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Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2009.05.14 21:38:00 - [1]
 

I think CCP Nozh should be relieved from duties connected with game balancing.

We've got enough of covert opses unable to get out from bubbles;
of plated megas and naglfars instawarping;
of devs testing nanoship via vagabond with T2 rigs and high-grade snakes;
of nerfing sole working force recon ship (falcon) because of his own incomplete nanonerf, instead of making other recons viable;
of nerfing ECM drones while another half of game balance is broken;
of his lack of communication and general ignorance of player posts and suggestions;
of his one-in-a-quarter appearance with his yet another 'genius' idea which breaks gameplay again in narcomanic and inunderstandable way.

I'm waiting in fear what will happen when CCP Nozh will get his eye on Amarr ships, for example.

I'm no against balance changes - I'm ready to adapt to any change. But I think that any change must have cause: there is no need to repair what is not broken. But he does it on regular basis.

I don't say that CCP Nozh's nerfs are completely wrong. Just that they are totally incomplete and one-sided.

I understand that each game change are approved by many people in CCP - but it is not player's job to determine who of them exactly made what mistake - so let it be one who proposed most of absurd changes.

Every one who agrees with this - please support.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.05.14 21:46:00 - [2]
 

We are not CCP's human resources.

Not supported.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2009.05.14 21:49:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Jeremey on 14/05/2009 21:49:26
Originally by: Drake Draconis
We are not CCP's human resources.

Yep, we're just people who pay them their salaries.

NanDe YaNen
The Funkalistic
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2009.05.14 21:52:00 - [4]
 

Nag got 150 extra CPU, focus on projectile bonuses, and an extra mid.

Not supported.

Zostera
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.05.14 22:14:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Jeremey
Edited by: Jeremey on 14/05/2009 21:49:26
Originally by: Drake Draconis
We are not CCP's human resources.

Yep, we're just people who pay them their salaries.


And do their QA, patch testing, give PR and customer relations advice.....

Even so it would be a bit harsh to sack him, maybe just make him stand in the corner for a while and think about what he's done with a pointy hat on... and post the pics in a dev blog.

Not supported


Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.14 22:16:00 - [6]
 

Quote:
We've got enough of covert opses unable to get out from bubbles;
of plated megas and naglfars instawarping;


Stated bugs

Quote:
of devs testing nanoship via vagabond with T2 rigs and high-grade snakes;


Those were given as examples in devblogs. You could still reach ludicrous speed™ with just flat t2.

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of nerfing sole working force recon ship (falcon) because of his own incomplete nanonerf, instead of making other recons viable;


Other recons -are- viable. The only recons that are underpowered are the gallente recons
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of nerfing ECM drones while another half of game balance is broken;


Irrelevant. Why should the existence of other balance issues stop them from fixing this?

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of his lack of communication and general ignorance of player posts and suggestions;


The general playerbase is ******ed and is unable to post constructively. Active posting in balance threads with the community would do more harm than good.


MniLL
Posted - 2009.05.14 22:22:00 - [7]
 

Not supported.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.05.14 22:29:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 14/05/2009 22:30:25
Originally by: Jeremey
Edited by: Jeremey on 14/05/2009 21:49:26
Originally by: Drake Draconis
We are not CCP's human resources.

Yep, we're just people who pay them their salaries.


Reality sucks.. don't it?

Look... its simple.... stop being stupid and a bunch of 3 year olds crying like someone kicked there castles down and be rational and constructive and you just might get heard.

OMGWTFILOSTMYCOVOPSOMGIQUITYOUSUX some how doesn't quite give the correct impression yah know?

Telling them to do it NOW.... DEMANDING them to do it NOW.... telling them to do it NOW OR ELSE.

Is also a waste of time.

Incantare
Posted - 2009.05.14 22:31:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Incantare on 14/05/2009 22:32:20
Originally by: CCP Nozh
Originally by: Ignition SemperFi
not sure how i missed that.

/facepalm.

thank you nozh. but since you are still looking at this, the explosion radius and velocity for a seiged dread is terrible. For an anti-capital ship, all they have to do is move and they take a huge dmg reduction. Reducing citadel torp users to only shooting pos's




Try other dreadnoughts, they don't hit at all when targets start moving

Except the drones on the Moros, which are ....


Original thread.

A couple of months later citadels vs. moving cap ships is a recognized issue and on the 'to fix' list.

Now I don't support getting rid of him but he could be doing a better job. More time spent playing the game he's supposed to balance would be a good start. That applies to the whole balance team really.

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.05.14 22:46:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 14/05/2009 22:48:14
Ok, the next person who posts "fire CCP Devs" needs to get a reality check. Lets check other games:

World of Warcraft: Absolutely no Dev-Players interaction
Star Wars Galaxies: No Dev-Players interaction
Everquest: No Dev-player interaction
All other MMOs: No dev-player interaction

EvE Online: CSM, Dev's that talk to their members, they acknowledge errors and fix them rather fast. (Black screen, cloak "nerf", loads of other errors)

And you biatch about that CCP never listens to its player base? Lets see what we've gotten:

Orca-class Command Ship.
Grouped turrets
Actual DevBlog on POS cheat (long I might add)
Fixed Naglfar
ECM Drones haven't been nerfed
Many many other things.

Shut, the, heck, up. CCP is doing the best job they can. Just because they don't change the game to your preferences doesn't mean they ignore the community as a whole. YOU are not God on Earth. YOU do NOT get to decide company policy. Your a dang customer and if you hate this game:

GET OUT OF HERE. You can pull your $$ in protest of this game. Otherwise, shut up and play the game.

--Isaac

P.S. Lock this stupid thread.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2009.05.14 22:56:00 - [11]
 

Ok, I agree that I was wrong on a large extent on this matter.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.05.14 23:13:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 14/05/2009 22:48:14
Ok, the next person who posts "fire CCP Devs" needs to get a reality check. Lets check other games:

World of Warcraft: Absolutely no Dev-Players interaction
Star Wars Galaxies: No Dev-Players interaction
Everquest: No Dev-player interaction
All other MMOs: No dev-player interaction

EvE Online: CSM, Dev's that talk to their members, they acknowledge errors and fix them rather fast. (Black screen, cloak "nerf", loads of other errors)

And you biatch about that CCP never listens to its player base? Lets see what we've gotten:

Orca-class Command Ship.
Grouped turrets
Actual DevBlog on POS cheat (long I might add)
Fixed Naglfar
ECM Drones haven't been nerfed
Many many other things.

Shut, the, heck, up. CCP is doing the best job they can. Just because they don't change the game to your preferences doesn't mean they ignore the community as a whole. YOU are not God on Earth. YOU do NOT get to decide company policy. Your a dang customer and if you hate this game:

GET OUT OF HERE. You can pull your $$ in protest of this game. Otherwise, shut up and play the game.

--Isaac

P.S. Lock this stupid thread.


Isaac is NOT an alt of me.

But you'd think he was?

Oh... uh... yeah... THIS!
X O D

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.05.14 23:16:00 - [13]
 

i think the process of balancing could be done better

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2009.05.14 23:46:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 14/05/2009 23:55:19
Agreed.

Nozh is behind the recent failchanges in attempt to cover up for his past failchanges, the speed changes, and he has a history of trolling customers on the forums. Not constructive. He should be working the floor buffer, I want a high mirror shine when I get my tour of CCP.

Keitoshi Yamada
Caldari
Sephray Industries
Serenitas Solutus
Posted - 2009.05.15 00:16:00 - [15]
 

Y'all need to stop whining about your cloak-mwd nerf.

It's really starting to get annoying...

It's just like back in the days of nanoships, y'all whining about how much it would ruin the viability of your ships yadda yadda yadda.

Not supported.

Deal with the inability to exploit like real men, and stop calling exploits 'tactics'.

Ral K'Daro
Posted - 2009.05.15 00:34:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Ral K''Daro on 15/05/2009 00:41:07
Nozh's repeated tactic of posting once in a thread, posting a quick reply on page 2, disappearing for a month, and then throwing his original changes in a patch and claiming customer interaction are why I support this.

The guy is just terrible with interaction. And his ideas are usually horrible.

And I'm under no false belief that he'll be fired due to a thread. But honestly, the very fact that a player made a thread about the incompetence of one of CCP's most visible employees warrants someone looking into the reasons why. You don't see such threads about the others.

and to clarify two points:

1. the reason the 3-second delay was added was presumably to prevent ships from mwd'ing back to gates, because its too easy at present for them to do that. Why is it too easy? Because after nozh's nano-nerf, webs were weakened severely. So we've gone 360 now.

2. Nozh gets no credit for the nag. That was chronitis's thing, and he does a much better job of balances / fixing than Nozh does. I didn't agree with the changes they ended up on, but at least its reasonable. It's certainly not nearly as bone-headed as today's patch.

Jeremey
Glittering Dust
Posted - 2009.05.15 17:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ral K'Daro
Nozh's repeated tactic of posting once in a thread, posting a quick reply on page 2, disappearing for a month, and then throwing his original changes in a patch and claiming customer interaction are why I support this.

The guy is just terrible with interaction. And his ideas are usually horrible.


This.

Tesseract d'Urberville
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
Posted - 2009.05.15 18:22:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Tesseract d''Urberville on 15/05/2009 18:22:43
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 14/05/2009 22:48:14
GET OUT OF HERE. You can pull your $$ in protest of this game. Otherwise, shut up and play the game.
Oh... uh... yeah... THIS!
X O D

Satan must be ice-skating, because Isaac and Drake are fuming and I agree with both of them wholeheartedly. What the crap kind of nonsense is this? Criticize the Devs if you want to, but come on.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.05.15 18:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tesseract d'Urberville
Edited by: Tesseract d''Urberville on 15/05/2009 18:22:43
Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 14/05/2009 22:48:14
GET OUT OF HERE. You can pull your $$ in protest of this game. Otherwise, shut up and play the game.
Oh... uh... yeah... THIS!
X O D

Satan must be ice-skating, because Isaac and Drake are fuming and I agree with both of them wholeheartedly. What the crap kind of nonsense is this? Criticize the Devs if you want to, but come on.


Now if I could just get efrim and herschel in here and then it would be colder the space!

Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2009.05.15 19:32:00 - [20]
 

Not supported because from what the OP wrote it shows that he has no clue what the process is when it comes to fixing/improving/adjusting software. And for the love of all that makes people happy let the friggen dust settle before you get your panties all wound up in your man parts.

Arengor
Redarmy Special Forces

Posted - 2009.05.16 06:30:00 - [21]
 

I dislike Nozh's style of work too. There is no need in "ECM drones fix" and similar farfetched problems.

Supported.

Terra Mikael
Horizon Dynamics
Posted - 2009.05.16 10:30:00 - [22]
 

lol

First I would like to say there are too many CCP fan boys here. Personally I could give a ****, but at least have some dignity and pretend to have a real reason for non support.

Second, You act like Nozh has some sort of executive power over development. From reading his posts, it sounds like he spends more times jumping through hoops, running back and forth consulting different members of separate projects.

Also keep in mind that eve has a general direction that won't change - eve is becoming a softer, friendlier universe to appeal to a wider audience.

Adapt or die. If anything, I view these changes as a fun meta game to find advantages over other players - be more opportunistic. They boost frigs, buy a frig and win. They boost recon, go **** in a recon. If you can't be flexible, you shouldn't be playing this game.

Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2009.05.16 12:16:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 16/05/2009 12:20:16
Originally by: Jeremey
Yep, we're just people who pay them their salaries.

That's quite a budget committment - I expected most people just to pay a subscription, which is way less.

One person's view who happens to be a customer does not magically invoke the right to dictate policy to a business.
Originally by: Terra Mikael
First I would like to say there are too many CCP fan boys here. Personally I could give a ****, but at least have some dignity and pretend to have a real reason for non support.

Right... so pointing out the obvious logical fallacy in the OP's statement - that somehow his minuscle contribution to CCP's earnings gives him the right to tell them how to run their business - is being a fanboy?

Some people really do have an overinflated sense of their own importance to the game.

Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.05.16 12:57:00 - [24]
 

Well I don't know.

The balancing team has been doing rather terrible , especially with the nano nerf, but seems to try and communicate more with the playerbase (the issues tread) and fixed a very big and old issue , the freaking vertical thingy ....

What they should do however is evaluate their changes and things they balanced in the past year , and then look if they really did what they hoped they would do.

For instance the nano-nerf didn't do what they intended to do , ccp intended to keep the whole nano-thing still viable , but well if you ask who is actually still succesfully nanoing , very litle people will answer it.

And I doubt putting someone else in charge of the balancing program will change things much ...

so not supported because the balancing team hasn't been doing too bad lately and I don't think a new face would make it better.

mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.05.16 13:45:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Holy Lowlander
Well I don't know.

The balancing team has been doing rather terrible , especially with the nano nerf, but seems to try and communicate more with the playerbase (the issues tread) and fixed a very big and old issue , the freaking vertical thingy ....

What they should do however is evaluate their changes and things they balanced in the past year , and then look if they really did what they hoped they would do.

For instance the nano-nerf didn't do what they intended to do , ccp intended to keep the whole nano-thing still viable , but well if you ask who is actually still succesfully nanoing , very litle people will answer it.

And I doubt putting someone else in charge of the balancing program will change things much ...

so not supported because the balancing team hasn't been doing too bad lately and I don't think a new face would make it better.


they are fixing a lot of things that dont need fixing lately... except the naglfar

Irongut
Sex Money Guns
Posted - 2009.05.16 14:02:00 - [26]
 

Deciding who works for CCP is not your job. How would you like it if Nozh phoned your boss and told him to fire you?

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.05.16 14:57:00 - [27]
 

All you naysayers.... YOUR FIRED.

GTFO and pack your bags.



Seriously... leave.

That's what you wanted isn't? Oh I'm sorry... you want him to go.... I thought you implied we had power to throw people out right?

oops!

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2009.05.16 15:20:00 - [28]
 

Honestly... I doubt nozh is directly at fault for any of those.

Nozh in my opinion does a good job. His team on the otherhand tends to cause bugs... but even then... that's still alright. There's another team completely meant to fix those bug.

QA team with help from the bug hunters. They are solely at fault for letting bugs get into the game. Even then it's within reason.

However if you have any experience with the bug reporting system. It's TERRIBLY HORRIBLE. Bug hunters will filter and essentially not pass on a bug basically ALL THE TIME.

I bug reported... gave logserver and such. Still got filtered. Now you have stickies in like all forums for the black screen issue.

The bug report system needs to be fixed.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2009.05.16 15:23:00 - [29]
 

all this is... is a lynchmob.

You morons just want someone to hang for your pathetic little whines and complaints.

Maybe if you took the time to think about how they do the work instead of going off of what YOU see and what THEY see you'd figure out that its not just one guy.

It's an entire company.

Thresh Avery
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2009.05.16 21:08:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Thresh Avery on 16/05/2009 21:11:07
Not supported.

And I personally think the Naglfar changes weren't very good. In my opinion, it was CCP's way of trying to:

1. Make the Nag a shield tanker, however i don't think it's really got much on the Phoenix. The extra mid slot doesn't improve the ship's ability to armour tank either, so it's still a terrible dread to tank.

2. Improve the Nag's bonuses so it would be a focused projectile weapon ship. The problem is, there's now two semi-useless launcher slots and there are plenty of existing minmatar dread pilots who have time tied up in a less meaningful citadel torpedo skill. If they were serious about fixing the Naglfar, they'd have done what they did, but perhaps give the ship 3x turret, 1x launcher, so it could outperform the other dreads with a "token citadel launcher" vs. being a good tanker like the rest.

On top of it all, CCP have broken the trend of all race ships sharing an equal amount of slots.

Revelation: 4 4 8 = 16
Moros: 4 5 7 = 16
Phoenix: 4 7 5 = 16
Naglfar: 5 6 6 = 17

Having said all this, i'm glad to see CCP are attempting to fix certain issues like the Naglfar, but i just think they're going about it the wrong way.

If they'd have left the slot layout and CPU/powergrid alone and just given the ship a greater bonus to both Cap Projectile Turret and Citadel Launcher RoF (perhaps 10%), or even changed one or the other to a damage bonus rather than RoF, then it would atleast be the best damage dealing dread around, despite its poor tank.

So yeah, good job on trying to address the issues, for which we're all thankful, but please stop "fixing" issues that either don't exist, therefore nerfing certain aspects of gameplay, which you've been accountable for since as long as i can remember. Smile


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