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Snap
Posted - 2009.04.29 14:01:00 - [1]
 

Hi all,

I am new back to the game after a two year abscence.

Can someone please explain 'Salvaging' and its components and skills to me.

I thought it was simply a case of flying up to a wreck and taking whats in there, but i have subsequently read that I can improve whats in the wreck and also put stuff in wrecks where they wouldnt have been before.

I also understand there is a tractor beam or something i can use.

I am currently training up skills that I can use in PvP, but my plan is to save a little more and get myself back into a raven for some level 3/4 missions and salvage.

Is a Raven good for this?

Lee

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2009.04.29 14:02:00 - [2]
 

You can only tractor beam your own or your corp's wrecks. You can't add stuff to a wreck, but you can add stuff to one of your own jet cans. You can salvage any wreck with a salvager module.

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.29 14:06:00 - [3]
 

wow.... quick responses.

thanks for the update.

I mainly wanted it for salvaging off the level 3/4 missions..... but as I dont really know alot about it, i dont even know if thats worth it.

Is Salvaging simply a case of improving loot? and also providing a skill path towards using a tractor beam? or is there more to it?

Also..... is a Raven good for this?

Lee

Xenoxide
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.04.29 14:18:00 - [4]
 

Back in the old'en days, it used to be that when you killed someone/something they would leave a jetcan with loot, which you could open and take from.

They've changed it now. Now when you kill something, you get a wreck. The wreck may or may not have loot in it, which you can take as if it was a jetcan. However if you have a salvager, you can salvage the wreck for salvage.

Salvage is half-destroyed components, like processor parts, armor fragments, metal shards etc. These are then used to make rigs, which you then add to your ship to improve it's capabilities (Usually with a slight drawback though).

You don't need a tractor beam to do this. The tractor beam however is usefull for when there are dozens of wrecks around you, and you don't want to move from wreck to wreck (As the salvager has a maximum range), you can pull them towards you instead.

FlyinS
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2009.04.29 15:01:00 - [5]
 

Also to answer part of your question, salvaging is very worth it. You can make a lot of money salvaging.

Ghengis Tia
Posted - 2009.04.29 15:15:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Ghengis Tia on 29/04/2009 15:19:23
Most players use dedicated salvage ships when doing Level III/IV's. The ships of choice are Destroyers and Battlecruisers, as they have 8 high slots. Most folks use 4 Tractor Beams/4 Salvagers, but some recommend a 5/3 or even a 6/2 mix.

The preferred salvage ship is the Hurricane, as it's low slots can be configured with Cargo Expander II's to get over 2000m3 in capacity. Its mid slots then fit either a MWD/AB or 100MN AB, with the rest being cap rechargers. The MWD for use after you've turned in a mission and bookmark a wreck in all rooms, the AB for use when the mission is still active.

You can fit a rig called Salvage Tackle to increase the probability of a Salvage success, therefore taking less cycles (and therefore less time) to salvage each wreck. I usually put one salvager on each wreck after my 4 tractors pull them in, and with the ST rig they usually salvage on the first cycle.

I make all my own rigs, after investing in a full set of Rig BPO's. Lets you change rigs whenever you want, and let's you rig ships you'd never want to invest that much Isk in. Last time I bothered to check, I had 750M in salvage, as it does accumulate when doing Level IV's.

If you've got the discipline to loot and salvage everything in every mission, the long term benefits are there, as the loot and salvage are as valuable as the bounty and mission rewards.




Dragons Talon
Posted - 2009.04.29 15:18:00 - [7]
 

And yes, Ravens are one of the best for mission runners.

Alora Venoda
GalTech
Whiskey Creek Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.29 15:26:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ghengis Tia

I make all my own rigs, after investing in a full set of Rig BPO's. Lets you change rigs whenever you want, and let's you rig ships you'd never want to invest that much Isk in. Last time I bothered to check, I had 750M in salvage, as it does accumulate when doing Level IV's.



because if you salvage them yourself, they are free, right? Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Dragons Talon
And yes, Ravens are one of the best for mission runners.


ravens are WAY overkill for level 3 missions... they do well in level 4 missions, especially ones with lots of battleships. but usually in my experience, even most level 4 missions have many more cruisers and BC than BS. so a passive tanked drake is usually optimal for most missions. compared to a few years ago, they have made it much harder to kill cruisers and frigates with cruise missiles or torps. heavy missiles and a set of T2 light drones are generally the most efficient.

LeeBaak
Posted - 2009.04.29 15:34:00 - [9]
 

Another trick, if you're salvaging 3s/4s in a cruiser with limited cargo...

First ship you salvage with loot...save it's loot container and put it on a tractor. Then, as you fly around you can throw all of the loot into the can you're dragging around...they have a ton of space. So, you can salvage the entire room without leaving half a dozen cans around and if you have to make multiple trips to move loot back to station, you only have to come back to that one can.

Also, looting/salving everything and putting it into the one can help minimize ninja salvagers and makes sorting trash from keep/sell much easier by doing it all at once.

Only cost is one tractor that you use to drag the can around with you.

KB

Danadur
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.04.29 17:25:00 - [10]
 

As stated in an earlier post, when a ship is distroyed it now leaves a wreck. You can loot the wreck as if it was a normal loot can for modules and other drop loot, however this still leaves the wreck sitting in space. Salvager 1 and 2 modules are now available that can be equipped in a high slot. These modules can be used on targeted wrecks to extract components that can be used in the construction of ship rigs. When successful, any salvage found is automatically placed in your cargohold and the wreck disappears. If you salvage a wreck before you loot it, the loot will drop into a jetcan so you will not lose any loot.

Salvager 1's require the skills Mechanic 3, Survey 3, Electronics 1 and Salvaging 1 to equip. A Salvager 2 is the same except Salvaging 5 is required.

Salvaging is not considered an aggressive act. Other players can (and will) scan down your mission area and can salvage your wrecks and there's nothing you can do about it. If they take the loot, then they will be flagged and you can shoot them, however salvaging does not flag a player in this fashion.

Tractor Beams have also been implemented that allow you to stand off 20km and pull a targeted can or wreck to you for looting/salvaging. These modules are also high slot modules. This module requires Science 4 to equip.

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.29 17:33:00 - [11]
 

So..... can I make a suggestion and then get some feedback on it.

How's about if I use a Raven with a heavy missle load out and leave two high slots for a salvage and tractor?

Will this then create a decent level 3/4 mission running/salvager.

Obviously, Ill load out the drones as best I can.

What do you think?

Lee

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.29 17:57:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Snap
So..... can I make a suggestion and then get some feedback on it.

How's about if I use a Raven with a heavy missle load out and leave two high slots for a salvage and tractor?

Will this then create a decent level 3/4 mission running/salvager.

Obviously, Ill load out the drones as best I can.

What do you think?

Lee


nm the comment about being harder to hit the smaller stuff, its not THAT bad. Load out with normal cruise and keep 5 med, 5 light drones in that drone bay. With even semi decent drone skills the drones can handle the fighters with no issue while you take care of the BS and BC's. Cruisers may be a pain but its what, 1-2 more volleys. Whooptie doo.

I'm speaking strictly for L4 of course. Drakes still reign as king for 3's but IMO Ferox is more exciting when you get bored of sleeping through each mission.

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:08:00 - [13]
 

9kay..... so things are looking up 8O)

If i get back to a Raven, can I still tractor in wrecks, even if at this stage I am unable to technicaly salvage from them?

The items that come from salvaging, do they take up much space?

Lee

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:12:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Snap
9kay..... so things are looking up 8O)

If i get back to a Raven, can I still tractor in wrecks, even if at this stage I am unable to technicaly salvage from them?

The items that come from salvaging, do they take up much space?

Lee


Not much more than most other items. The biggest space waster I've ever gotten was metal scraps which is worthless and took quite a bit of space. I think they reduced it at some point but I really didn't pay attention to that.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:13:00 - [15]
 

Marauders > BS for missions.

I mean, come on... look at the tractor beam bonus!

heh Salvaging is a skill you want to push to 4 at least, 5 if you want T2 salvage tackle (Increases the chance of getting something).

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:29:00 - [16]
 

ho ho ho holy crap....... have you seen the cost of said 'Marauder'?

Looks great, but .......... damn!

So..... if I want a good mission runner and something that can pay for what no doubt will be an expensive PvP hobby, then a level 4 mission runner/salvager is the way to go and a Raven would be a good one for it?

another two questions:
1. Will the cargo of a Raven be good enough?
2. Will I be able to tractor beam wrecks in whilst training for salvage?

ps..... thanks for all the support so far, its been eye opening!

LEe

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:39:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Snap
ho ho ho holy crap....... have you seen the cost of said 'Marauder'?

Looks great, but .......... damn!

So..... if I want a good mission runner and something that can pay for what no doubt will be an expensive PvP hobby, then a level 4 mission runner/salvager is the way to go and a Raven would be a good one for it?

another two questions:
1. Will the cargo of a Raven be good enough?
2. Will I be able to tractor beam wrecks in whilst training for salvage?

ps..... thanks for all the support so far, its been eye opening!

LEe


Well certain L4's can bring in as much as 3500m3. Large guns and cap boosters are the main space takers. Most missions that comes to mind though with that amount of loot are Damsel in Distress, worlds Collide, and the Extravaganza's. The Raven has like a 665m3 cargohold minus missile load.
If you are not too terribly picky you can pick and choose the better selling items to hold while you mission. And yes you can tractor while fighting. One thing to keep in mind though are battleship speed changes and the Raven is a slow boat now so expect it to take time to get in range of those ships that you blew up 80km away. I think my top speed is 110ms although I sure others may go faster.

An actual more ideal ship for salvaging on the go is the Domi with it's armada of various drones and lack of ammo if you sport no guns. All you gotta figure out is how to gain aggro so your little army doesn't get annihilated but with great drone skills and the drone bonuses that ship can be a beast on missions.

21 Salvager
Minmatar
We Are Still Alive
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:45:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Snap
9kay..... so things are looking up 8O)

If i get back to a Raven, can I still tractor in wrecks, even if at this stage I am unable to technicaly salvage from them?

The items that come from salvaging, do they take up much space?

Lee


Not much more than most other items. The biggest space waster I've ever gotten was metal scraps which is worthless and took quite a bit of space. I think they reduced it at some point but I really didn't pay attention to that.
All salvage items besides Metal Scraps are very small (like 0.01m3 vs. 5m3 for the smallest modules). And Metal Scraps are now worth hauling, because they refine to the same volume of Trit, so they are literally worth their weight in Trit.

21 Salvager
Minmatar
We Are Still Alive
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:47:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Spurty
Marauders > BS for missions.

I mean, come on... look at the tractor beam bonus!

heh Salvaging is a skill you want to push to 4 at least, 5 if you want T2 salvage tackle (Increases the chance of getting something).
Not "chance of getting something": it increases the chance that you salvage the wreck. Whether or not you get any salvage from that wreck doesn't change.

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.29 18:58:00 - [20]
 

take it the larger items that were refered to in an earlier post are infact the loot items rather than the salvage ones? or am i getting the wrong end of the stick

Does salvaging create something that wouldnt normaly be in the loot? or does it increase teh loot?

Lee

Amerilia
Posted - 2009.04.29 19:01:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Snap
take it the larger items that were refered to in an earlier post are infact the loot items rather than the salvage ones? or am i getting the wrong end of the stick

Does salvaging create something that wouldnt normaly be in the loot? or does it increase teh loot?

Lee


What ure used to: Fly to wreck, loot the loot
Now you can: Fly to wreck, loot the loot, create items in your cargohold by "attacking" the wreck witht the salvagers.

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.29 21:42:00 - [22]
 

sorry to keep asking dumb questions..... but does that mean the items I 'create' by attacking with salvagers can be the same as what I have already looted or is it something that does not appear normaly as loot?

ie am I going to get another big gun or am i going to get something that is unique to salvaging?

I'm guessing its the later as I think someone made refence to items being used in creating rigs or something...

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.29 22:17:00 - [23]
 

I'll make this click easy.

You kill a ship. When you loot the ship you get items like this or this.

Then you target the wreck and salvage it (functions like a gun, just click on it when the wreck is within 5000 meter) and you get stuff like this and this

Those items you can either sell like the normal stuff or you can learn to use them to build things like this or this.

Those completed rigs can be fitted to your ship in the rigging section as long as you have the skill.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2009.04.29 22:22:00 - [24]
 

Why you cannot tractor anyones wrecks in 0.0 I'll never know. Rolling Eyes

Sheikh Yarbhouti
Posted - 2009.04.29 22:34:00 - [25]
 

Another interesting idea for a salvager is to use an Orca. Only three high slots, but you get effectively unlimited cargo capacity along with 70km tractor range.

Cerebus Alteri
Posted - 2009.04.29 23:02:00 - [26]
 

marauders are the best way to go for a solo player, period. tractor bonus, good cargo capacity, extra highs dedicated to tractors/salvagers.

long as you work on support skills for battleship particularly tanking skills, you can target, shoot, tractor, loot, salvage, tank, lather rinse repeat. nothing better than doing all at the same time and makes mission grinding a tad more interesting.

if your dual account and can play 2 chars at the same time, then no matter fly whatever works. but if you want the most efficient use of your time as solo running marauduer is hard to beat, as opposed to doing mission docking, going back to mission, salavaging and looting takes a good deal longer than doing all on the fly in one ship.

then the longer your mission site sits in space the more likely it is going to get probed out, and you will have ninja salvagers crawling all over "your" wrecks. wrecks are not owned, anyone that happens along or probes you out can salvage and make 10 of millions of isk off a good mission site, and they have no problem doing it. some will eve be so nice to to take any loot to be had as well, tho you own the loot and can shoot them if you want to.

best idea is to run two accounts or salvage while you kill keep the wreck total down and cleaned up so if you get a ninja there is not much left for them. or they might not even show up at all if there are few or no wrecks to be seen.


Snap
Posted - 2009.04.30 08:36:00 - [27]
 

All,

thank you so much for your patience and information!!!

Are you able to run two eve clients at the same time on the same computer?

LEe

Cors
It's A Trap
It's A Trap Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.30 10:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Snap
All,

thank you so much for your patience and information!!!

Are you able to run two eve clients at the same time on the same computer?

LEe


Yes you can. I my self use a Golem(Marauder) and a Domi on a second account.

I kill witht the Golems Cruise missles, it's Drones, and the drones from the domi, while useing 3 tractor beams in the Golem(It gets a bonus to tractor beam range) and my domi is setup to transfer cap to my Golem(Golem is tanker) and to salavage.

So 3 Tractors and 3 T2 Salvagers.

Overall in lvl 4 missions, when you take mission rewards, bounties, loot, salvage, LP Point rewards in, you can average about 40-60 mil an hour.

Now, that's with nonstop mission running. Melting the loot down and selling the mins, and building rigs with the salvage.

Yes Golems are expensive, but the time you save by haveing tractorbeams with a 40km range make up for the cost in the long run.

Can't make money without spending money.

As a side note you can run as many EVE clients as your computer can handle. My Quad Core AMD system with 4 gigs of ram can handle all 5 of my accounts. Either windowed, or full screen.

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.30 11:08:00 - [29]
 

5 accounts? wow.

I have a decent computer too and also a decent laptop.

I was thinking about another account, but didnt really know what to specialise in.

I was thinking of PvP, but then this characted is so much more advanced.

So.... really not sure. Any suggestions would be great.

Also...... I am just saving up now, as I only have 90mill or so.

How do you stop your second ship being attacked?

Lee

Snap
Posted - 2009.04.30 11:09:00 - [30]
 

Sorry,

Another question that i forgot in the last post.

What do i need to learn in order to start building rigs? bearing in mind that I am training alot of other things too, is it worth it? or is it almost a must have if you are salvaging anyways? ie you are getting all the materials needed.

Lee


 

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