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Karazack
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2009.05.14 15:56:00 - [31]
 

Nah not fired but he/she should volunteer to work overtime to come up with a better solution then this insanity.

Sma Balveda
Posted - 2009.05.14 15:57:00 - [32]
 

Making gate bubble camps harder to avoid is hardly designed to encourage those of bearish tendencies (myself included) to go on trips to nul-sec. Makes it even less attractive. I thought we wanted more people to venture into 0.0?

5higsy
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.05.14 15:59:00 - [33]
 

Possibly the most rushed patch ive ever seen.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:07:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Nyphur on 14/05/2009 16:07:11

Any bugs and problems introduced with a patch aren't a cause to blame all the developers, they're a cause to ask for better QA. EVE's been lacking on the QA front for a while. QA should have caught these issues before launch, especially given the posting on the forum about it.

Downloading the patch now to see what all the fuss is about.

Mangold
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:09:00 - [35]
 

bye bye small gang pvp in 0.0.
hello blob online.

Fossil Wolf
omen.
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:11:00 - [36]
 


Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:14:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 14/05/2009 16:14:15
CCP'd better fix this, and turn it back as it was. Cause right now we're having a major problem on our hands.
Not to mention the bug (due to the same module change) that allows any other ship to insta warp, even capitals. Laughing

Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Celtic industries
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:18:00 - [38]
 

Avoiding non-consensual PVP was too easy, this will shift that balance, but I think a little too far.

Saji'us
Gallente
Pitch Black.
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:22:00 - [39]
 

Removed. Navigator

Gaius BaItar
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:22:00 - [40]
 

I'm sure this change is just a side effect.
They tried to shut down ECM as soon as the ship cloak, but instead they shut down everything (including MWD).
So this is because of falcon too. Sad

Smooth Kitty
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:26:00 - [41]
 

I can now lock and scram a viator 100% of the time in a ceptor before it can recloak. (10/10 tries)

nice balance change ccp.

Areah Mar'khet
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:26:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Fossil Wolf
HEY GUYS

hahhahahahhaahaha I think someone's vandalised this page i can't stop laughing ahhahaha

Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:28:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Aelius on 14/05/2009 16:36:40
Edited by: Aelius on 14/05/2009 16:28:18
I think CCP needs to diferenciate covert ops ships using a cover ops cloak and the remaining ships using a regular cloak.

Once i've read this thread i rushed for my buzzard to see if people were over reacting (as usual). In this case they are not.

As soon you jump in a system that has bubbles on the other side you are pretty much dead.
MWD wont save you, Warp wont save you (since you are inside a bubble) and trying to get yourself out of there "on impulse" wont save you because some inty will uncloak you before you can get outside. SO...Resistance is futile

If this was to fix the "Falcon Problem" i will give you a solution. As it was done before with MWD (there were only one type for all sizes of ships) you need to make ie: 1MN covert ops cloak, 10MN covert ops cloak and 100MN covert ops cloak.
In this way you can tweek the stats on each type and add some balance.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:29:00 - [44]
 

In the official patch thread on page two CCP Chrono has confirmed the Cloak changed will be Fixed/Rolled back.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:31:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
In the official patch thread on page two CCP Chrono has confirmed the Cloak changed will be Fixed/Rolled back.

Do you realise your signature says "First for your right to veto stupid design decisions"? "First" rather than "Fight" :p

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:32:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Blane Xero
In the official patch thread on page two CCP Chrono has confirmed the Cloak changed will be Fixed/Rolled back.

Do you realise your signature says "First for your right to veto stupid design decisions"? "First" rather than "Fight" :p
I give up! LaughingLaughingLaughing

Captain Vampire
Caldari
Kung Fu Vampire Ninja's
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:33:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: CCP Chronotis


Hi folks, firstly an apology from all of us for screwing up and letting this slip through the cracks despite many of you trying very hard to indicate the serious gameplay fallout in the threads you linked previously Crying or Very sad. This started out life as a minor defect where a code fix was made to stop the ECM jamming continuing to work after you had cloaked.

The intention was for only this to be fixed, however as many of you are now acutely aware, the fallout from that supposedly minor defect fix to a single issue is rather massive and game breaking for many. This was very much not an intended gameplay change from us.

The change that caused this to all happen is being reverted at the earliest possible opportunity with a hotfix (no ETA yet) but we will make this right as soon as possible.





Read the feedback thread way up.

/thread

Mirana Niranne
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc.
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:35:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Mirana Niranne on 14/05/2009 16:35:22
Originally by: Nyphur

Downloading the patch now to see what all the fuss is about.


The fuss is about CCP nerfing cloaking so that ECM on a target would shut down immediately if you cloaked up while jamming someone.

A side effect of this is that the age old practice of engaging a MWD and cloaking to gain enough speed to avoid a bubble camp also got nerfed, because it shuts down the MWD immediately.

When not in a bubble, a larger ship can use this change to prematurely kill off his MWD and gain warping speed in a couple seconds (think webbing a larger ship to let them reach speed faster)

Coupled with scan res changes, an interceptor can now lock up just about anything before it can cloak up after the jump cloak fails.

All in all, anyone who relies on stealth and cunning to slip through 0.0 gate camps is now royally F**ked.

Kyden
Gallente
PWNT-Inc.
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:35:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Kyden on 14/05/2009 16:39:51
Nothing to see here...

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:35:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Karazack
Nah not fired but he/she should volunteer to work overtime to come up with a better solution thAn this insanity.


Someone needs to take a long hard look at how changes are finalised.

You are MEANT to be able to go into enemy territory in a covo-ops ship, but it is pretty much impossible to get through a half decent gate camp now.

Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:37:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Captain Vampire
Read the feedback thread way up.

/thread

Chronotis is probably the best dev for keeping players informed. I always imagine CCP HQ being a mad house of people trying to fix everything when something goes wrong but it's nice to be kept informed.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:42:00 - [52]
 

Adapt or die. Those who are unable to deal with changes to EVE are, to be frank, unfit to play it. Love it or hate it, this is what EVE *IS*.

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:45:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/05/2009 16:46:14
... or get CCP to confirm that your playing style is AS INTENDED and not a trick/exploit. Razz

Originally by: Blane Xero
In the official patch thread on page two CCP Chrono has confirmed the Cloak changed will be Fixed/Rolled back.


\o/

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1071925&page=2#52

Cool

Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2009.05.14 16:50:00 - [54]
 

First of all, the mechanic is explained here.

Second of all, anyone who agrees with the OP has obviously never run a business, or for that matter probably had a real job with real responsibilities.

That is all.

UMEE
Perkone
Posted - 2009.05.14 17:07:00 - [55]
 

tbh all crybaby threads on this need to be locked. i couldnt care less about cloaking. never fitted one. if anything, im annoyed by nubs who fit one and deprive my gang of a juicy kill. ccp ftw imo.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.05.14 17:17:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: UMEE
tbh all crybaby threads on this need to be locked. i couldnt care less about cloaking. never fitted one. if anything, im annoyed by nubs who fit one and deprive my gang of a juicy kill. ccp ftw imo.


Because you really really deserved that kill didn't you.

Apoctasy
Lethal Injection.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2009.05.14 17:19:00 - [57]
 

CCP Chronotis said it was a mistake and will be rolled back:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1071925&page=2

Kuar Z'thain
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.05.14 17:29:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Adapt or die. Those who are unable to deal with changes to EVE are, to be frank, unfit to play it. Love it or hate it, this is what EVE *IS*.


Hey there Mr. Troll. o/

Tell us please how you plan on adapting to get a Recon or Covert through a large bubble camp had CCP not decided to reverse this ******ed fix.

Allen Ramses
Caldari
Zombicidal Mania
Posted - 2009.05.14 17:38:00 - [59]
 

It's official. Goons have infiltrated CCP. Based on the current progression, /Goon/tards will have achieved their goal of ruining Eve Online for everyone by October '09.

GG Goons.

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2009.05.14 17:42:00 - [60]
 

Have none of you tried this since the patch? I've just instawarped a BS with it Neutral

Actually working much better now than before imo


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