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Nifter Zatch
Posted - 2009.05.22 05:14:00 - [1]
 

I am a fairly new character (1.7 mill SP), and have recently gotten tired of waiting for my learning skills to finish training.

My next step is picking a larger ship to train and to hold my own in future LV4 missions and exploration sites that I probe out. I was thinking of going straight to cruiser and battlecruiser, for their viability in PVP as well as PVE. However I keep reading that I need a BS to do well in LV4 type missions, and my choice of the hurricane is told to fit shield tank modules for LV4 rather than my preferred armor tanking method.

I have a couple of questions:
Should I just skip cruiser and battlecruiser and go straight to battleships in order to be PVE viable? I will still end up training BS after BC, if BCs aren't up to par, why not simply skip them altogether?

Is there any situation where I would prefer to use BC rather than BS? Where does having BC skills lead me in the future?

I also have a buddy who is aiming to train into Onerios logistics ship, who'd be happy to run with me into missions and any sites or WHs that I might find. Would an armor tanking Hurricane with a remote repper be viable for LV4s? Would it be viable for more difficult content in WHs? Or would it be better for me to grab a BS to run with him on PVE content?

Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2009.05.22 05:54:00 - [2]
 

I think you're rather getting ahead of yourself.

1.7m is way too low, can't give you a figure as I'm doing a lot of Angel stuff in Amarr ships which means I need to be over skilled and I have a fair amount of skills outside combat

Ideally you want all your support skills / gunnery skills at 3 - 4, also Drones and Scout Drones at 5 with the support skills well trained would make it a lot more feasible.

Nifter Fostro
Posted - 2009.05.22 06:01:00 - [3]
 

I don't expect to get into LV4 type PVE events any time soon, I am simply asking for advice on which direction to head. I want to fly Minmatar ships, and simply want to know whether my next couple of months wont be better used training something else.

Since I'll eventually have to train Battleships anyway, why not just jump into one sooner rather than later?

Anyway, that's a minor question compared to the one I want to ask about whether an armor tanking Hurricane even stands a chance in there in the future. How would having someone remote repping help the situation? Would it still gimp us?

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.22 06:13:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Von Kapiche on 22/05/2009 06:17:29
Can't say for plexes, but an armour tanked cane isn't going to work in L4s ( unless your logistics is keeping you repped, then you might as well be flying anything with a buffer ). If you want a purely Minmatar solo pve boat, get a Maelstrom, but if your friend is getting an Onerios I'd look at crosstraining to the Dominix which is capable of just about anything. If you must stay Minmatar then look at the Typhoon, but it's skill requirements are *huge*.

Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2009.05.22 13:34:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Von Kapiche
Edited by: Von Kapiche on 22/05/2009 06:17:29
Can't say for plexes, but an armour tanked cane isn't going to work in L4s ( unless your logistics is keeping you repped, then you might as well be flying anything with a buffer ). If you want a purely Minmatar solo pve boat, get a Maelstrom, but if your friend is getting an Onerios I'd look at crosstraining to the Dominix which is capable of just about anything. If you must stay Minmatar then look at the Typhoon, but it's skill requirements are *huge*.


I'm calling bull**** right here. You can do a lot of lvl4's with an armor tanked Hurricane with AC's in about 20-35mins. Some only using a MARII and three T2 hardeners. The more higher dps orientated ones are obviously not going to be doable. A BS/Nighthawk/Sleipnir would probably be more efficient isk/time wise, but it is possible. Speed can negate a lot of the damage along with smaller sig and transversal. However, at low skill points I would not reccomend it.

Alt Tabbed
Posted - 2009.05.22 14:35:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Cartheron Crust
Originally by: Von Kapiche
Edited by: Von Kapiche on 22/05/2009 06:17:29
Can't say for plexes, but an armour tanked cane isn't going to work in L4s ( unless your logistics is keeping you repped, then you might as well be flying anything with a buffer ). If you want a purely Minmatar solo pve boat, get a Maelstrom, but if your friend is getting an Onerios I'd look at crosstraining to the Dominix which is capable of just about anything. If you must stay Minmatar then look at the Typhoon, but it's skill requirements are *huge*.


I'm calling bull**** right here. You can do a lot of lvl4's with an armor tanked Hurricane with AC's in about 20-35mins. Some only using a MARII and three T2 hardeners. The more higher dps orientated ones are obviously not going to be doable. A BS/Nighthawk/Sleipnir would probably be more efficient isk/time wise, but it is possible. Speed can negate a lot of the damage along with smaller sig and transversal. However, at low skill points I would not reccomend it.




He should be fine as long as he pulls the following all the time.

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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
Posted - 2009.05.22 15:26:00 - [7]
 

L4 missions are consistently doable in a BC, as long as that BC is a Drake. Yes, you'll be able to run some L4's in a Hurricane, and it would certainly be a fun challenge, so don't throw out the idea just because we say it can't be done.

I think you'll find that an L4 Hurricane requires a LOT of SP and a fair amount of expensive faction/plex mods - not that there's anything wrong with that, just be prepared to make some ISK investment. I'm also guessing you'll find that with all those mods used for shielding/armor/AB you won't have much room left for damage mods, so you'll be limited to putting out 200-300 DPS, which is acceptable for L4s but makes them take a LONG time to complete.

Min ships just aren't as good, in general, for missions as Caldari ships are. They're meant to be glass cannons, which is better suited for PvP than for PvE (you can get away more with a buffer tank and lots of DPS in PvP than you can with a mediocre sustained tank and low DPS in missions).

Nifter Fostro
Posted - 2009.05.22 17:31:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Nifter Fostro on 22/05/2009 17:40:37
Thanks for all the input guys, I have a much better idea of where I should be headed now.

I am probably going to stick with Minmatar for now. I don't want to be a dedicated mission runner, and I really don't want to cross train, given that I already have months worth of skills in the queue simply make these rusted buckets fly straight.

I might switch to a different race's ship once I have a good foundation in everything. Amarr's ships are the only ones that look nice to me, armor tanking and gunnery skills should make the transition easier if I decide to switch.

EDIT: Just noticed I've been posting on my alt. It's me the OP.

Casod Sutherland
Posted - 2009.05.22 17:50:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Casod Sutherland on 22/05/2009 18:13:02
I do level 4 missions in an autocannon Hurricane. I have 3.5 M SPs now, but I first started when I had around 2 M. It's really not that difficult; the only problem I am facing is that the missions take a long time to finish (usually over 2 hours if you include looting and salvaging). If you fitting a strong tank, your DPS will be on the low side, and dispatching something like a Mordus Mammoth will take time.

Anyway, some advice:

1. Passive shield tank! If you don't need to fit a tackle (i.e. you are missioning), a Hurricane will tank more DPS with passive shield than with active armor (unless you can guarantee that the NPCs will only do one type of damage - which is usually not the case).
2. Rigs are your friends. An unrigged BC won't have enough tank for any of the interesting level 4's.
3. Fit a DCU. You might think it's a waste of a low slot, but without it, when your shield tank fails, your armor and structure will simply evaporate.
4. Most importantly - read Mission Reports. Plan your actions and targets ahead of time. Knowing how to manage aggro and who to kill in what order makes the difference between easily breezing through a mission and needing to warp out for repairs every minute.

Koryvarn
Amarr
Posted - 2009.05.22 18:10:00 - [10]
 

It's possible to do most lvl 4's in any of the tier 2 BC's. Drake, Myrm, Harbinger, Cane. You could probably do it in a Prophecy or Ferox too.

What you need to decide, is if it's worth it. If you can run and salvage 5 lvl 3's in the time it takes you to run one lvl 4, is that really worth it?



I'm going to recommend you cross train Caldari and go for the Raven. The reason? You need almost no skills to fly a Raven.
Caldari Battleship 3. Cruise missiles 3. Support missile skills at 3. Shield skills at 3. Four medium drones. You can get there in 2-3 weeks.

The Raven is very forgiving of low skillpoints, unlike most other ships. I have 8 million SP in gunnery, focused totally on maxing laser damage. I have Amarr BS 5. I can use all T2 armor tanking modules. Basically, I'm maxed out for Amarr laserboats.

Yet my Raven outperforms my Abaddon in 80% of missions. I have Caldari BS 3 and all missile skills at 4. I can't even use tech 2 shield modules apart from hardeners.

If I was to invest some more SP in my Raven skills, then that 80% figure would probably be closer to 90%.

Once your Raven can run lvl 4's comfortably, then it's a case of training whatever you want while rolling in the cash you're bringing in.

Once you're done with the basic Raven skills, you can look at moving across to a Minnie battleship, as you now have shield tanking and missile skills. My guess is that you'll prefer the Raven still though.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.05.22 18:19:00 - [11]
 

You picked the race that ATM is "gimped" expecially at PvE.
If you really want to stick with Minnie ships you might entertrain the idea of getting a Maelstrom. But as the above poster said, other races are easy mode, an idiot in a raven will out-do you with triple the SP.

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.22 20:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Cartheron Crust
I'm calling bull**** right here. You can do a lot of lvl4's with an armor tanked Hurricane with AC's in about 20-35mins. Some only using a MARII and three T2 hardeners. The more higher dps orientated ones are obviously not going to be doable. A BS/Nighthawk/Sleipnir would probably be more efficient isk/time wise, but it is possible. Speed can negate a lot of the damage along with smaller sig and transversal. However, at low skill points I would not reccomend it.


I didn't say you can't do it ( I've done some in a single MAR fleet stabber, along with various passive shield BCs ), I'm saying it's not going to work very well. I have no idea how much an Onieros can rep one ship for any length of time, but smallish sig of an armour tanked BC + logistics rep sounds like an OK tank... but where's your dps going to come from? the huge amount of SP you need to get that BC working that well could easily have made a BS work better.

Kassa Daito
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.22 20:06:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Kassa Daito on 22/05/2009 20:11:47
Originally by: Koryvarn
I'm going to recommend you cross train Caldari and go for the Raven. The reason? You need almost no skills to fly a Raven.
Caldari Battleship 3. Cruise missiles 3. Support missile skills at 3. Shield skills at 3. Four medium drones. You can get there in 2-3 weeks.

The Raven is very forgiving of low skillpoints, unlike most other ships. I have 8 million SP in gunnery, focused totally on maxing laser damage.


I'd recommend getting the shield skills you need for a T2 tank up but TBH, you can live without them if you're careful and don't mind running away from the gate until you start to pop a few of the BSes.

Originally by: Koryvarn
I have Amarr BS 5. I can use all T2 armor tanking modules. Basically, I'm maxed out for Amarr laserboats. Yet my Raven outperforms my Abaddon in 80% of missions. I have Caldari BS 3 and all missile skills at 4. I can't even use tech 2 shield modules apart from hardeners.

If I was to invest some more SP in my Raven skills, then that 80% figure would probably be closer to 90%.


Are you flying Amarr against Angels or Guristas? My pulse Navy Apoc with 6 mil SP, T1 guns, and no faction mods makes CNR pilots cry when I pop a frigate every 5.5 seconds and then do about 1.5-2x their DPS when Serpentis or Sansha BSes start to get under 40KM and match their DPS out to 60KM. I can even match most Ravens' DPS vs Angels once they start orbiting.

I do have all gunnery skills up to large energy turrets and their support skills at 4 (except the specializations) tho, Amarr BS up to 4, and most tank skills up to 4 or 5 (most of the +2%/lvl resist skills are still at 3).

Casod Sutherland
Posted - 2009.05.22 20:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Von Kapiche
Originally by: Cartheron Crust
I'm calling bull**** right here. You can do a lot of lvl4's with an armor tanked Hurricane with AC's in about 20-35mins. Some only using a MARII and three T2 hardeners. The more higher dps orientated ones are obviously not going to be doable. A BS/Nighthawk/Sleipnir would probably be more efficient isk/time wise, but it is possible. Speed can negate a lot of the damage along with smaller sig and transversal. However, at low skill points I would not reccomend it.


I didn't say you can't do it ( I've done some in a single MAR fleet stabber, along with various passive shield BCs ), I'm saying it's not going to work very well. I have no idea how much an Onieros can rep one ship for any length of time, but smallish sig of an armour tanked BC + logistics rep sounds like an OK tank... but where's your dps going to come from? the huge amount of SP you need to get that BC working that well could easily have made a BS work better.


DPS is of course embarrassingly low, but sufficient to finish L4 missions even with low SP.

Given:
6 named 220mm ACs, 2 named heavy missiles, a Gyrostabilizer II, random T1 drones
Gunnery V, Medium Projectile Turret IV, Battlecruisers III (I think), plus some Rapid Firing and Surgical Strike

I could kill any mission NPC battleship (although some of them - Mordus Mammoth in particular - take more than one clip).

Kassa Daito
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.22 21:28:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Kassa Daito on 22/05/2009 21:28:25
Originally by: Casod Sutherland
(although some of them - Mordus Mammoth in particular - take more than one clip).


I hate Mammoths (shudders)... they made my life miserable as a T1 Pulse Abaddon pilot back when I was geting a jumpclone out in Rens with my corp. Killing a BS @ 55 or 60km with Lasers firing radio ammo... it's impossible.

Koryvarn
Amarr
Posted - 2009.05.22 22:27:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Koryvarn on 22/05/2009 22:29:42
Kaasa, I fly for an Amarr agent, though missions tend to be rather random. I'd say 30% blood / sanhsa, 20% angels, rest are drones, mercs or Guristas.

For most Sansha and blood missions, the dps on my Abaddon is far superior. These are the 20% I'm talking about. For anything else, where starting range is 70+km, the Raven just seems quicker. I've timed it, and the lesser dps of the Raven is made up by being able to hit stuff at 90km for full damage. There's a close range Sansha mission, The Assault, which I can do using Amarr navy Multifrequency crystals. In takes 20 minutes. In my Raven, it takes an hour.

For ease of use though, the Raven is better. It took over 10 million SP for my Abaddon to be even remotely competive with the 1 million SP I'd sunk into missiles and Caldari related skills.

My alt now runs missions in my Raven, she's a Caldari babe through and through. If I was to time 5 average missions, she'd probably finish before my main in my Abaddon.

Atwa Awta
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2009.05.22 23:58:00 - [17]
 

When I decided to start running missions I immediately chose to crosstrain for the Drake from a pure Minmatar speced character simply because the range and tank outshine the Hurricane for missioning imo. It only took about 4 days to get into one and, as a Minmatar pilot, I already had some shield and missile skills trained (which have now been improved to maximise dps and tankage). I refuse to train for a BS Very Happy

As for where training for BC leaders you in the future, look up Command Ships; not only is the Sleipnir (Minmatar) a sexy PvP ship, but the Nighthawk (Caldari is a damned good PvE ship).

Von Kapiche
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.23 05:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Casod Sutherland

DPS is of course embarrassingly low, but sufficient to finish L4 missions even with low SP.

Given:
6 named 220mm ACs, 2 named heavy missiles, a Gyrostabilizer II, random T1 drones
Gunnery V, Medium Projectile Turret IV, Battlecruisers III (I think), plus some Rapid Firing and Surgical Strike

I could kill any mission NPC battleship (although some of them - Mordus Mammoth in particular - take more than one clip).


Ugh that Mammoth... I ran a Myrm with a full passive tank & 5 artys while I was training for a Domi, could tank pretty much anything but killing stuff was horrible... and it couldn't break that guys tank without the guns, and ofc it orbits way out of the way. Chasing it down with no AB... I think I ended up using heavy web drones.

Very effective in cruiser/BC heavy missions, but something BS heavy like Assault took far longer than it really ought to, and after a few times when you just want to get it done, it's horrible.

Lord Zekk
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.05.23 09:18:00 - [19]
 

There is some good advice in this thread, however there are a couple of things you should consider which will affect how you go about this.

Why do you want to jump into lvl 4 missions?

a) Do you do them coz you find them entertaining?

If so take your time and move up the levels. Work your way up through level 2 and 3 missions. Develop your skills along the way. Level 3 missions, while not as profitable will make a younger player plenty of isk. You're not gonna be losing t2 fit battleships in PVP any time soon.

b) To make isk to PVP.

If this is your motive there are a few more things you should consider. Would something like manufacturing or trading be more to your liking. Setting up a basic trade alt, or trading through your main requires about 1 mil SP and some of that has to do with ship skills which will be useful to regardless.

If you're keen on doing level 4 missions in a BC you should probably think about finding someone to help you out. 2 BCs doing a level 4 should be very doable even if both of are lower skilled players. I have a corp mate who has good skills and solos LVL 4 missions in his rigged drake. That might be a bit much for you right now.

Richard Koslinsky
Posted - 2009.05.23 10:51:00 - [20]
 

lvl's 4 in a BC is imo only doable if you have great skills already. The best ships for lvl4 is a BS and will cost you to fly propper about 3 months skilling.

demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.05.23 15:21:00 - [21]
 

ive done lvl 4s in all sorts of ships and ive found that commands best suit my play style

saying that you are lower on the sp you may want to stick to lvl 3s for a while till you can fly a nice hac or a bs well

Boosterjunkie
Posted - 2009.05.24 17:18:00 - [22]
 

EVE is a game wich requires the skill patience at V.
everybody can fly a battleship in a few days but without the experience and proper skills a skilled pilot in a cruiser can kill you.

Murbella Cenva
Posted - 2009.05.25 05:37:00 - [23]
 

I'm having a challenging time soloing LV3 missions in my Hurricane at just over 2 million sp. I haven't come close to being destroyed yet but they're certainly a step up from LV2's. From my experience, you'd have to have more sp and better equipment to fit your ship with than the average new player has. I'm sure LV4's are possible in a BC but imo you're best to wait until you can fly a BS well or tag along with some friends to do the missions with. And remember, just because you have the skill to use a BS doesn't mean you should. You'd be much better off flying a BC with good skills than a BS with low skills.

Gordin Brott
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.05.25 22:56:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Gordin Brott on 25/05/2009 22:59:51
Edited by: Gordin Brott on 25/05/2009 22:58:01
I solo l4s in a Drake, and generally do them while constantly alt-tabbing to browse random wikipedia pages etc. Two of my corpmates also mission, one in a passive shield myrmidon, the other in a Hurricane. The Myrm pilot manages a tank which puts my Drake to shame, but finds it difficult or impossible to break some battleship tanks. The Hurricane pilot has the DPS, but those missions I've seen him do have all been somewhat seat-of-the-pants due to low tank.Working together, they can clear a l4 in minutes. The Hurricane pilot simply lets the Myrm tank everything, and maxes out on dps with an afterburner and autos. The Drake is really the only one of the battlecruisers which can manage both the tank and the dps to reliably complete level 4s without difficulty, and even then, Scourge Furies are your friend.
Level 3s on the other hand are an entirely different proposition. Any reasonably fitted and rigged battlecruiser not flown by a complete idiot can sail through them in no time at all, and as I have to keep on reminding my corpmates, you can still make a significant amount of isk on them, especially by salvaging. I've seen way too many people lose ships because they decided that they had to run level 4s in order to make a reasonable chunk of isk, thus trying to run them before they had the skills, fittings and experience to properly survive them.
As a side note, I do fly a Hurricane. It is a wonderfully useful ship for solo missioning. I use the following fit: Highs- 4 tractors, 4 salvagers; Mids- 1 10mn afterburner, 3 cap recharger IIs; Lows-6 Cargohold expanders.
And as Murbella said, one of the worst mistakes you can make is to get into a ship too soon, especially a battleship.

Leana Darkrider
Minmatar
Creatio -ex- nihilo
The Donkey Rollers
Posted - 2009.05.26 08:55:00 - [25]
 

I have a cane which I use for lvl4's

It's doable, but you need more then 1,7 mil sp.
You need a propper tank and be able to use t2 arties

Elric Redeye
Ex Coelis
Posted - 2009.05.26 16:43:00 - [26]
 

I have more skills than the OP, but only drones to T2, and I wouldn't consider running L4's solo in my passive-cane, which is a solid L3 mission runner. Maybe with Logistics support, never tried that.

AC cane? My 'cane is too f'ing slow for AC's (189 m/s no AB).

Zezzix
Posted - 2009.05.27 17:39:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Zezzix on 27/05/2009 17:40:18
edit: i just realized this is really long. sorry, but i love minmatar and hurricanes.

My 2 cents: I've hit the 4-5 mill sp range and fly teh Hurricane for lvl 3s currently (i wasted a lot of time training noncombat miniprofession stuff). I can't speak directly to lvl 4's, but can speak about training for minmatar ships (at least my experience of it).

1. i suspect far too many people try to fly ships before they're really ready. don't focus on having the BS or BC skill first, focus on having the skills necessary to fit the ship properly and/or kill stuff easily. get those basic and standard core certifications asap and for each new ship class you get to, train to 4 before moving to another. Also, look at the "recommended" tab on ship descriptions. This will list the skills/certs recommended for the ship. Even though you don't need them to undock the ship, I consider them to be required most of the time. And don't forget your drone skills. In the larger ship classes, they are required for anti-frigate fighting.

2. DON'T CROSSTRAIN. Not yet anyway. And Minmatar characters in particular should wait. As other posters mentioned, Minmatar ships require a wider variety of skills and more SP to fly well. Don't delay your development into the key offensive and defensive skill sets necessary to effectively fly Minmatar ships. If you just can't deal with the extra training and delay required to get into a Minmatar BS, consider creating a new Caldari pilot. However, once you do have a well-skilled Minmatar character, crosstraining will be a lot easier than for other races, because you'll be good to go with all types of tanks, drone skills, missile skills, excellent turret skills (applies to all turret weapons), and you'll be skilled for a variety of different tactics and fleet roles.

3. Yes, you can solo lvl 4s in a Hurricane (assuming you are properly trained and equipped). Active shield tank? Try passive on the 'Cane. Here's a link to a guy named zlicknarch who solos lvl 4 with a passive 'cane. Be sure to check out his other loadouts, like the artillery version. Or try something else entirely; the Cane is very versatile. I just recently started running lvl 3's with a version of the passive cane and actually ended up stripping off some of the shield power relays because my tank was overpowered. Probably not the case for lvl 4s, but zlicknarch's recommendations have been golden so far. I haven't done PvP yet, so no recommendations there. The second link has some info on that though.

4. Again, you really should get those certifications done before moving up in Minmatar ships. I don't know about anyone else, but I found that while it took longer to properly train for a higher class ship, I could use that ship against much harder npcs without having to go to the next higher level ship. I did all lvl 2's in a destroyer. I started doing lvl 3's in a destroyer but found that it just took too long, and sometimes you have to warp out to safety. I switched to a cruiser and did lvl 3s easily. I only started on the 'Cane in preparation for lvl 4s, which should begin in a week or two when I'm finished with the last of the standard core certifications (and can use T2 hardeners). And it eats up the lvl 3s. Sometimes I just park it and let the npcs come into range. I don't think I've lost more than 25% shields in a lvl 3 since I started running the cane.

Elric Redeye
Ex Coelis
Posted - 2009.05.27 21:18:00 - [28]
 

Thanks for the battleclinic link! Three purger rigs AND four SPR's? That's overkill tank, IMO. I run one purger rig and three SPR's (not T2's either) just fine in L3's. Leaves room for more gank, like a BCS for the launchers and two Gyros for my T1 guns.

In my first 'cane I ran triple purger rigs and the increased signature radius was a noticeable handicap. There are a couple of missile-spam missions that got too hard. Found a better balance with one purger and two resistance rigs.

I use two mission-specific hardeners and two extenders in the mids. I tried a Invuln and three extenders as shown (all T1) in your link. Didn't work as well for me. I have to warp out if I screw up the triggers in Blockade, for example, but otherwise I never get below 40-something % shields.

But hey, the versatility and choices are part of what makes the 'cane a fun ship.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2009.05.28 06:26:00 - [29]
 

Shield + Speed tank in the mids, fit a target painter, T2 drones, use the lows for one overdrive injector and a bunch of DPS mods (gyrostabilizers, tracking enhancers), best projectile weapons you can get your hands on.

Learn to keep that ship moving, pick your targets carefully, and you'll be fine. After the tackler frigates, go for the smallest battleship (lowest bounty, usually). If you can knock one battleship out before you have to warp out, you'll be fine. You can usually take the tackler frigates out with your drones while you shoot the battleship with your artillery or autocannons.

Use the hurricane as your mission-running ship until your skills outgrow it.

For that setup, your friend could fly a Scimitar to remote shield rep you and provide remote tracking links too. Then you just need to learn how to manage aggro.

Have fun, and fly reckless :)


 

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