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Jambidaya
Posted - 2009.04.24 23:44:00 - [1]
 

Just wondering, thinking of putting windows 7 on my laptop (cant stand vista) and was wondering if anybody has had experience with playing eve on windows 7.

thanks!


Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.04.24 23:54:00 - [2]
 

Works fine

ZinderX500
Caldari
Very Predictable Feedback
Posted - 2009.04.25 00:25:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Jambidaya
Just wondering, thinking of putting windows 7 on my laptop (cant stand vista) and was wondering if anybody has had experience with playing eve on windows 7.

thanks!




Vista are just fine. Just like Windows 7.

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2009.04.25 00:38:00 - [4]
 

I see no reason to downgrade from XP tbh...

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.04.25 00:40:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I see no reason to downgrade from XP tbh...
This joke is older than you are. But by my calculations that's not hard to achieve.

Neo Omni
Gallente
Posted - 2009.04.25 00:42:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I see no reason to downgrade from XP tbh...


Actually Vista is considered a side-grade....not better no worse just different.

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2009.04.25 00:54:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I see no reason to downgrade from XP tbh...
This joke is older than you are. But by my calculations that's not hard to achieve.


It would be great if it were a joke huh. I'm just saying no thanks to asking for my permission every time I want to open a file, copy to a USB stick, use the internet etc. XP is just solid is all.

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
Posted - 2009.04.25 00:56:00 - [8]
 

Works fine on Windows 7.

Vista *IS* a downgrade in my opinion. But unless M$ **** up bigstyle, then Windows 7 is going to be freaking sweet. I've been running the 7000 beta for a few months and I a: Like it better than any version of Vista and b: Like it almost as much as XP.

Why dont I just USE XP still? DX10. I likes my ingame shinies and I get them on W7.

XP = Awesome (ish - it's a M$ product after all)
Vista = Blows big chunks then corrupts your hard drive.
Windows 7 = Not even finished but better in every way than Vista. A good XP replacement.

starbreaker
Posted - 2009.04.25 00:57:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: starbreaker on 25/04/2009 00:57:42
thinkin of doin the same thing

I definately like xp more than vista, vista just has to go...

I can install either xp or 7, so im figuring i'll give the 7 beta a shot and if it doesnt work, go xp..

Also want to see how 7 holds up with audio recording software, etc

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
Posted - 2009.04.25 01:01:00 - [10]
 

It should be noted: Windows 7 *IS* BETA software. Some stuff is just plain not FINISHED yet and therefore not everything WORKS. Drivers can be a pain, although 9 times out of 10, the vista equivelant does work, the 10th time it falls over and dies horribly.
But I expect that. Its not done yet.
And it STILL works better than the supposedly completed vista.

Tramov
Caldari
Posted - 2009.04.25 01:15:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Dagger
Works fine on Windows 7.

Windows 7 = Not even finished but better in every way than Vista. A good XP replacement.




I agree on that one ; just make sure you have a machine with plenty of memory. Windows 7 looks a lot nicer than XP, but after installing it you will be wondering what the big difference is, its just like XP. There isn't anything "new".

I ran EVE on a Windows 7 machine for a while, and had maybe 1-2 mysterious crashes (which probably were driver issues) but other than that things ran smooth enough.

But for seriously playing EVE I like XP better, less overhead = more memory & CPU for EVE.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.04.25 01:23:00 - [12]
 

oh dear, so many people clueless about the actual technology in Vista and Win7, but so positively astute about how they feel about it ;0

Vista is just MS trying to force windows software developers to 'think' about security. Sadly, laboring under a misplaced assumption that anyone who buys their junk cares!

Which is why, windows will remain the number one games platform!

Setting file, account permissions correctly and knowing who is doing what on your computer is for the nerds. Remove all that junk, we demand speed ;0

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
Posted - 2009.04.25 01:30:00 - [13]
 

Eh? The security crap is the first thing to be killed on any installation of windows. Even XP had it's moments, and had them ruthlessly neutered by anyone with half a braincell. Failing to kill the M$ *security* crap is like, iunno, ratting in a .3 in a T3 ship fitted with random rat loot.

The actual technology between Vista and W7 shares a number of core similarities, but they function very differently. (Otherwise there would be no issues with drivers etc). The hardware management is QUITE different, and I dont mean in the GUI.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2009.04.25 01:34:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Dagger
Eh? The security crap is the first thing to be killed on any installation of windows.


This sentiment is 'Wrong', but almost 100% how people feel about their beloved gaming OS ;0

No, I'm not attacking you.

You are part of the 'immovable object' that MS crashed into and burned lol.

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
Posted - 2009.04.25 01:41:00 - [15]
 

Microsoft, one of the largest corporations on the planet, who's business ethics and tactics make Goonswarm look like a bunch of pewling day old n00bs, meet... My frakking delete button!

Do you have ANY idea how much of an operating system it is possible to delete before things start getting really weird?

The way I had my old XP machine, it not only survived having its Boot.ini deleted, but it took a week for me to notice, and only because I was reading the error logs that day trying to find out what thing I had broken to turn my screen upside down. (No, it had nothing to do with the M$ keyboard shortcut, THAT didn't work at all anymore. Turns out that rewriting DLL's can have hilarious effects on your display output).

I've not tried any of this on W7 yet, because I need it to work, and not randomly red screen and reboot.

Kara Mitsui
Perkone
Posted - 2009.04.25 02:26:00 - [16]
 

Meh, all this Vista hate is just hype, if you had actually tried it for a while and decided you didn't like it, then fine. I suspect most people who diss it, haven't.

I installed Vista as soon as I could get a copy, and have been running Windows 7 since the free beta was announced, and the differences aren't that great. Certainly not enough for people to say 'Vista as crap but Windows 7 is great', that's just nonsense.

I'm no MS fanboy but Vista was so much better than XP in so many ways it's just sad that people let themselves be brainwashed into using a 6-year-old OS when newer, better stuff is available.

And, er, you don't *have* to pay the earth for it, if you know where to look.

The only people I've seen with genuine problems with Vista were running some old or weird hardware configurations. I can understand people not wanting to upgrade hardware just to run Vista, but if that's the case, say 'Vista doesn't work with xxx and yyy hardware' instead of just slamming it.

Anyway, I run multiple eve clients on Windows 7 without any problems, I actually have a 128gb SSD as my boot drive, and Eve is installed on it as well. It screams along.

I also have two vid cards installed, a 9800gt and an 8800gt, each running a separate monitor, and Eve runs fine on both in windowed mode. I can't imagine you'd have any problems at all.

The new taskbar thing in Windows 7 is very nice. It's a bit of a OSX dock ripoff but there's nothing wrong with copying good design. It's better than MS deciding it had to be different and being worse as a result.

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2009.04.25 02:33:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Kara Mitsui

The new taskbar thing in Windows 7 is very nice. It's a bit of a OSX dock ripoff but there's nothing wrong with copying good design. It's better than MS deciding it had to be different and being worse as a result.


ripping off OSX is kinda a tradition with MS lol

Nyx Cyth
Posted - 2009.04.25 03:07:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kara Mitsui
Meh, all this Vista hate is just hype, if you had actually tried it for a while and decided you didn't like it, then fine. I suspect most people who diss it, haven't.

I installed Vista as soon as I could get a copy, and have been running Windows 7 since the free beta was announced, and the differences aren't that great. Certainly not enough for people to say 'Vista as crap but Windows 7 is great', that's just nonsense.

I'm no MS fanboy but Vista was so much better than XP in so many ways it's just sad that people let themselves be brainwashed into using a 6-year-old OS when newer, better stuff is available.

And, er, you don't *have* to pay the earth for it, if you know where to look.

The only people I've seen with genuine problems with Vista were running some old or weird hardware configurations. I can understand people not wanting to upgrade hardware just to run Vista, but if that's the case, say 'Vista doesn't work with xxx and yyy hardware' instead of just slamming it.

Anyway, I run multiple eve clients on Windows 7 without any problems, I actually have a 128gb SSD as my boot drive, and Eve is installed on it as well. It screams along.

I also have two vid cards installed, a 9800gt and an 8800gt, each running a separate monitor, and Eve runs fine on both in windowed mode. I can't imagine you'd have any problems at all.

The new taskbar thing in Windows 7 is very nice. It's a bit of a OSX dock ripoff but there's nothing wrong with copying good design. It's better than MS deciding it had to be different and being worse as a result.


Vista is pretty poor, microsoft implemented security features with an extremely poor lifespan (that thing that pops up and asks do you want to allow? yeah you can already bypass that) and the massive use of resources, I still can't believe its the industry standard, I make a habit of asking for a refund for the software whenever I buy a PC/Laptop with anything past Windows XP on it

I really dont think Microsoft have produced any good OS's. Many of their other pieces of software and Hardware are brilliant though, I have a mouse from them and its brilliant, extremely responsive with decent battery life and it was only 15

Corr Armageddon
Amarr
Posted - 2009.04.25 03:09:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I see no reason to downgrade from XP tbh...
This joke is older than you are. But by my calculations that's not hard to achieve.


It would be great if it were a joke huh. I'm just saying no thanks to asking for my permission every time I want to open a file, copy to a USB stick, use the internet etc. XP is just solid is all.
But what would you have to yell at if vista didnt exist?

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2009.04.25 03:13:00 - [20]
 

OP: The game is designed for Windows, so it runs well in XP, Vista and also in Windows 7 (which is an incremental upgrade to Vista.)

UniToxic
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.04.25 03:30:00 - [21]
 

Simple answer as many people above me have already said, yes Eve Online works fine on Windows 7. (as you can see in the following screenshot (note bottom right for the watermark);
http://digitalinsomnia.co.uk/hosting/pictures/shauntaylor88/eveonline_windows7.jpg
(Before any questions are asked, that isn't the default UI, I have a few 3rd party applications to recieve that final result)

--

Initially everyone was jumping up and down and saying Windows 7 sweeps the feet from below Windows Vista. Which it initially did, however, what many people didn't take in account is that the vast majority of people done a fresh install, meaning there was no software clogging up the system.

Now many people along with myself have been running Windows 7 for at least 4 months, by this time, we have the operating system full with all the junk we normally have. Therefore we can truely see how different it is under normal conditions.

Some Differences between my 4 month old Windows 7 build (which isn't final) and my 6 month old Windows Vista install (all have almost identical software installed, similar registries, identical drives) in the same system which is a;
CPU: Intel Core Duo Quad Core Q6600 (2.6ghz x 4)
GFX: nVidia BFG 8800gtx OC (768mb)
RAM: 8gb 1066mhz Corsair DDR2
HDD's: Seagate Barracuda 1tb 7200.11

Eve Online: (A typical "Kill XXX" T2 mission (about 10ships on screen firing))
Vista: 98fps - 42% Ram - 41% CPU
Win 7: 106fps - 24% Ram - 27% CPU

Counter-Strike Source: (A normal run on Office, 12v12)
Vista: 78fps - 39% Ram - 39% CPU
Win 7: 84fps - 26% Ram - 37% CPU

As you can see there isn't really too much in it now most of the computer are clogged up with the normal crap, the main difference is how Win7 deals with memory, in Vista, it used memory and graphics power on all minimized windows, this was its flaw, and caused the "slower" operating times compared to XP and now Win 7. Windows 7 statistically compared to fresh installs of XP uses about 5% more power, but that is a small pay off, considering technology has improved ten-fold since the launch of XP.

Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
Posted - 2009.04.25 04:12:00 - [22]
 

9/10 people who hated Vista actually liked it when told it was a 'new operating system' in blind tests. Seems the most objectionable thing about it is the name, and that comes from people that don't run it. As soon as I turned off UAC it became 100x better than XP. The irony is that UAC is something other operating systems have been dealing with for years without the negative attention Vista got for it.

I lament having to use XP at work still sometimes.

Windows 7 hopefully people will actually make up their own minds instead of just being brainwashed.

Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
Posted - 2009.04.25 04:16:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I see no reason to downgrade from XP tbh...
This joke is older than you are. But by my calculations that's not hard to achieve.


It would be great if it were a joke huh. I'm just saying no thanks to asking for my permission every time I want to open a file, copy to a USB stick, use the internet etc. XP is just solid is all.


You know you can turn that off, and that doing so only makes Vista slightly more secure than XP instead of way more secure. UAC != Vista, but UAC = where Vista got the rep from.

SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
Posted - 2009.04.25 04:42:00 - [24]
 

LOL first win 7 is vista with a few tweaks. Mostly security and a few UI stuff like the UAC.
2nd vistas security is better than XP's
3rd for all those that hate the POP UP UAC message would you like to etc..... you can turn that off quite easily and it's not some uber HAXORS work around it's an option.

4th the UAC was actually implemented not to stop dumb dumb average joe customers, but bad programmers that could possibly implement controls and work arounds in bad places due to mistakes/negligence.

5th all you anti MS people/fear of the man. Gave right into the other man "steve jobs/mac" via their add campaign and because someone else told you vista was no bueno and macs are superior in every way possible. Macs are better at some things and PC's are better at others.

Christ do some research and think for your selves.

So yes win 7 does work fine...because it's already an OS called vista.

Benzaiten Reverse
Caldari
Shokei
Posted - 2009.04.25 05:07:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lord Fitz
9/10 people who hated Vista actually liked it when told it was a 'new operating system' in blind tests. Seems the most objectionable thing about it is the name, and that comes from people that don't run it. As soon as I turned off UAC it became 100x better than XP. The irony is that UAC is something other operating systems have been dealing with for years without the negative attention Vista got for it.

I lament having to use XP at work still sometimes.

Windows 7 hopefully people will actually make up their own minds instead of just being brainwashed.

I was one of 1st to try Vista and runned it for over year and me as windows administrator almost throw my PC out of window during 1st week.
I gues vista was not that bad for average user that just run few programs at a time on it, but memory management on it was rely terrible and you notice it slowing down over time (4GB ram and 4.6GB paging file used once Shocked ) compared for average 1.5-3GB of memory and no paging at all in W2003.
I dont even mention really poor HW implementation in vista like slowing down disc controller speed from 492MB/s to purely caped 128MB/s (XP vs Vista) and graphic card running hot all the time.

W7 seems to be much better then Vista so i will give it try once its finished.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2009.04.25 05:26:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Taedrin on 25/04/2009 05:26:16
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels
LOL first win 7 is vista with a few tweaks. Mostly security and a few UI stuff like the UAC.
2nd vistas security is better than XP's
3rd for all those that hate the POP UP UAC message would you like to etc..... you can turn that off quite easily and it's not some uber HAXORS work around it's an option.

4th the UAC was actually implemented not to stop dumb dumb average joe customers, but bad programmers that could possibly implement controls and work arounds in bad places due to mistakes/negligence.

5th all you anti MS people/fear of the man. Gave right into the other man "steve jobs/mac" via their add campaign and because someone else told you vista was no bueno and macs are superior in every way possible. Macs are better at some things and PC's are better at others.

Christ do some research and think for your selves.

So yes win 7 does work fine...because it's already an OS called vista.


Windows 7 is MUCH more optimized. Windows Vista is a lot more of a system hog than 7.

First thing that is noticeable: Support for Windows 7 is a LOT better than Vista was when Vista was in beta. Vista had horrible driver support, especially for 64 bit systems. Windows 7 has the support that Vista was missing at that stage of it's life. This is mostly because Windows 7 did not change the driver model, so third parties don't have to make very many changes to their driver software.

Second: Windows 7 has a lot more optimizations. Boot up does a lot more loading in parallel instead of sequentailly like Windows Vista does, so Windows 7 boots up several seconds faster than Vista on the same machine. It is significantly noticeable.

Third: Microsoft has supposedly put a larger focus on speed and memory optimizations. Vista is well known for being a massive resource hog. Windows 7, on the other hand, is supposedly faster than Windows XP. I wouldn't know, as my computer is beefy enough that I can't tell the difference in speed between Vista and Win7.

EDIT: As for the OP - EVE works flawlessly for me under Windows 7. As good if not better than it does in Vista.

Khan Soriano
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.25 08:34:00 - [27]
 

Tis true, Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread.

I use 7000 build (there are a lot newer available) and it performs on par with XP (provided you have semi-current hardware ie. 2 cores, lots of ram - all of that is cheap now). But 7 has few other things that make it better than XP:
  1. Nice UI - I really like it, this is the way it should work since Win 95, even taskbar grouping is nicer

  2. Customization to hidden icons - yes, you can finally define which should be visible or not

  3. DirectX 11 - No game uses it now but since DX10 is inside too you can enjoy your new shiny effects and performance

  4. More security - I'm no expert on OS security but some things made sense to me when they designed Vista and Win 7 is just better, so its safe to assume XP is less secure


If your laptop can handle XP well enough I say give Win 7 a try. It's what Vista should be, a good continuation.

ohhssnoess
Posted - 2009.04.25 08:55:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
I see no reason to downgrade from XP tbh...
This joke is older than you are. But by my calculations that's not hard to achieve.


It would be great if it were a joke huh. I'm just saying no thanks to asking for my permission every time I want to open a file, copy to a USB stick, use the internet etc. XP is just solid is all.


You know you can turn that off, and that doing so only makes Vista slightly more secure than XP instead of way more secure. UAC != Vista, but UAC = where Vista got the rep from.


You been under a rock for awhile right? Conficker anyone?

Hariya
Posted - 2009.04.25 08:57:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Dagger
Vista *IS* a downgrade in my opinion. But unless M$ **** up bigstyle, then Windows 7 is going to be freaking sweet.


Yeah, it'll be roughly where Mac OS X and the best Linux distributions were in 2004 Rolling Eyes

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.04.25 09:42:00 - [30]
 

The problem with UAC was that windows programmers (even at microsoft) weren't used to programming for use in sandboxed/limited mode. They had grown accustomed to having full admin rights to everything and thus did things that a normal, non-system-critical app had no business doing, which made UAC go bonkers.

Making your program UAC aware is trivial. Making a program well-behaved in a limited-mode enivronment is trivial. Making a standard user app never trigger UAC is ridiculously easy. Windows programmers just didn't know what any of that meant and failed to grasp the entire concept. *nix programmers had dealt with it just fine for the last, oh, 30 years, which is why the same functionality in OSX and Linux is so transparent.

As a security measure, UAC was far from perfect — it wasn't much in the way of protection — but the fault was with the incompetent programmers rather than with windows. It was a move towards shedding a legacy mode of thinking and it's unfortunate that MS had to take the blame for something they actually did right… Neutral


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