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Ranik Sandaris
Caldari
The Centurions
Eternus Imperium Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.23 11:27:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Jacob Mei
While I agree with a lot of what you say Akita in my opinion it boils down to this: the value of the object is for the creator to decide when it comes to intellectual property.

Just because the creator sets the price to an absurd level does not grant the right to steal the property regardless of physical existence or not to the consumer. You simply dont pay the price the artist asks for and wait until it comes down to what you think the value is or you move on.

Admittedly this view is black and white but the consumer does not have the right to say too much, Im taking it anyway.



Just wanted to say, this reminds me of that joke a guy did with a bank. Its floating around on the internet somwhere, so ims ure somone could find it. He got an e-mail reminding him that his account was overdrawn by x amount, he then drew a picture of a spider in paint, and said I value this at exactly blah blah blah". Kind of related i geuss.

K'Daai
Mensa.
Posted - 2009.04.23 11:45:00 - [62]
 

Everything except ms office and windows, but only because I get them for free from my university, otherwise I would.

Onus Mian
Amarr
Kingfisher Industries
Posted - 2009.04.23 14:09:00 - [63]
 

I'm not a thief so I don't have any pirated stuff. Once you start to justify small crimes its a slippery slope to greater crimes.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2009.04.23 14:54:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Ranik Sandaris
Originally by: Jacob Mei
While I agree with a lot of what you say Akita in my opinion it boils down to this: the value of the object is for the creator to decide when it comes to intellectual property.

Just because the creator sets the price to an absurd level does not grant the right to steal the property regardless of physical existence or not to the consumer. You simply dont pay the price the artist asks for and wait until it comes down to what you think the value is or you move on.

Admittedly this view is black and white but the consumer does not have the right to say too much, Im taking it anyway.



Just wanted to say, this reminds me of that joke a guy did with a bank. Its floating around on the internet somwhere, so ims ure somone could find it. He got an e-mail reminding him that his account was overdrawn by x amount, he then drew a picture of a spider in paint, and said I value this at exactly blah blah blah". Kind of related i geuss.



*shrugs* he was sellin but the bank wasnt buying but I dont see the bank taking the image anyway.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2009.04.23 16:48:00 - [65]
 


rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.04.23 20:08:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: rValdez5987 on 23/04/2009 20:09:25
Originally by: masternerdguy
Ok would you pirate these...(They step up the price scale to see just where the line is)

1. A song
2. A 5 dollar CD of Bon Jovie (or ur favorite band)
3. A movie
4. A video game, crysis for example
5. A collection of movies
6. Microsoft Office
7. Microsoft Windows
8. Maya (or insert your favorite expensive 3d moddeling program here)
9. Adobe Masters Collection (2.3 grand in USA, ive read that pricing overseas is much more)
10. Something more expensive than masters collection that I have been unable to findVery Happy


1. No, I buy individual songs through itunes.
2. No, I buy cd's either at a store or through itunes.
3. I dont watch movies but if i did, id either buy them through itunes, or watch them on netflix.
4. No, I buy games through steam, impulse, and ea link, as well as preorders for various brick and mortar shops.
5. no see above.
6. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
7. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
8. No, I can afford to buy it.
9. No, I can afford to buy it.
10. I can afford to buy anything I want, and have.

Bottom line, pirates tend to either be lazy or poor. Or perhaps you dont want to support corrupt companies, but that still doesn't make pirating right.

The only things I use torrenting for are for acquiring things that are out of print and cannot be purchased (not even on ebay) or watching shows from other countries as they air live when It's not possible to purchase said shows or see them aired any other way.

ninja edit to add: hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all.

masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2009.04.23 22:40:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987
Edited by: rValdez5987 on 23/04/2009 20:09:25
Originally by: masternerdguy
Ok would you pirate these...(They step up the price scale to see just where the line is)

1. A song
2. A 5 dollar CD of Bon Jovie (or ur favorite band)
3. A movie
4. A video game, crysis for example
5. A collection of movies
6. Microsoft Office
7. Microsoft Windows
8. Maya (or insert your favorite expensive 3d moddeling program here)
9. Adobe Masters Collection (2.3 grand in USA, ive read that pricing overseas is much more)
10. Something more expensive than masters collection that I have been unable to findVery Happy


1. No, I buy individual songs through itunes.
2. No, I buy cd's either at a store or through itunes.
3. I dont watch movies but if i did, id either buy them through itunes, or watch them on netflix.
4. No, I buy games through steam, impulse, and ea link, as well as preorders for various brick and mortar shops.
5. no see above.
6. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
7. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
8. No, I can afford to buy it.
9. No, I can afford to buy it.
10. I can afford to buy anything I want, and have.

Bottom line, pirates tend to either be lazy or poor. Or perhaps you dont want to support corrupt companies, but that still doesn't make pirating right.

The only things I use torrenting for are for acquiring things that are out of print and cannot be purchased (not even on ebay) or watching shows from other countries as they air live when It's not possible to purchase said shows or see them aired any other way.

ninja edit to add: hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all.


isnt cracking still a part of the EULA? And btw:

hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all

I'm poor, but I don't pirate. The FBI and getting "stuffed" in prison scare me too much Very Happy

FBI Homelandsecurity
Posted - 2009.04.23 22:46:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: masternerdguy

isnt cracking still a part of the EULA? And btw:

hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all

I'm poor, but I don't pirate. The FBI and getting "stuffed" in prison scare me too much Very Happy


Don't mind us, its not like we're keeping tabs in this thread or anything.

masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2009.04.23 22:47:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: FBI Homelandsecurity
Originally by: masternerdguy

isnt cracking still a part of the EULA? And btw:

hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all

I'm poor, but I don't pirate. The FBI and getting "stuffed" in prison scare me too much Very Happy


Don't mind us, its not like we're keeping tabs in this thread or anything.


LOLughughYARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!NeutralArrowIdeaQuestionExclamationWinkRolling EyesTwisted EvilEvil or Very MadCrying or Very sadEmbarassedRazzMadLaughingCoolConfusedShockedSurprisedSadSmileVery Happy

ceaon
Posted - 2009.04.25 03:12:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: ceaon on 25/04/2009 03:13:22
i forgot to add in my country is legal to pirate music etc because i pay a tax on:
dvd
cd
HDD
dvd-roms
media HDD
usb pen drive
mobile phone
MP3's /ipods
photo cameras
video cameras
printers
etc
is only illegal for me if i sell them Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy

SwiftAssassin
Posted - 2009.04.25 04:57:00 - [71]
 

NEVER MEVER I WOULD NEVER DO SUCH A THING

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.04.25 06:58:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: rValdez5987
Edited by: rValdez5987 on 23/04/2009 20:09:25
Originally by: masternerdguy
Ok would you pirate these...(They step up the price scale to see just where the line is)

1. A song
2. A 5 dollar CD of Bon Jovie (or ur favorite band)
3. A movie
4. A video game, crysis for example
5. A collection of movies
6. Microsoft Office
7. Microsoft Windows
8. Maya (or insert your favorite expensive 3d moddeling program here)
9. Adobe Masters Collection (2.3 grand in USA, ive read that pricing overseas is much more)
10. Something more expensive than masters collection that I have been unable to findVery Happy


1. No, I buy individual songs through itunes.
2. No, I buy cd's either at a store or through itunes.
3. I dont watch movies but if i did, id either buy them through itunes, or watch them on netflix.
4. No, I buy games through steam, impulse, and ea link, as well as preorders for various brick and mortar shops.
5. no see above.
6. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
7. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
8. No, I can afford to buy it.
9. No, I can afford to buy it.
10. I can afford to buy anything I want, and have.

Bottom line, pirates tend to either be lazy or poor. Or perhaps you dont want to support corrupt companies, but that still doesn't make pirating right.

The only things I use torrenting for are for acquiring things that are out of print and cannot be purchased (not even on ebay) or watching shows from other countries as they air live when It's not possible to purchase said shows or see them aired any other way.

ninja edit to add: hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all.


isnt cracking still a part of the EULA? And btw:

hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all

I'm poor, but I don't pirate. The FBI and getting "stuffed" in prison scare me too much Very Happy


If i say its out of print i mean its out of print. we are talking dos age stuff, before there WAS copy protection other then maybe a password.

I dont crack anything. Against the tos for the dos program? sure. is anyone gonna ***** at me when its something that cannot be purchased? Nope, in some cases the utility is almost free anyways as the author is dead.

and the fbi generally doesnt come against individuals. they go after the suppliers.

Moejdal
Posted - 2009.04.25 07:21:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Moejdal on 25/04/2009 07:21:51
1. Whops Rolling Eyes
2. Sure.
3. Sure, most movies suck
4. Possibly, depending on how good the game is (if it's good, I'll buy it)
5. A collection of movies
6. Yes (only reason: MSDN doesn't have office available
7. I accidentially one (although MSDN provides them for free)
8. Depends on how badly I need it.
9. Same as 8
10. Same as 9.
YARRRR!!

NeoNeTiC
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.04.25 09:40:00 - [74]
 

Topic does not deliver.

I expected it to be about roaming the seas a few hundred years in the past, pillaging and plundering in my own ship. Sad

Copy right infringement is boring - and wearing an eye patch while doing it looks silly.
I'd totally seize a ship full of CDs roaming the seas if it belongs to a famous publisher though. Just for the sake of it. Laughing

That's about the only opinion on this topic I could come up with so far.

Enjoy your shipless piracy,

NeoNeTiC

Amarr Militia Yarrthusiast

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.04.25 12:48:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Xen Gin on 25/04/2009 12:50:07
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
First off, they wouldn't borrow it to me, they would lend it to me. Lending implies that I'll be giving it back. Do you intend to give back your pirated game to the company who made it?
Criminals don't really steal cars, they just borrow them.
Now if my friend said I could keep the game then he would be giving it to me. Now he has already purchased the game and what he does with his copy is his thing (aside from making copies and distributing it as noted by the copyright law that is imprinted everywhere). By giving it and not asking for money he takes a loss but the loss is his, not the company who made the game.

From what I have learned so far is that taking the product from a store shelf is a crime according to everyone here. But by removing the shipping and industry portion and downloading the digital copy, the actual part that every consumer is going to use, nullifies the crime effect.


But what if the first guy actually bought it, then decided to digitally lend to you. Some of the gaming companies, like EA and the music and movie industry are attempting to make the second hand market illegal, because they don't get any money from it.

The thing is, that when it really comes down to it, a slight electrical charge stored in an array that constitutes 1's and 0's of an IP are not seen, rightly as physical properties, they can't be seen by the ordinary user and as such zero value is placed on their existence. However the medium on which those 1's and 0's are stored have perceived value, they are tangible. Thus, if people generally who would download illegally would not go into a store and take a physical copy, in the same way, that these people would not break into your home and steal your hard drive for that copy.

Like it's been said, that when these companies give you figures on how much they lost (which assumes they had that money in the first place, but they didn't.) from pirating, it's not true. Many people who pirated would never have bought it at all.
Then there are also those types of people: quite a lot of people who like to try before you buy, meaning they (the companies) have actually gained money from pirating.
Then there are the people who have bought a legal copy, but want to have a striped down and hacked version, because of the non-functioning DRM that only affects legitimate users who have bought the legal copy i.e. SecurRom and EA games generally.
Then you have the people who see something, look at the price of the legal copy and say, I can't afford that, I'll see if I can get it for free, they may attempted to buy a legal copy if they really like it and can afford to later on.
Then you the people who will pirate anything and anything, but would never have bought a legit copy anyway.

Erin Feineneu
Caldari
Posted - 2009.04.25 14:38:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: FBI Homelandsecurity
Originally by: masternerdguy

isnt cracking still a part of the EULA? And btw:

hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all

I'm poor, but I don't pirate. The FBI and getting "stuffed" in prison scare me too much Very Happy


Don't mind us, its not like we're keeping tabs in this thread or anything.
HAHA Oh wow Shocked

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.04.25 14:54:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: masternerdguy
Ok would you pirate these...(They step up the price scale to see just where the line is)

1. A song
2. A 5 dollar CD of Bon Jovie (or ur favorite band)
3. A movie
4. A video game, crysis for example
5. A collection of movies
6. Microsoft Office
7. Microsoft Windows
8. Maya (or insert your favorite expensive 3d moddeling program here)
9. Adobe Masters Collection (2.3 grand in USA, ive read that pricing overseas is much more)
10. Something more expensive than masters collection that I have been unable to findVery Happy


Currently, I have pirated all of those things, multiple times.

1. My collection has over 17,000, I have purchased 3 of the albums within it.
2. See 1.
3. Probably over 100 over the years. I own under 10.
4. Yes, but I tend to buy them moreso than pirate now.
5. Yes
6. Yes, but now I use OpenOffice, an open source free office package, which I personally find better than MS Office.
7. Currently using a pirate copy of windows, and I have pirated ME and OSX.
8. Maya, 3DS Max, Cinema 4D and Lightwave. I'm a student, currently using 3DS Max, moving to Maya next year. I fully intend to buy copies once I leave university.
9. Yes, every collection from 7 to CS4.
10. Nuke, a compositing software - almost 4,000.


However, I don't feel bad that I have 'stolen' a likely 30,000 plus in goods.

1. Artists rarely make money from their albums alone. The majority of their income is from Live performances. I don't steal tickets to go see live performances, which I am a great fan of.
2. See 1.
3. No justification here, other than that the majority of income is from Cinema tickets, which I do pay for. I have DVD Copies of many movies on my HDD, but I refuse to download a movie while it is currently in the Cinema. I pay to see new releases.
4. I pay for most of my games now. Steam is a worthwhile asset.
5. See 3.
6. I don't anymore. OpenOffice.
7. No excuse here, really.
8. I'm using the copies I downloaded to educate myself, and am currently studying for a job within that industry, so whatever I may have borrowed for the time being, I will pay back eventually.
9. See 8 - I'll buy it once I can afford it.
10. See 8 - I'll buy it once I can afford it.

Noosen
Posted - 2009.04.26 10:01:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: masternerdguy
Ok would you pirate these...(They step up the price scale to see just where the line is)

1. A song
2. A 5 dollar CD of Bon Jovie (or ur favorite band)
3. A movie
4. A video game, crysis for example
5. A collection of movies
6. Microsoft Office
7. Microsoft Windows
8. Maya (or insert your favorite expensive 3d moddeling program here)
9. Adobe Masters Collection (2.3 grand in USA, ive read that pricing overseas is much more)
10. Something more expensive than masters collection that I have been unable to findVery Happy


1. Why? waste of time.
2. Nope, But then most stuff i like is free. If its DL from the artist directly I'll buy it.
3. Again why? Waste of bandwidth and quality normally sucks. Only copys' I trust are my own.
4. If there is no demo Yup. If its DRM'd to hell and back yup. If its available from the software house direct I'll buy it. If its available form the software house and DRM'd? I'll buy it then I'll crack it.
5. An even bigger waste of bandwidth than 3.
6. Used to, Now MSDN.
7. Used to, again now its MSDN.
8. Demo it if possible. If not I'll borrow and i'll pay if i decide its a benefit. If i like it I'll buy it. (not buying Maya though, its renderer is still balls and IMO Lightwave has gone downhill)
9. I own that. Easier to buy it than download and the support is what i was paying for. Besides, it looks nice on the shelf.
10. CS4 Masters Collection is cheap. Maya Unltd costs twice that (6.5K) and Maya now costs half of what it used too and a tenth of the price of the software I normally deal with. (some of which will cost upwards of 250K for base and 15K per user or more on both counts). And Yes. I acquire' those. Once the company I deal with has decided to buy them I ensure they are licensed.

In short, I'll pay if **I** think its worth it and not because some ass in a suit says I owe him money and i will NOT pay for the privilege of finding out that I've been wasting my time.



Constantine Arcanum
Bad Company DBD
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2009.04.26 12:14:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987
Edited by: rValdez5987 on 23/04/2009 20:09:25
Originally by: masternerdguy
Ok would you pirate these...(They step up the price scale to see just where the line is)

1. A song
2. A 5 dollar CD of Bon Jovie (or ur favorite band)
3. A movie
4. A video game, crysis for example
5. A collection of movies
6. Microsoft Office
7. Microsoft Windows
8. Maya (or insert your favorite expensive 3d moddeling program here)
9. Adobe Masters Collection (2.3 grand in USA, ive read that pricing overseas is much more)
10. Something more expensive than masters collection that I have been unable to findVery Happy


1. No, I buy individual songs through itunes.
2. No, I buy cd's either at a store or through itunes.
3. I dont watch movies but if i did, id either buy them through itunes, or watch them on netflix.
4. No, I buy games through steam, impulse, and ea link, as well as preorders for various brick and mortar shops.
5. no see above.
6. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
7. I have MSDA access, this is legally free for me because of my position.
8. No, I can afford to buy it.
9. No, I can afford to buy it.
10. I can afford to buy anything I want, and have.

Bottom line, pirates tend to either be lazy or poor. Or perhaps you dont want to support corrupt companies, but that still doesn't make pirating right.

The only things I use torrenting for are for acquiring things that are out of print and cannot be purchased (not even on ebay) or watching shows from other countries as they air live when It's not possible to purchase said shows or see them aired any other way.

ninja edit to add: hahah poor people, lrn2makemoney. that is all.


I'm not poor in any sense, nor am i lazy, I just don't see the logic in paying for something I can get for free.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.26 20:32:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin

But what if the first guy actually bought it, then decided to digitally lend to you.


He wouldn't, and do you know why? Because I would refuse a cracked copy. If I see a game my friend is playing and I decide that I like it I bebop down to the store and buy a copy. Same with movies.
Just like credit cards I refuse to believe in Torrents.

Originally by: Xen Gin
Some of the gaming companies, like EA and the music and movie industry are attempting to make the second hand market illegal, because they don't get any money from it.


You're the second one to cite this and I would like a link please. They've already have gotten money for it when it was bought new. Once a product start showing age it starts circulating around in a second hand nature. Which is why companies like EA go on to Make Maden XXXXXXV which is more or less exactly like the Maden before it.

Originally by: Xen Gin
The thing is, that when it really comes down to it, a slight electrical charge stored in an array that constitutes 1's and 0's of an IP are not seen, rightly as physical properties, they can't be seen by the ordinary user and as such zero value is placed on their existence. However the medium on which those 1's and 0's are stored have perceived value, they are tangible. Thus, if people generally who would download illegally would not go into a store and take a physical copy, in the same way, that these people would not break into your home and steal your hard drive for that copy.


You are the third person to tell me this. Please explain to me why a copy of Fallout 3 in digital form has no value while a copy of Fallout 3 in a box does. Are those few sheets of cardboard that you toss out 5 minutes after you get home really worth that much more? Personally, I've leaned towards the value of the game and not the box it came in.
So this has got me thinking. I do online banking and as a general knowledge that most banks don't hold the physical paper amount of currency in the bank this must mean to me that my money is digital. So by your logic, if my account were cracked and the money were downloaded to another account leaving me broke then technically it is not a crime as the money is in digital format correct?

Originally by: Xen Gin
More repeat


I'll tell you one thing, I got my answer in this thread and it came from Kings Gambit

Originally by: Kings Gambit
Although I realise it is naughty, it doesn't particularly bother me.


You see, I can actually give a rats ass if you guys do it or not. I'm not your mother or your father. You are not my problem and for all I care you can be the worlds next mastermind. It just ruffles my feathers when you try to justify it as being ok.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.04.26 21:01:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Xen Gin

But what if the first guy actually bought it, then decided to digitally lend to you.


He wouldn't, and do you know why? Because I would refuse a cracked copy. If I see a game my friend is playing and I decide that I like it I bebop down to the store and buy a copy. Same with movies.
Just like credit cards I refuse to believe in Torrents.

Originally by: Xen Gin
Some of the gaming companies, like EA and the music and movie industry are attempting to make the second hand market illegal, because they don't get any money from it.


You're the second one to cite this and I would like a link please. They've already have gotten money for it when it was bought new. Once a product start showing age it starts circulating around in a second hand nature. Which is why companies like EA go on to Make Maden XXXXXXV which is more or less exactly like the Maden before it.

Originally by: Xen Gin
The thing is, that when it really comes down to it, a slight electrical charge stored in an array that constitutes 1's and 0's of an IP are not seen, rightly as physical properties, they can't be seen by the ordinary user and as such zero value is placed on their existence. However the medium on which those 1's and 0's are stored have perceived value, they are tangible. Thus, if people generally who would download illegally would not go into a store and take a physical copy, in the same way, that these people would not break into your home and steal your hard drive for that copy.


You are the third person to tell me this. Please explain to me why a copy of Fallout 3 in digital form has no value while a copy of Fallout 3 in a box does. Are those few sheets of cardboard that you toss out 5 minutes after you get home really worth that much more? Personally, I've leaned towards the value of the game and not the box it came in.
So this has got me thinking. I do online banking and as a general knowledge that most banks don't hold the physical paper amount of currency in the bank this must mean to me that my money is digital. So by your logic, if my account were cracked and the money were downloaded to another account leaving me broke then technically it is not a crime as the money is in digital format correct?

Originally by: Xen Gin
More repeat


I'll tell you one thing, I got my answer in this thread and it came from Kings Gambit

Originally by: Kings Gambit
Although I realise it is naughty, it doesn't particularly bother me.


You see, I can actually give a rats ass if you guys do it or not. I'm not your mother or your father. You are not my problem and for all I care you can be the worlds next mastermind. It just ruffles my feathers when you try to justify it as being ok.


Yeah, way not to understand what I wrote, and then try to make really bad analogies in a way to corrupt what I was saying.

Simply put, I said most people who download illegally don't put worth on bits (Binary Digits), because they not tangible, are you following me yet Michael? because this does seem to get a bit confusing for you. This does not mean somehow that this must logically conclude that emptying some ones bank account is comparable to illegally downloading a song. Why you thought this is beyond me, I mean you could have gone with copying some ones bank account, but that still doesn't make sense.

The proof that they are trying to prevent lending is by making games install limited even on the same computer, while I may have said trying to make it illegal, I can't at this moment the original article and will let that slide.


Also if you got your answer why are you still here? Trolling me thinks.

TraininVain
Posted - 2009.04.26 21:16:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: TraininVain on 26/04/2009 21:18:27
Originally by: masternerdguy
Ok would you pirate these...(They step up the price scale to see just where the line is)

1. A song
Probably. I mean they want me to hear their songs, right? They play them at me on the radio for this reason.

2. A 5 dollar CD of Bon Jovie (or ur favorite band)
Possibly.

See if I like the band I try and pay for their music if I'm not broke, especially if it's on a tiny label as a lot of the stuff I like is. I paid money voluntarily for a few things I downloaded.

Older stuff I'm less fussed about. I mean it's not like John Lennon or Mick Jagger or Ludwig Van Beethoven are missing the cash, yes?

3. A movie
Possibly. Most movies are terrible, to be fair. Like 3% of movies I see I think are worth the price of a ticket. Also going to the cinema sucks.

4. A video game, crysis for example
Maybe. Depends if there's no demo. It's pretty problematic imo because games publishers are filthy money grubbing vampires so if I actually like a game I try to buy it just to incentivise the publisher to fund another one. OFC that falls down when they take my money and spend it on games I don't want (Ubisoft I am looking at you).

5. A collection of movies
See 3. I dunno how it'd make a difference. I guess if it's an old movie I'm possibly more likely to find it online. I do tend to rifle the cheap rack though to see if anything jumps out at me.

6. Microsoft Office
Nah. I don't like the new version. Prefer Open Office.

7. Microsoft Windows
Possibly if I get around to upgrading my laptop to XP. I'll probably get Linux and save myself the bother tbh.

8. Maya (or insert your favorite expensive 3d moddeling program here)
9. Adobe Masters Collection (2.3 grand in USA, ive read that pricing overseas is much more)
Heh. I'm pretty sure piracy is their unofficial training programme for this stuff.

10. Something more expensive than masters collection that I have been unable to findVery Happy
Yeah, probably. I'm not a business. Any software that expensive I'm obtaining to **** around with anyway so I'm making zero money from it and not really who they're pricing for.


Bestofworst
Gallente
Posted - 2009.04.26 23:13:00 - [83]
 

Only thing I pilot is something I'm not sure I would really like, say if there is a game that doesn't have any sort of demo but looks promising.

Other than that I rather pay for the product so the company / band can keep doing what they do best.

Kaidem
Minmatar
Black Rebellion
Posted - 2009.04.27 00:42:00 - [84]
 

Yes to all points, except for getting copys for my fave band. I have downloaded a lot of music however if it is a CD that I really really like, such as Rammstein, System of a Down etc then I will always go and buy their music. The only exception to this is when they have songs which were never released or are so rare I can't get my hands on it then I will download it, but as I couldnt get my hands on it through a legal source, I dont see an issue with that.

If it is one of my fave bands then I will always buy it as I want to support them.

Elite Qin
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.04.27 03:11:00 - [85]
 

DLing #10 right now just cause you suggested it.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.27 03:37:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 27/04/2009 03:39:15
Originally by: Xen Gin


Yeah, way not to understand what I wrote, and then try to make really bad analogies in a way to corrupt what I was saying.

Simply put, I said most people who download illegally don't put worth on bits (Binary Digits), because they not tangible, are you following me yet Michael? because this does seem to get a bit confusing for you. This does not mean somehow that this must logically conclude that emptying some ones bank account is comparable to illegally downloading a song. Why you thought this is beyond me, I mean you could have gone with copying some ones bank account, but that still doesn't make sense.

The proof that they are trying to prevent lending is by making games install limited even on the same computer, while I may have said trying to make it illegal, I can't at this moment the original article and will let that slide.


Also if you got your answer why are you still here? Trolling me thinks.


I haven't misunderstood any of what you, Akita, or Brea keep trying to preach so you can come out smelling like roses in the crime industry.
I guess maybe with my age I understand it better than you may think, because you see, back in my day if you wanted to steal something, you need to actually put some shoes on and go to the crime scene itself.
That lead to a lot of exciting factors like scoping out where the security camera's were, how many employee's were working and where they were at, were there electronic scanners at the doors, and how much of a chance there might be that you would actually be ID'd. They were exciting times I tell you, which was part of the fun in obtaining something that you didn't pay for, and at times quite the adrenaline rush.
So then we gathered 2400 steel and gold and 30000 food leading us into the digital age and then there was this new fangled invention called the World Wide Web, and it opened so many doors. If you wanted to see what was playing at the theater you didn't actually have to drive to the theater to see the list. If you wanted to shop cars you didn't have to go to a car dealership. Hell you could even buy groceries online.
So now days instead of going in solo or with a group of friends with your heart pounding you can found at your desk in nothing but your boxers eating a bowl of fruit loops while you commit the same crime I committed years earlier.

I swear you kids have it too easy now.

You 3 so far keep trying to reword what you do so it doesn't sound like a bad thing but I'm sorry bro, whether your Robin Hood or Charles Peace, stealing is stealing no matter how you look at it.

And even though we got the one smart guy who gave an excellent answer you had to requote what I said earlier, hence why I responded, like I'm responding now although I already knew what your response was going to be and I've already got bets with myself on what your next comeback will be. But by all means, if you feel the need to repeat the lie then do so, I won't stop you. I heard that if you say it enough times you actually start to believe it. Carry on.

Brea Lafail
Posted - 2009.04.27 03:41:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: ceaon
Edited by: ceaon on 25/04/2009 03:13:22
i forgot to add in my country is legal to pirate music etc because i pay a tax on:
dvd
cd
HDD
dvd-roms
media HDD
usb pen drive
mobile phone
MP3's /ipods
photo cameras
video cameras
printers
etc
is only illegal for me if i sell them Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy


In my country, we pay a similar tax, but they still try to tell us it's illegal. Hurray for lobby groups!

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2009.04.27 04:48:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Xen Gin on 27/04/2009 04:49:35
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I haven't misunderstood any of what you, Akita, or Brea keep trying to preach so you can come out smelling like roses in the crime industry.
I guess maybe with my age I understand it better than you may think, because you see, back in my day if you wanted to steal something, you need to actually put some shoes on and go to the crime scene itself.
That lead to a lot of exciting factors like scoping out where the security camera's were, how many employee's were working and where they were at, were there electronic scanners at the doors, and how much of a chance there might be that you would actually be ID'd. They were exciting times I tell you, which was part of the fun in obtaining something that you didn't pay for, and at times quite the adrenaline rush.
So then we gathered 2400 steel and gold and 30000 food leading us into the digital age and then there was this new fangled invention called the World Wide Web, and it opened so many doors. If you wanted to see what was playing at the theater you didn't actually have to drive to the theater to see the list. If you wanted to shop cars you didn't have to go to a car dealership. Hell you could even buy groceries online.
So now days instead of going in solo or with a group of friends with your heart pounding you can found at your desk in nothing but your boxers eating a bowl of fruit loops while you commit the same crime I committed years earlier.

I swear you kids have it too easy now.

You 3 so far keep trying to reword what you do so it doesn't sound like a bad thing but I'm sorry bro, whether your Robin Hood or Charles Peace, stealing is stealing no matter how you look at it.

And even though we got the one smart guy who gave an excellent answer you had to requote what I said earlier, hence why I responded, like I'm responding now although I already knew what your response was going to be and I've already got bets with myself on what your next comeback will be. But by all means, if you feel the need to repeat the lie then do so, I won't stop you. I heard that if you say it enough times you actually start to believe it. Carry on.


I'm not justifying anything, and I never said I've illegally downloaded anything, so I don't know where you got THAT from. What I'm telling you is what I'm seeing in my profession and academic career. But I'm sorry if my first hand experiences aren't good enough explanations for you, and you have somehow aquired a twisted view that I am myself defending an illegal activity. I am not, but I am saying that what the music and movie industry is saying is not correct either.

There is a reason it's called Intellectual Property theft, not just theft. There is a difference, which you don't seem to grasp, between physical and digital realms, shame really, but I'm sure you shall reply with some sort reply about how I'm defending the criminals to look like some sort of Rose sellers to the 'criminals'.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.27 06:40:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin


I'm not justifying anything, and I never said I've illegally downloaded anything, so I don't know where you got THAT from. What I'm telling you is what I'm seeing in my profession and academic career. But I'm sorry if my first hand experiences aren't good enough explanations for you, and you have somehow aquired a twisted view that I am myself defending an illegal activity. I am not, but I am saying that what the music and movie industry is saying is not correct either.

There is a reason it's called Intellectual Property theft, not just theft. There is a difference, which you don't seem to grasp, between physical and digital realms, shame really, but I'm sure you shall reply with some sort reply about how I'm defending the criminals to look like some sort of Rose sellers to the 'criminals'.


My response to your response about my response about your response.


mmmm....tit for tat

Onus Mian
Amarr
Kingfisher Industries
Posted - 2009.04.27 06:54:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Xen Gin
There is a reason it's called Intellectual Property theft, not just theft. There is a difference, which you don't seem to grasp, between physical and digital realms, shame really, but I'm sure you shall reply with some sort reply about how I'm defending the criminals to look like some sort of Rose sellers to the 'criminals'.


Theft is theft. No matter how you try and dress it up you're still stealing something that doesn't belong to you. Just because something is in digital form doesn't remove ownership of a product. If that was the case then you can say good bye to all scientific journals and close all R&D labs because they wouldn't be able to run since all their work would instantly becomes public property the moment it was recorded in digital format.


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