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Zyck
Greater Order Of Destruction
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:12:00 - [1]
 

I want one.

"Stronger, faster and harder is the promise of a new exoskeleton developed by Lockheed Martin for U.S. soldiers. Dubbed the Human Universal Load Carrier, or HULC, the device helps a soldier carry up to 200 pounds at a top speed of 10 mph."

Legionos McGuiros
Caldari
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:26:00 - [2]
 

i wonder what HULC sounds like? Laughing i love it already

QuyLe Han
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:28:00 - [3]
 

great another waste of taxpayer money on a useless defense contract.

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: QuyLe Han
great another waste of taxpayer money on a useless defense contract.


Hardly. They're pushing the boundaries, creating new technologies. It's be a waste if they were refining old ones,

Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:34:00 - [5]
 

Besides, it's got more than just purely military applications when you think about it.

Crimsonjade
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:37:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: QuyLe Han
great another waste of taxpayer money on a useless defense contract.

aww its cute, a bunny hugger. and now back to topicLinkage

after doing 48 hr quick moves in my time, i sure as hell wish was available in 1988. portable mule almost. would like to see it run a few 30 miles runs to see how it would stand up in RL action, but doubt its at that stage yet. on the non Military side, this will help alot of people with certian mobility limiting diseases.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:45:00 - [7]
 

I'm still waiting for them to slap some armor of those things so I can play space marine.

I actually came up with a simple design (based from Killdozer) that involves 2 quarter inch (possibly half inch) steel plates with a weak concrete in the middle. The first steel plate slows the velocity of the bullet and the concrete is designed to break and collapse on the bullet afterward. The rear steel plate is a last ditch to stop a higher caliber round plus it holds the concrete into place.

Each section will have 2 pieces that grip onto a section of the exoskeleton and then are power drilled together higher up. Rotating areas like the knees and elbows I haven't fully worked out but the front of the shin armor can be raised up while layered kevlar goes around the exposed joint. The shoulders can have guards attached to the chest/back plate which can increase cover for the helmet although may reduce visibility.

The helmet I thought up would be completely digital (like the M1) so what the soldier see's would be on a small screen produced by a mini cam somewhere on the helm. This obviously has it's set back like if the cam is destroyed or misangled. The only other counter I could think of was was reinforced visor with a built in HUD. The Chest and rear plate would both carry an adjustable rail that the helmet would attach to allowing 45 degree up/down and 180 degree left/right movement. The helmet would also have to have a cable attached to the suit to be powered. It would also have air filtration and a vox and/or thumb pad short range radio.

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.04.07 18:56:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: lofty29 on 07/04/2009 18:55:52
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I actually came up with a simple design (based from Killdozer) that involves 2 quarter inch (possibly half inch) steel plates with a weak concrete in the middle.
It said 200lb not 200tonnes. Razz

Thoma Katch
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2009.04.07 19:01:00 - [9]
 

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It can impede other movements however, but if a soldier comes under fire and needs more flexibility, the HULC can be removed in about 30 seconds.


Only 30 seconds? Yeah, what could happen in 30 seconds...

Eomar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.04.07 21:30:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
I'm still waiting for them to slap some armor of those things so I can play space marine.

I actually came up with a simple design (based from Killdozer) that involves 2 quarter inch (possibly half inch) steel plates with a weak concrete in the middle. The first steel plate slows the velocity of the bullet and the concrete is designed to break and collapse on the bullet afterward. The rear steel plate is a last ditch to stop a higher caliber round plus it holds the concrete into place.

Each section will have 2 pieces that grip onto a section of the exoskeleton and then are power drilled together higher up. Rotating areas like the knees and elbows I haven't fully worked out but the front of the shin armor can be raised up while layered kevlar goes around the exposed joint. The shoulders can have guards attached to the chest/back plate which can increase cover for the helmet although may reduce visibility.




id go for something along the lines of; base layer ballistic nylon weave, second layer ballistic nylon shell, third layer honeycomb ceramic, 4th layer nylon weave again, then a hard shell. lastly would be a small lighter version of the chobham reactive armor,


Its not gonna be light, but certainly not as heavy as steel and concrete, both of which arent great at stopping bullets/shrapnel.

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The helmet I thought up would be completely digital (like the M1) so what the soldier see's would be on a small screen produced by a mini cam somewhere on the helm. This obviously has it's set back like if the cam is destroyed or misangled. The only other counter I could think of was was reinforced visor with a built in HUD. The Chest and rear plate would both carry an adjustable rail that the helmet would attach to allowing 45 degree up/down and 180 degree left/right movement. The helmet would also have to have a cable attached to the suit to be powered. It would also have air filtration and a vox and/or thumb pad short range radio.


Id love a helmet like that, the problem with fully enclosed systems is the massive degradation in visual acuity, that and the restriction of movement, watch any combat soldier in the field, theyre always moving thier heads (least the ones that want to live are) but the loss of vision is the key, the human eye is an incredible bit of kit, capable of picking out amazing detail in all sorts of situations, and the brain is capable of assessing all sorts of mad ****, the way a shadows moving in relation to its background, how far away it is, that tripline thats much closer, that small patch of disturbed earth at 25m with a command wire running off to the side.....

all the visual aids in the world quite often cannot replace the mk1 eyeball.

along those lines tho, rather than sticking a barrier in the way, i had a though of double skinned contact lenses with a nano reciever, essentially lcds, which could be used to overlay limited amounts info like a HUD without affecting normal vision.

compass bearings and points of interest etc could be higlighted passively, and change as the mission evolves, info from passive infrared and so on could be overlaid.

all sorts of cool stuff can be done these days that 10 years ago was total science fiction!!




i'd love to get me a job in R&D playing with some of this cool gear, sadly i chose the 'go and work for a living' instead of 'get a couple of degrees' route. Bah.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.07 21:48:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Eomar

id go for something along the lines of; base layer ballistic nylon weave, second layer ballistic nylon shell, third layer honeycomb ceramic, 4th layer nylon weave again, then a hard shell. lastly would be a small lighter version of the chobham reactive armor,


Its not gonna be light, but certainly not as heavy as steel and concrete, both of which arent great at stopping bullets/shrapnel.


Well I'm not very up to date on lighter ballistic stopping materials. The only reason why I went with the steel plate and cement was because of Killdozer, which did quite well against the local law enforcement small arms but them again he had double the plates and about a foot of concrete. The military actually based many of their construction armor design after that tractor.


Id love a helmet like that, the problem with fully enclosed systems is the massive degradation in visual acuity, that and the restriction of movement, watch any combat soldier in the field, they're always moving their heads (least the ones that want to live are) but the loss of vision is the key, the human eye is an incredible bit of kit, capable of picking out amazing detail in all sorts of situations, and the brain is capable of assessing all sorts of mad ****, the way a shadows moving in relation to its background, how far away it is, that tripline thats much closer, that small patch of disturbed earth at 25m with a command wire running off to the side.....

all the visual aids in the world quite often cannot replace the mk1 eyeball.

along those lines tho, rather than sticking a barrier in the way, i had a though of double skinned contact lenses with a nano reciever, essentially lcds, which could be used to overlay limited amounts info like a HUD without affecting normal vision.

compass bearings and points of interest etc could be higlighted passively, and change as the mission evolves, info from passive infrared and so on could be overlaid.

all sorts of cool stuff can be done these days that 10 years ago was total science fiction!!




i'd love to get me a job in R&D playing with some of this cool gear, sadly i chose the 'go and work for a living' instead of 'get a couple of degrees' route. Bah.


Yeah unfortunately I understand that video interface would limit vision even if you could expand it to a 180 arc within the helmet. The reason I have it as an option at all is so the helmet can be as armored as the body. The smaller dense lense with a HUD though can be a good second as not everybody is a perfect sniper pulling in eye shots every day.

That's why I also mentioned that the large rounded shoulder guards would impair vision as well but the upside may be that shots will hit the shoulder guards first instead of the helm.

Another issue with a video interface as you pointed out would be depth perception although a built in rangefinder may partially alleviate that.

Elora Danzik
Caldari
Idiots In Spaceships
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2009.04.07 21:58:00 - [12]
 

I gues my point would be....

What enemy is this suppose to be used against?

The F-22 was designed to fight an airborne enemy that doesn't exsist now. Thus Gates' recommendation to scrap the project.

Great now soilders can carry 100lbs or more of stuff and not get worn out. Ya know the Britsh during the Revolution carried about 65 - 70 lbs of stuff per man. Yet the Continetails carried about half that. The british lost that war.
Now the US serviceman is expected to carry that same load. Generalization I know!

Lighter, more agile, take only what you need to fight.

30 Seconds hunh..... I've seen Battleships go down in 30 seconds.

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.04.07 22:21:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: QuyLe Han
taxpayer money


No such thing. It's the government's money.

Zyck
Greater Order Of Destruction
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.04.07 22:25:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Elora Danzik
I gues my point would be....

What enemy is this suppose to be used against?

The F-22 was designed to fight an airborne enemy that doesn't exsist now. Thus Gates' recommendation to scrap the project.

Great now soilders can carry 100lbs or more of stuff and not get worn out. Ya know the Britsh during the Revolution carried about 65 - 70 lbs of stuff per man. Yet the Continetails carried about half that. The british lost that war.
Now the US serviceman is expected to carry that same load. Generalization I know!

Lighter, more agile, take only what you need to fight.

30 Seconds hunh..... I've seen Battleships go down in 30 seconds.


I think you're missing the point. The average US soldier already carries up to 80 lbs. of stuff on his back. With an exoskeleton like this, he can now carry that same load, or more, and barely feel it.

TimGascoigne
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.04.07 22:25:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: TimGascoigne on 07/04/2009 22:34:49
I think the military is just one sector that will benefit from this. construction and storage will be greatly improvedVery Happy

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.07 22:44:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 07/04/2009 22:44:54
Originally by: Elora Danzik
I guess my point would be....

What enemy is this suppose to be used against?

The F-22 was designed to fight an airborne enemy that doesn't exist now. Thus Gates' recommendation to scrap the project.


Just makes it an overachiever with its current competition

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Great now soldiers can carry 100lbs or more of stuff and not get worn out. Ya know the British during the Revolution carried about 65 - 70 lbs of stuff per man. Yet the Continentals carried about half that. The British lost that war.


The British also walk side by side in line formation and partisans figured out how to hide in bushes camouflaged. That kinda makes a big difference.
The British did it again in WW1. I can't recall the exact battle but the area was no larger than several football fields. The officers told the British to March, not run, across the field to their position while carrying heavier equipment and the Germans had a field day (no pun intended) with their machineguns. Soon after it was adopted that line formation was no longer a valid tactic.

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Now the US serviceman is expected to carry that same load. Generalization I know!

Lighter, more agile, take only what you need to fight.

30 Seconds hunh..... I've seen Battleships go down in 30 seconds.


A major part of that load is current body armor. I don't know if you've ever held one of those vest but that alone is about 60 lbs.
Rifles can go about 15 lbs and ammo another 10+.
Other accessories may include walkies or even a full field radio, compact stretchers, water, MRI's, visual aid gear (binoculars, night vision), emergency first aid kits, yadda yadda yadda.

Eomar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.04.07 23:23:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Eomar on 07/04/2009 23:24:12
Originally by: Elora Danzik
I gues my point would be....

What enemy is this suppose to be used against?




real world enemies, the ones that need boots on the ground to be dealt with.

Quote:
Lighter, more agile, take only what you need to fight.


err, quick list of kit you might expect to carry on a short op.
roughly in order of importance.

Remembering that living off the land is impossible in a lot of theaters these days. for various reasons.

Rifle, sight system, lighting and ammunition.

Comms system.

First aid kit.

Water.

Food.

Body armor.

Helmet

Nvg kit

Anti vehicle weapon, javelin or similar.

Mine detection equipment

Extra ammo for squad support weapon.

grenades/breaching charges.

entrenching tool.

spare clothes.

Casualties (your own and others)



It all adds up. slows you down meaning you cover less ground are more prone to ambush, and arrive at your destination less ready to fight.



Exo skeletons willundoubtedly improve everyones combat readiness, and mean heavier, more protective armor can be developed, larger more deadly weapons can be used,

engineers will be able to carry greater loads, improving efficiency and allowing them to complete thier tasks quicker, whether that be bridge building, preparing barricades, digging wells, building hospitals.........


More applications than simple straight up face to face combat.

Quote:
30 Seconds hunh..... I've seen Battleships go down in 30 seconds.

you an me both :| always takes longer when its not your own tho....

Thorliaron
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.04.07 23:50:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Thorliaron on 07/04/2009 23:51:21
this still going ahead? i though gates was scrapping everything. Even Aircraft Carriers!

Epegi Givo
Amarr
Department of Redundancy Dpt.
Posted - 2009.04.08 00:15:00 - [19]
 

so... when can we expect to see Nano-suits?

Zarro Starkiler
Caldari
Infernus Hypertech
Posted - 2009.04.08 00:32:00 - [20]
 

The Japanese are making a civilian model (for farming and industrial purposes) that is supposed to run at 30-50 thousand dollars.

Canis Trucido
Posted - 2009.04.08 01:23:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Zarro Starkiler
The Japanese are making a civilian model (for farming and industrial purposes) that is supposed to run at 30-50 thousand dollars.


thats not as much as you'd think.

Thats what? a years wage for a single worker?

if useing one of these suits increases someones productivity by a factor of 2, over a years time you just made your money back twice.

see what i mean?

Izzy Lizzy
Gallente
Alien Gnome Bandits
Posted - 2009.04.08 02:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Originally by: QuyLe Han
taxpayer money

No such thing. It's the government's money.

No such thing. The fruit of all labor belongs to those who work for it. Government only aquires it by force and coercion.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.04.08 05:00:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Izzy Lizzy
Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Originally by: QuyLe Han
taxpayer money

No such thing. It's the government's money.

No such thing. The fruit of all labor belongs to those who work for it. Government only aquires it by force and coercion.


Right, the government gives money to the banks, the banks give money to the companies, and the companies give money to you. In the mean time the government takes money back from you. Where did Doctor Penguin go off the beaten path?

Daelorn
Posted - 2009.04.08 05:08:00 - [24]
 

Maximum armor.

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2009.04.08 06:06:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Izzy Lizzy
Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Originally by: QuyLe Han
taxpayer money

No such thing. It's the government's money.

No such thing. The fruit of all labor belongs to those who work for it. Government only aquires it by force and coercion.


Right, the government gives money to the banks, the banks give money to the companies, and the companies give money to you. In the mean time the government takes money back from you. Where did Doctor Penguin go off the beaten path?
We are the government's employers so.... Our money.

Anyways this is awesome, we had tech like this for a while now but the bane was the battery life, I am happy to hear that they are getting almost one hundred hours of battery life out of them nowadays.

Eomar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.04.08 10:22:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: goodby4u

Anyways this is awesome, we had tech like this for a while now but the bane was the battery life, I am happy to hear that they are getting almost one hundred hours of battery life out of them nowadays.




Im kinda surprised theyre not already using those fuel cells they were on about a while back.




Personally id want my power armor NUCLEAR powered. yeah baby.

let the green lobby get there claws in that one. "boohoo hoo, wind power, wave power, blah blah blah, SUCK ON MY nuclear ENERGY LEG *****ES!"

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2009.04.08 10:36:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Eomar
Originally by: goodby4u

Anyways this is awesome, we had tech like this for a while now but the bane was the battery life, I am happy to hear that they are getting almost one hundred hours of battery life out of them nowadays.




Im kinda surprised theyre not already using those fuel cells they were on about a while back.




Personally id want my power armor NUCLEAR powered. yeah baby.

let the green lobby get there claws in that one. "boohoo hoo, wind power, wave power, blah blah blah, SUCK ON MY nuclear ENERGY LEG *****ES!"


And in the meantime we shall save on our electricity bills because we glow in the dark.

Eomar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.04.08 10:40:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Eomar
Originally by: goodby4u

Anyways this is awesome, we had tech like this for a while now but the bane was the battery life, I am happy to hear that they are getting almost one hundred hours of battery life out of them nowadays.




Im kinda surprised theyre not already using those fuel cells they were on about a while back.




Personally id want my power armor NUCLEAR powered. yeah baby.

let the green lobby get there claws in that one. "boohoo hoo, wind power, wave power, blah blah blah, SUCK ON MY nuclear ENERGY LEG *****ES!"


And in the meantime we shall save on our electricity bills because we glow in the dark.



see! everyone wins.

Noodly Appendage
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2009.04.08 16:31:00 - [29]
 

i'd prefer the one from crysis. lighter, more flexible and wedgie-pulling invisibility

Zyck
Greater Order Of Destruction
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.04.08 17:04:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Eomar
Originally by: Super Whopper
Originally by: Eomar
Originally by: goodby4u

Anyways this is awesome, we had tech like this for a while now but the bane was the battery life, I am happy to hear that they are getting almost one hundred hours of battery life out of them nowadays.




Im kinda surprised theyre not already using those fuel cells they were on about a while back.




Personally id want my power armor NUCLEAR powered. yeah baby.

let the green lobby get there claws in that one. "boohoo hoo, wind power, wave power, blah blah blah, SUCK ON MY nuclear ENERGY LEG *****ES!"


And in the meantime we shall save on our electricity bills because we glow in the dark.



see! everyone wins.


And if the worst should happen you can always die knowing that when you go you'll be taking a small city-sized area with you :D


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