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Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:06:00 - [1]
 


Thea Arsoniztik
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:19:00 - [2]
 

Absolution ftw.

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:25:00 - [3]
 

lol @ ImageBam

I clicked on one of those pics and got a warning about the image being "Adult Content", and then it even opened a popup for some adult site.

Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:28:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Durzel
lol @ ImageBam

I clicked on one of those pics and got a warning about the image being "Adult Content", and then it even opened a popup for some adult site.


yeah, sorry for that, didnt know..

its ok now:D

Butzewutze
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:31:00 - [5]
 

1. lol @ all setups > no neutralizer > frig will tackle you until his mates arrive = dead commandship.
2. lol @ no ganglink > ship is not getting used for its intended role.
3. lol @ cost. Buy armageddon > cheaper > more pew pew.

Nova Satar
Sileo In Pacis
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:31:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Nova Satar on 18/05/2009 16:33:10
Sleipnir....

if not go with a Myrm......

if not go with a Harb....

if not go with the abso.

EDIT: tbh both ur CS setups are pretty strong. but for the isk, i dont think Command ships are worth it.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.18 16:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Butzewutze
1. lol @ all setups > no neutralizer > frig will tackle you until his mates arrive = dead commandship.
2. lol @ no ganglink > ship is not getting used for its intended role.
3. lol @ cost. Buy armageddon > cheaper > more pew pew.



1. True, and the absolution setup can quite easily fit a small neut (yes med is better, but small will usually do).
2. For solo pvp there is not really a need to fit ganglinks. If you really want ganglinks you should just go for the fleet command ships (yes i know the damnation is one, you shouldnt solo in it also).
3. Some people have the isk, if you always just go for best ship isk wise, everyone would be flying in velators.

Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.05.18 17:10:00 - [8]
 

Dual rep Abso kind of risks turning into comedy killmail. Has its uses ofcourse, but you have to be VERY careful, otherwise you'd end up with something like T1 cruiser/BC soloing it(if your friends won't manage to come in time to save you). Consider using plate setup for solo(yeah, no injector, but frankly.. you'd die anyway to curse/pilgrim or properly fit BS, so... nothing changes in that department).

Astarte's kinda.. meh. Has pathetic range, which coupled with it being quite a slowass ship makes it very vulnerable to kiting.

Technically all field CS have somewhat limited solo capabilities, they're for most part quite nice ships, but don't really work in practise :P

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.05.18 17:13:00 - [9]
 

Solo, probably astarte just because the abso doesn't have a web.

And that said, pretty ballsy to solo a commandship.

Neacail
Posted - 2009.05.18 17:21:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Butzewutze
1. lol @ all setups > no neutralizer > frig will tackle you until his mates arrive = dead commandship.
2. lol @ no ganglink > ship is not getting used for its intended role.
3. lol @ cost. Buy armageddon > cheaper > more pew pew.



1. True, and the absolution setup can quite easily fit a small neut (yes med is better, but small will usually do).
2. For solo pvp there is not really a need to fit ganglinks. If you really want ganglinks you should just go for the fleet command ships (yes i know the damnation is one, you shouldnt solo in it also).
3. Some people have the isk, if you always just go for best ship isk wise, everyone would be flying in velators.

1. Agreed, but...
2. Some of the gang links are pretty nice, even for solo. Better tanking is great. So is higher tackle range or speed. All you need is a fleeted throwaway alt which you can also use as a forward scout (I use one in a cov ops myself, which also acts as a warp in point).
3. Agreed. I always pimp my CS. If going cheap, I prefer a T2 fit BC.

I can't look at the fittings due to a problem with my office's connection, but I can tell you that the best choice out of those is, by far, the Absolution. NEVER solo in a Damnation. Astarte is nice but due to the range, far too many things will be able to keep you tackled while their friends come for the CS killmail.

In my opinion, Sleipnir is better than them all for this purpose. But to be honest, that's only because of the speed (absolution is really slow). If being faster/dictating range is not a requirement, I would choose an Absolution over it anytime.

The only problem I see with soloing in command ships, is that.. Well, they're expensive, easy to catch, easy to run from and hard to fight in 1v1. Most of your fights will involve unfavourable odds.

Fuazzole
Posted - 2009.05.18 21:03:00 - [11]
 

Eos

Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2009.05.18 21:06:00 - [12]
 

Claymore

Lindsay Logan
Posted - 2009.05.18 21:13:00 - [13]
 

With that damnnation fail fit, not the dnamntion at any rate :P

The abso fit is somewhat decent, use that one. Ditch the Assault launcher for a NOS.

Kita Radeon
Gallente
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2009.05.19 00:34:00 - [14]
 

Clayos

abrasive soap
Operational Detachment-Alpha
Posted - 2009.05.19 01:16:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: abrasive soap on 19/05/2009 01:17:52
none of the above

edit: if it has to be a commandship a sleipnir would be my choice because it gets ridiculous when you start pimping it or even just bring a basilisk/scimitar

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.19 01:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Gneeznow
Claymore


Any particular reason?

Or are you trolling?

Kita Radeon
Gallente
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2009.05.19 01:46:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: abrasive soap
Edited by: abrasive soap on 19/05/2009 01:17:52
none of the above

edit: if it has to be a commandship a sleipnir would be my choice because it gets ridiculous when you start pimping it or even just bring a basilisk/scimitar


I'd agree that a CS is a poor solomobile, but if I had to I would take my Astarte over my sleipnir for solo, since you have the mids for tackle gear. If you didnt have to worry about that sleipnir all the way for the range on ACs.

Letifer Deus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.05.19 02:53:00 - [18]
 

buffer tank blaster/ham damnation with slaves, duh. YARRRR!!

abrasive soap
Operational Detachment-Alpha
Posted - 2009.05.19 04:55:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kita Radeon
Originally by: abrasive soap
Edited by: abrasive soap on 19/05/2009 01:17:52
none of the above

edit: if it has to be a commandship a sleipnir would be my choice because it gets ridiculous when you start pimping it or even just bring a basilisk/scimitar


I'd agree that a CS is a poor solomobile, but if I had to I would take my Astarte over my sleipnir for solo, since you have the mids for tackle gear. If you didnt have to worry about that sleipnir all the way for the range on ACs.


astarte is slow and i've kited them in harbingers without much of a problem

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2009.05.19 09:51:00 - [20]
 

Plated repless gank absolution is a very scary ship, still I'd never take it for soloing since it's extremely vulnerable to neutralizing. Anything to do with reps on an abso means cap booster means no web or no mwd, means no-no. Also, it's still vulnerable to neutralizing, only in this case it's tank will fail together with it's damage in case it runs dry.

Astarte actually looks quite solid on paper. Never tried it out but I imagine with 1 rep and a plate it should work okish. But yes, low range, kiting, stuff. Then again, it gets falloff bonus and should get ok hits throughout the web range and with some clever maneuvering and overloading you should be able to web most ships especially taking into account most people pretty much just lay down and die. Following certain "modern" trends among us around here, I efted a shield extended 4-mag stab neutron astarte too. Stupid thing is - it looks quite good. Laughing

Damnation doesn't work solo. It's top dps is low enough for just about any ship to get help and then you die a rather long and stupid death. Best way of staying alive while alone is doing funny amounts of damage, there is no such thing as enough dps. Smile

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.05.19 09:58:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Nova Satar
Edited by: Nova Satar on 18/05/2009 16:33:10
Sleipnir....

if not go with a Myrm......

if not go with a Harb....

if not go with the abso.


I'd move the Myrmi down to your Abso spot and throw in a HAM Drake as second. And where's the Hurricane? Razz

Seriously tho, CS + solo = I wouldn't consider any other ship than Sleipnir.

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2009.05.19 12:07:00 - [22]
 

Depends on where you wanna fly actually. It may turn out you're missing NH.

I'm very sorry to say this, but most people here are just clueless.

Neacail
Posted - 2009.05.19 12:27:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Neacail on 19/05/2009 12:29:09
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Depends on where you wanna fly actually. It may turn out you're missing NH.

I'm very sorry to say this, but most people here are just clueless.

Drake > NH for solo. NH only works for the same reason as to why the Moa and Ferox do. People think you're an easy kill and often give you a 'fair' fight.

Other than that, all other field command ships are far better than the nighthawk, mainly due to its fitting issues.

And I couldn't have put it any better. Most people here, like you, are just clueless.

Traderboz
SlaveMart
Posted - 2009.05.19 12:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Depends on where you wanna fly actually. It may turn out you're missing NH.

I'm very sorry to say this, but most people here are just clueless.


Solo command ships rarely work out well. A few weeks ago we caught a Sleip with a couple rifters and after killing his drones, held him in place until backup could arrive (10 minutes or so). Generally, Sleip is the best choice of the bunch for solo work, and even that is very vulnerable solo.

But hey, it's your ISK. If you want to fly a solo Nighthawk or any CS, I'd request you do it in Pure Blind. We're clueless, I promise, and I'm sure you'll do very well in your solo CS. Faction fitting is also encouraged.

Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.05.19 14:38:00 - [25]
 

o7

i see alot of eve players go to chinesse restaurant and they order BigMac..

Guys, i have three choices: abs, damnation, astarte. I came up with this fittings. I'm gonna be the one initiating attack, so i have choice to engage or not. I asked if somebody has tweaks to my setups.

All i got was: LOL, FAILIT, USE CLAY, DONT USE CS, I SUCK DONKEY BALLS,..

Must i really reopen the thread with same question again??

So yeah, all CSs are problematic against one heavy neut or some close, fast, small tackler. I could solve this with some faction scrambler, 13km range is good to turn off mwd and lets say gallente web with super range..

yeah, that missile launcher is useless, i'll refit it for nos or something..

Anything else except stupid spam?

Neacail
Posted - 2009.05.19 14:46:00 - [26]
 

Well I'll only comment on the Absolution, but anyway:

Take off one aux nano rig and put a nanobot. It uses more cap but you'll be thankful of the faster cycle. The biggest problem with active armor tank is the damage that comes between cycles. Nanobot rigs help with that.

Use a neut or whatever in the last high slot. Even a small one might help you by turning off the scrambler of a frigate, for instance.

And you might as well use a faction disruptor. They aren't that expensive and the extra range will come in handy, especially when considering how slow you are and how far scorch hits.

Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.05.19 14:49:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Neacail
Well I'll only comment on the Absolution, but anyway..


tnx for a good sugestion. Will refit and look at stats..

Rivur'Tam
Posted - 2009.05.19 15:01:00 - [28]
 

i would leave out teh damnation its useded for giving gang bouns with links

your absol and astarte setups are close to mine here is my astarte setup below

setup

let me know what u guys think i tend to drop damage mods for extra eanm and pimp my setups a bit more.

I use both asarte and absol quite often the asarte dose more damage but absol tanks better and is more cap stable ie u use less booster and have more time inbetween injections.

Neacail
Posted - 2009.05.19 15:08:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Rivur'Tam
setup

That one is pretty good, but I would make the same suggestion as I did above. Nanobot rig instead of one aux nano pump.

I wish my sleipnir could actually get more than a minute of cap, but I guess that's the price you pay for 1500+ reinforced defence. Crying or Very sad

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2009.05.19 15:36:00 - [30]
 

It's all quite awful tbh. Dual rep setups are only truly viable on battleships for very small scale fights. Medium sized ships have little hope of tanking even 1 proper medium ship shooting them, let alone 2 or 3 - which is still far from being blobbed. Some people consider pinnacle of pvp to be when they tank 300ish dps of sentries while shooting helpless stuff that occasionally shoots back with some pitiful dmg of it's own. Thing is, they know nothing. Razz

So to answer your original question: Damnation - hell no. Astarte maybe. Abso... if you feel like it. But none of those fitted the way it's been suggested. If you're solo the other guy won't be, and your 2 reps wont tank him and his buddy unless they suck monkey balls in which case it matters little what you got fitted in the first place. If you're going to evade any situation that might prove challenging then it's also quite pointless to make a science out of fits and ships to be used.

To make an example, your proposed astarte tanks about 620 dps without overload, with 2 faction reps, 2 faction eanms and about 40 mil in rigs. A good hurricane will do well over 700, sometimes near to 900 without overload. Harbinger will do somewhat less. Drake can do about 650. See where this is heading? Now imagine youre facing just 2 such ships.

Plate yourself.


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