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Tavak
Minmatar
Red Hawks
Posted - 2009.05.23 20:51:00 - [1]
 

Here for advice for what best to fit for looting miners' cans of ore.

I usually work as a two man team, me in a frigate, assistance in a hauler.

When I first set this up, I fit a really quick frigate basically to get the can, flip the ore, and get out if necessary. I figured, if anyone was gonna lock me and shoot, then I wouldnt put up much of a fight in a frigate anyway so it doesnt matter what I fly. So I fit for speed.

Then, typically, I found that miners did sometimes lock me, and sometimes there were frig/destroyer guards that would lock.

So I fit out a Rifter. For a time, the fighting was good and I got a lot of kills under my belt, plus all the ore. But that was when this character was new, and I think I got locked simply because they thought it would be an easy kill.

Now in my Rifter, no-one wants to fight, not unless they can be sure of a win. Which is fine as primarily I'm there for the ore. But now I'm finding that maybe I want a faster frigate. If I'm there for the ore and I need to get out, then maybe the Slasher is the way to go.

What do other pirates out there think? Or should I fly something else completely?

Imertu Solientai
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.23 21:14:00 - [2]
 

Fly the biggest hauler you can get, and you're still invulnerable if you do it right. First, align to the station flying in the direction of the can. Select the station at this point. Once you get within looting distance (2.5km), right click -> open it, select all, and take it. Now, click warp as fast as possible.

You could do it in an iteron 5 with full cargo expanders while being targeted by a sensor-boosted ceptor and survive if you do it right.

McFly
Peanut Factory
Posted - 2009.05.23 21:18:00 - [3]
 

frig flips can, frig warps, orca sitting <70km away decloaks, and tractors can. two pilots must be in same corp, but the flipper is the only one that aggresses, once the can is a corp can the orca can tractor it and scoop with no problems.

Senghir
Amarr
Sword Of The Empire
Posted - 2009.05.23 21:22:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Senghir on 23/05/2009 21:22:58
Originally by: Imertu Solientai
Fly the biggest hauler you can get, and you're still invulnerable if you do it right. First, align to the station flying in the direction of the can. Select the station at this point. Once you get within looting distance (2.5km), right click -> open it, select all, and take it. Now, click warp as fast as possible.

You could do it in an iteron 5 with full cargo expanders while being targeted by a sensor-boosted ceptor and survive if you do it right.


I'm not the hauler, my partner is. We have a very safe method, one that I havent seen many practice but that is very profitable.

I warp in in a frigate. I get to the can very quickly. I jet a rocket or something, then I transfer the entire can contents to my jetted one.
Then my partner warps to me in a hauler and starts looting my can. THey do not have kill rights, so even if there is 20k m3, they can warp back and forth from station.
I stay by the can guarding it just to make sure the miner or their hauler doesnt grab the loot and run whilst my partner is hauling it.

What I want to know is what frigate should I fly?
Do I go for something fast so I can get in and out fast if I need to, or if they have haulers, toget in and take it before they wake up and realise what's going on?
Or do I fit one that has a bit more firepower?
Thing is, the firepower is a bit slower and does mean that in the tight situations, we dont get as much ore as we would. Plus, it's slightly slower warping between the belts looking for loot, and time is a factor. It has to be as efficient as possible.
But, then again, if I need to fight, then the firepower is better. Then again, I'm finding that no-one really wants to fight any more and those that do are enough to overpower any frigate.

*edit: this is my other character. Cant find a way to make my alt the default poster for htis thread.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.05.23 21:27:00 - [5]
 

Use a noobship to flip the can and the hauler to scoop your newly acquired ore. No need to look for combat if you're just after the ore.

Maverick 52
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.05.23 21:32:00 - [6]
 

Fly a Punisher. If you fly and fit it right, you can fight ships outside your weight class and survive. Not as speedy though.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2009.05.23 21:57:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Senghir
Edited by: Senghir on 23/05/2009 21:22:58
Originally by: Imertu Solientai
Fly the biggest hauler you can get, and you're still invulnerable if you do it right. First, align to the station flying in the direction of the can. Select the station at this point. Once you get within looting distance (2.5km), right click -> open it, select all, and take it. Now, click warp as fast as possible.

You could do it in an iteron 5 with full cargo expanders while being targeted by a sensor-boosted ceptor and survive if you do it right.


I'm not the hauler, my partner is. We have a very safe method, one that I havent seen many practice but that is very profitable.

I warp in in a frigate. I get to the can very quickly. I jet a rocket or something, then I transfer the entire can contents to my jetted one.
Then my partner warps to me in a hauler and starts looting my can. THey do not have kill rights, so even if there is 20k m3, they can warp back and forth from station.




That sounds a wee-bit exploity.

Senghir
Amarr
Sword Of The Empire
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:06:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney


That sounds a wee-bit exploity.


Not at all. Totally legit. Stuff has been able to be taken from cans since forever. That's all I'm doing. I'm taking their ore. Once I've got that ore, it's mine to do with as I please. No exploit about it. After all, they do have kill rights on me for taking it.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:15:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Senghir
Originally by: Emperor Cheney


That sounds a wee-bit exploity.


Not at all. Totally legit. Stuff has been able to be taken from cans since forever. That's all I'm doing. I'm taking their ore. Once I've got that ore, it's mine to do with as I please. No exploit about it. After all, they do have kill rights on me for taking it.


But they don't get kill rights on your friend, who does all the actual work of moving the goods. That's what sounds exploity.

Imertu Solientai
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.23 22:19:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Senghir
Edited by: Senghir on 23/05/2009 21:22:58
Originally by: Imertu Solientai
Fly the biggest hauler you can get, and you're still invulnerable if you do it right. First, align to the station flying in the direction of the can. Select the station at this point. Once you get within looting distance (2.5km), right click -> open it, select all, and take it. Now, click warp as fast as possible.

You could do it in an iteron 5 with full cargo expanders while being targeted by a sensor-boosted ceptor and survive if you do it right.


I'm not the hauler, my partner is. We have a very safe method, one that I havent seen many practice but that is very profitable.

I warp in in a frigate. I get to the can very quickly. I jet a rocket or something, then I transfer the entire can contents to my jetted one.
Then my partner warps to me in a hauler and starts looting my can. THey do not have kill rights, so even if there is 20k m3, they can warp back and forth from station.
I stay by the can guarding it just to make sure the miner or their hauler doesnt grab the loot and run whilst my partner is hauling it.

What I want to know is what frigate should I fly?
Do I go for something fast so I can get in and out fast if I need to, or if they have haulers, toget in and take it before they wake up and realise what's going on?
Or do I fit one that has a bit more firepower?
Thing is, the firepower is a bit slower and does mean that in the tight situations, we dont get as much ore as we would. Plus, it's slightly slower warping between the belts looking for loot, and time is a factor. It has to be as efficient as possible.
But, then again, if I need to fight, then the firepower is better. Then again, I'm finding that no-one really wants to fight any more and those that do are enough to overpower any frigate.

*edit: this is my other character. Cant find a way to make my alt the default poster for htis thread.


Use an interceptor then. It's fast enough to grab the loot in time, and it has enough speed and firepower to tackle and hurt anything that tries to intervene.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2009.05.24 00:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Imertu Solientai
Use an interceptor then. It's fast enough to grab the loot in time, and it has enough speed and firepower to tackle and hurt anything that tries to intervene.


Interceptors also have a lower signature radius, so they're a teensy bit harder to lock.

Cypherous
Minmatar
Lions of Judah Incorporated
Posted - 2009.05.24 01:59:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney


But they don't get kill rights on your friend, who does all the actual work of moving the goods. That's what sounds exploity.


Nope but he would get rights against his friend if not ganged so the mechanic is working as intended, they get to fry the frig and loot it back if they want to so no exploit here :)

ISHKUR MASTER
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.24 04:22:00 - [13]
 

orca stationed in belt.
two characters with standings set to +10 on each, no gang/fleet
noob in frig flips.
orca can access can without being in corp or gang because of positive standings.

Agent Known
Posted - 2009.05.24 05:49:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Use a noobship to flip the can and the hauler to scoop your newly acquired ore. No need to look for combat if you're just after the ore.


This.

Or, use a shuttle. They have insane agility (almost as much as a pod), and are also fast and extremely cheap. Flip the ore, then hauler grabs it.
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