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Amitious Turkey
Gallente
TarNec
Posted - 2009.05.07 14:52:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Slave 2739FKZ
Confirming the game would be 10000% more fun & challenge if there were no alts, extra-accounts, GTC/ISK sellers, and all the ****try. But for that people would have to quit their stupid mentality and realize this is a game and the most important objective is to have fun. Otherwise we have the current situation where we are almost "forced" to use alts/extra accoutns to compete.

Also there are some stupid skill caps that favour this behaviour like limited manufaturing/research slots, etc.


5-6 years of playing for me. I have never felt the need to get a new account, and both my alts are still at 50k sp or so.
But you do have a point. People are too concerned with winning, when Eve is unwinnable. Fun ftw.

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:12:00 - [62]
 

i'm down to one account.
the other ones were properly skilled but in the end, one could say all those other ones were ragequitalts -.-

endaler
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:14:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: endaler on 07/05/2009 15:23:35
Edited by: endaler on 07/05/2009 15:22:11
The same thing counts for real life. I mean, what if I am holding 2 buckets of water, how am I going to hold the 3rd bucket?
answer is simple, you just get rid of the 2 buckets and get the 3rd. OR you get an extra pair of hands and grab the 3rd.


Examples

How do you manage your buy and sell orders you are off doing PvP in another region?
- I have a trade alt.(on the same account)

How do you fund your 0.0 PvP adventures?
- I have a mission alt in high-sec that funds my ships. (use your trade alt maybe?)

How do you manage to expand your budding trade and manufacturing Empire?
- I use a network of manufacturing and trade alts. (your own choice, you can just train for it on your main)

How do you move your capitals around?
- I use a cyno alt. (Or you just play the game as if it is a mmorpg? you let someone else do the cyno)

How do you know where the enemy fleet would be?
- I use a spy alt. (you just play the game as if it is a mmorpg and make someone else scout)

How do you avoid those gatecamps?
- I use a scouting alt. (you just play the game as if it is a mmorpg and make someone else scout)

Why do you rarely lose PvP fights?
- I use a Remote Rep/Falcon alt. (that's just lame, pvp involves loosing aswell)

How do you avoid damaging your reputation when doing scams?
- I use a scam alt (You don't need a scam alt, but you choose for it since you don't want to damage your rep.)

How do you infiltrate enemy organizations without ruining your characters rep?
- I have a spy alt. (You don't need a spy alt, but you choose for it since you don't want to damage your rep.)

How do you survive the boredom of defending an FW plex for 20 minutes with nothing to do?
- I have a mission alt that I play while waiting for the timer. (Don't do FW :P)

How do you manage your isk?
- I have a wallet alt. (Ehm whats hard about managing your isk on your main?)

Aren't you afraid of being tied down to that Mothership or Titan all the time?
- I use a Mothership/Titan alt (true this)

How do you avoid angering people while posting controversial stuff on the forums?
- I have a forum posting alt. (You don't need a forum alt, but you choose for it since you don't want to damage your rep.)

How do you avoid financial and corporate risks from untrustworthy players?
- I have accounting alts, holding corp alts, teller alts, etc. (You still don't need it, you can just hold it in your own wallet?)

How do you manage to move around stuff in high-sec during a war dec?
- I use an NPC corp hauler alt. (fly like if you are in 0.0)

How do you always know the prices in Jita so fast?
- I use a market alt. (on the same account)
etc.....


tl:dr You dont NEED an alt, it is just makes life easyer.

Camaria
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:24:00 - [64]
 

Yes, using alts is easier

Having friends doing these things instead are much more fun Very Happy

Psiri
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:26:00 - [65]
 

Personally I feel that it's a pretty big flaw in the game and that it would make for a better game if CCP attempted to make the game less alt-dependant. At least alt on multiple accounts. From a financial standpoint though I don't see why CCP would have any interest in changing this however.

I don't like the practice of cyno alts and whatnot.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:30:00 - [66]
 

I also only use 1 account with only 1 char. It is certainly possible, but i do agree that alts are one of the largest flaws of eve (not that they can do much about it).

Abrazzar
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:38:00 - [67]
 

It's a MMO, you're not supposed to do it all on your own.

Alas most people don't have friends so they substitute them with alts.

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:40:00 - [68]
 


If CCP did away with alts, would they allow transfer of the wasted skill points to the main character?

Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:47:00 - [69]
 

Ban all alts IMO - lose 20000 players, less lag! lol I mean in one account you have 3 chars..usually 1 main 2 alts thats 66% are alts!! stop alts now...its clogging up the game.

Seriously its like sayin hey lets make 3 of me so i can see everything thats happening. You want more chars then purchase another account. 1 char per account...
Eve is also about team work, but its also about risk, camp a gate then its your risk, dont have an alt on the other side checking whos coming in!
Eve is soooo unbalanced, CCP want to make it life like in some areas then totally opposite in another..make your minds up.

Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:48:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Drunk Driver

If CCP did away with alts, would they allow transfer of the wasted skill points to the main character?

does anyone actually train their alts? I doubt many do...

Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Celtic industries
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:53:00 - [71]
 

Having played eve for 4 years, I just got an alt for trading 2 months ago.

Never needed one, just wanted to try out trading without having to leave my main near a trade hub.

P00P
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:54:00 - [72]
 

Is Eve unplayable without alts?

No.

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.05.07 15:56:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: Drunk Driver

If CCP did away with alts, would they allow transfer of the wasted skill points to the main character?

does anyone actually train their alts? I doubt many do...


I have three accounts and nine characters. All but two have some training.

Alts in different locations need different skill sets.


Hermosa Diosas
Posted - 2009.05.07 16:01:00 - [74]
 

As i said NOT MANY do..and im sure you havent skilled them up by too much. Wink..Again get rid of alts its bloating eve big time...you want another char buy one...:)
I mean its crazy when you go in alliance with 1500 players and you see like 100 in alliance chat lol ever..be interesting to see by how many numbers drop!


Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2009.05.07 16:24:00 - [75]
 

well i dont have a huge amount of alts, but life sure is easier in eve with them

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2009.05.07 16:24:00 - [76]
 

Edited by: Myra2007 on 07/05/2009 16:26:48
This is a mmo. That means there will be incentives to group up for almost everything. Naturally if you don't have friends nearby you can substitute for them with alts(i.e. alt-scout, second bs for deadspace complexes, another 10 invention slots...). Nothing about this will ever change.

Then again eve is a huge game. There are so many aspects and the training to be somewhat maxed out in one area is substantial. I've been playing 3 years and have done lots of pvp, missions, exploration content, manufacturing, trade and so on. Could i have it done with one character? Yes, but he would've sucked at everything. :(

I like maxed characters that do a thing well but i don't want to limit my options all that much. For me the game would be too restraining in its current iteration if there were no alts.

Granted alts screw with many aspects of the game and eve without alts could be intriguing - not with the current game mechanics imo though (i.e. skills to train in excess of 12-15years, travel limits for outlaws, jump clone restrictions, rather slow travelling, regional limits for invention/build jobs etc.).

Often i'm having my pvp somewhere in lowsec, have to deliver/start 20-80 jobs per day in another region and also check prices in different areas. Its not feasible with a single character imo unless you concentrate on one thing. For me eve is a lot about pew pew but also the freedom to do what i want when i want.

edit: not to mention i like to fly all races which again is much faster with alts.

Faife
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.05.07 16:27:00 - [77]
 

depends what you're doing. now that i do caps, having cyno alts is a lifesaver. before that, eh, i managed.

Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.05.07 16:35:00 - [78]
 



ALTS > NO ALTS





Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2009.05.07 16:59:00 - [79]
 

I have 3 accounts and 8 alts. In the future I will have 100 accounts and 332 alts and make a 0.0 alliance and buy a titan.

That is why alts are useful.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2009.05.07 17:04:00 - [80]
 

But seriously. I play this game solo. In the beginning you could do that - it even said on the box I bought something like:

"get a group of friends and conquer the galaxy ... or go it alone"

But then they changed the game to Alliances Online and solo got the shaft.

I still play solo, I have 3 accounts, 1 main, 1 covert ops / prober / gang booster alt, 1 corp infiltration alt, and the rest are training up covert ops probers cause they are ESSENTIAL to high sec pvp if you want to get the money (faction mission runners).

It is very easy to play EvE in groups and corps alliances and you can do away with alts, but solo pvp, alts are very very essential.

Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.07 18:59:00 - [81]
 

what? no mention in the OP of the most common use for alts... hauling ore while mining...

Nambu
Caldari
Nova Prospekt Initiative
Posted - 2009.05.07 19:09:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: FlyinS
Originally by: Malcanis


Yeah I would seriously love a RL industry alt or two to go grind for me.


Hell I'd settle for one that ran to the grocery store and did my dishes for me.


Thats called a maid, and they aren't that expensive (if you have a decent earning job)

BillyBob Esq
Posted - 2009.05.07 19:20:00 - [83]
 

Unplayable, no. But having alts does make it a lot more fun. I played for about a year before getting another account and starting to work on alt training both on my main and secondary account. It let me experience a whole lot of eve that I had known existed but had never actually seen before. Plus it makes life easier.
Now especially with the double training time starting a new alt is so much easier.

I would support something on the show info screen that showed who's alts were whos, just to cut down on the number of people that use alts just for spying, but I wouldnt call the system broaken as is.

Calpurrnia
Posted - 2009.05.07 19:39:00 - [84]
 

Alts are a great, uh, alternative to not having jumpclones. Be several places at once... like infiltrating Corps for example...because the loot you can get going through peeps hangars, a few mods here and a spaceship there, just a casual taste for pilferage if you follow my meaning, is just sooooooo much easier to get than <gasp!> actually getting in some smelly old spaceship, and this one Alt I have hasn't left the 0.0 station in months, the pickings are just that good...but I digress. YARRRR!!


FlyinS
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2009.05.07 21:20:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Nambu


Thats called a maid, and they aren't that expensive (if you have a decent earning job)


Don't have to pay an alt at all though.

Liz Laser
The New Era
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2009.05.07 21:43:00 - [86]
 

CCP adds game mechanics to make their MMORPG more social.

Players are willing to pay 2 or three times more to NOT be social.

Such is life.


Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
Posted - 2009.05.07 22:47:00 - [87]
 

in the near future i plan on making a recruitment alt

but for the bulk of my activities i use my main

(yes i have this forum alt but it just cause i like the "personality" i put into him when creating him, id rather him be my public face than my main, that is unless its in-corp)

Kale Kold
Mindless Griefing
Posted - 2009.05.07 22:54:00 - [88]
 

When told to use an alt, that doesn't necassarily mean use another account. This is after all a massively MULTIPLAYER game!!!! Rolling Eyes

Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
Posted - 2009.05.07 23:10:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Liz Laser
CCP adds game mechanics to make their MMORPG more social.

Players are willing to pay 2 or three times more to NOT be social.

Such is life.




no, CCP put in dull and tedious mechanics that required multiple players to do mundane and simple things safely. using alts is much more convenient because nobody wants to be someone else's hauler slave or cyno monkey, or cannon fodder scout etc... or stay in one region 100% of the time so you can check the market whenever you feel like it, etc.

it's kind of like lower-class jobs... nobody wants to do them, but they must be done in order to live comfortably and stay competitive. so we make our own alt-slaves in order to do everything ourselves.

Fairren
Posted - 2009.05.07 23:16:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Xercies Ravere
One thing I hate is account alts pause your main skill training making you probably need another account if you want to do anything at the same time. Pure money making for CCP this is.
Yeah, strange how CCP is doing what all other MMO companies out there also do…

They aren't doing what SOE is doing, thank God.


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