a used razor (2 or 3 shaves) over a new one. Am I the only one who does/prefers this?

2.) Shaving every day is impossible for me. Shaving every other day is painful. Shaving every third day is tolerable. Shaving every 4th day is essentially painless. What gives? The longer my hair grows out, the less painful shaving gets (yet I cut it down equally smooth no matter how long it is). Is there a way around this? I don't want to look like a hobo the majority of the time just so that I can have a painless shave. And no, my hair doesn't grow slower than normal. It's average if anything (ie: you can tell I haven't shaved after a day).

3.) I shave against the grain. Everything I read about shaving says to shave with the grain. When I do so I miss a lot of hair. So which way is better?

4.) I tried different ways to make it less painful. Such as really massaging the shaving cream into my skin after rinsing my face with hot water (after a shower), to just slapping it on dry skin just before I'm about to head out. It seems to make little difference (just putting it on dry skin is worse, but not as much as I had expected). Anyone here have a technique that works?

I don't know any older guys I can really ask about this, and my friends are all about as ill-informed and experienced as I am. So if you know something I don't, please share the knowledge.

Thanks


(relatively) Old man here.

Make sure that you only apply light pressure against your skin when shaving, but at the same time use confident firm strokes if you know what I mean. I don't 'buy' all the fancy expensive razor business myself. One of those big cards of 2 blade razors from Aldi/lydl does me for pretty much years.

When I was younger I preferred a slightly used razor and shaved against the grain. As I've got older I need a sharper razor and shave against the grain in places and with the grain, followed by a quick once over against, in others. Horses for courses. Have you tried what the barbers do - Hold a hot wet flannel against your face for a while before you shave?




ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2009.05.26 11:41:00 - [28]
 

I was in a hurry this morning so had to shave dry. I feel shredded. Not one single cut though.

baltec1
Posted - 2009.05.26 11:49:00 - [29]
 

I dry shave with a blunt electric shaver.

I'Can'Has'Hauler
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.05.26 16:55:00 - [30]
 

I shave with my hunting knife and moist my face with my own urin.



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