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128th ABC123
Caldari
Lucky Clover Investments
Posted - 2009.03.23 15:43:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 23/03/2009 15:44:29
nvm..


Al'Htaed
Minmatar
Hug Nutz
Posted - 2009.03.23 16:15:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Mo adib
Edited by: Mo adib on 23/03/2009 14:25:55
Edited by: Mo adib on 23/03/2009 14:16:41
Originally by: Al'Htaed
Originally by: Harry Craig2
Originally by: YuKanChu
Goonswarm just reset ED and IRC. This is what you get for deliberately sabotaging our war efforts.


IRC/ED finally getting credit for being sent to Detorid couple of weeks ago to save Darius' infamous titan? Nice.


IRC/ED was also in Delve the first week. Helping with the war efforts. Funny to see Goons are not much different then BoB. Maybe it's something in the water down in Delve.


edit: simplifying post: so the fact that they showed up for a week in delve somehow negates the fact that they are now attacking Goons longest standing ally and diverting forces from an offensive around ROL space to defend space they would rather be ignoring in the far corners of eve..

u sir r right, and thank you for identifying this trend of goon backstabbing so the rest of eve is forwarned...Rolling Eyes


Great logic? or..

So maybe IRC/ED are back stabbers. But how does this make goons look like?

Goons have two choices:
1.) stay the course (lol) and finish Kenzoku off.
2.) get involved backstabbing their allies IRC/ED

This could get interesting should Goons pick a side between two allies and get involved which could potentially undo all they did in delve.

I am stocking up on popcorn.

Rat Bones
Gallente
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.23 16:24:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Easley Thames
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Easley Thames
This is exactly the kind of regional fighting everyone was hoping would occur after the death of BoB and seeing fault lines in the political landscape has renewed my faith in the possibility of Eve politics heading away from mega-coalitions towards a (IMO) more fun series of regional wars without a WWI style escalation.

So what you're saying is that by disbanding BoB goons saved EVE?



There is something tiresome to me about the mega-power-blocs and "alliances of alliances" that I do wish Eve could leave behind.

I felt the possibility of smaller-scale wars and mid-size alliances rising to prominence would be a silver lining in the defeat of BoB. What I really did NOT want to see was the defeat of BoB to result in a unipolar New Eden with all the top powers blue to each other, looking for the occasional upstart to flex their power upon.

That is precisely what is happening now with IRC/ED.



If you really want small gang warfare where you won't be blobbed to hell, go back to empire.


Reverand Pastor
Caldari
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.03.23 16:24:00 - [34]
 

Not everyone is happy with being considered a pet. And not everyones main agenda is to help Goons secure Delve. Border conflicts are great for the game and if more alliances did these things you wouldnt have these giant blobs in Delve helping you secure YOUR space.

Wellbing
Minmatar
Temporal Weapon Against Time
Posted - 2009.03.23 16:26:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Wellbing on 23/03/2009 17:38:28
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Ildryn
Caldari
X Inc.
Posted - 2009.03.23 17:03:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Rikeka
Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.

Basically, our "allies" asked us to put an alliance blue while this guys were given free reins to keep shooting us (even if we had them blue: Yes, as crazy as that!)

Happened what happened.
I may very well be kicked of my corp and IRC for this.
But this is what really happened (I know, cause I was there, and saying this didn't happened, is saying I'm lying... e-honour ftw)






This.

Holy Lowlander
Amarr
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.03.23 17:13:00 - [37]
 

goodluck

Sacrophage Nexus
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.23 17:29:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Sacrophage Nexus on 23/03/2009 17:30:24
Originally by: Wellbing

For crikes sake guys, react on the truth not hearsay and smacktalk.


Truth in internet spaceships is relative to who's saying it and what agenda they have. And the guys at the top ALWAYS have an agenda.

ediieeet: Just sayin'

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.23 17:34:00 - [39]
 

here is how this works

you can shoot ra and skirmish ra and do whatever and we'll be all like "hey man drone regions you know" and shrug and wander off and probably bump into a wall because we clumsy~

you siege c-j6, that most sacred of stations, you get reset, that'd be like sieging s-u if s-u was a place you could siege

hope this helps

Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
Posted - 2009.03.23 17:35:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Rikeka
Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.



So it was ED that set RA red first and attacked blues all of a sudden. Thanks for clearing this up.

Reverand Pastor
Caldari
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.03.23 17:41:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Reverand Pastor on 23/03/2009 17:46:37
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Rikeka
Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.



So it was ED that set RA red first and attacked blues all of a sudden. Thanks for clearing this up.

ED doesnt jump unless IRC says so. Either way there a good group and wish them the best.

Harry Craig2
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.03.23 17:43:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
Originally by: Rikeka
Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.



So it was ED that set RA red first and attacked blues all of a sudden. Thanks for clearing this up.


The plot thickens!

Cybarite
Gallente
YARRRDIES Inc.
Posted - 2009.03.23 18:04:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Cybarite on 23/03/2009 21:17:50

Farham
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.23 19:00:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Farham on 23/03/2009 19:01:48
"Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.

Basically, our "allies" asked us to put an alliance blue while this guys were given free reins to keep shooting us (even if we had them blue: Yes, as crazy as that!)"


Actually, most of that might technically be true in terms of time line but that does not mean that the intent was to force RA to set IRC red. I can post the proof if you like Rikeka we saved a lot of things before we left for just such occasions to make sure people would tell the truth.

Like I said Rikeka, IRC attacking Insmother has been in the works for months. My CEO was asked early in our return to IRC to help plan the assault. Any IRC members ever wonder about that wacky Foundati0n standings thing where they were red but you couldn't shoot their pets or what not? Its because the entire time both sides knew Foundati0n would be set blue for a combined attack in Insmother against RA. They didn't want any major problems. I also don't think there is anything wrong with attacking RA. You want more space? You take it, if you can.

As far as Detorid and helping save Darius's titan? Let me put it this way, if AAA had not screwed the pooch with the station thing IRC was in zero position to help since they moved to Detorid and the objective was to be in Tenerifis. That week turned into a 1 week carebear fest. ED did in fact go to Tenerfis and help like was agreed upon with GOONs.

Delve? IRC had 5 or 6 pilots in Delve most were from my corp(check the killboard). When I wanted to get my corps capitals down to help in Delve I was told...no, way. PL gave temp blue status with the precondition it would be taken away if we were not seen in Delve. It was taken away in less than 5 days.

Regardless of what happens with this conflict I have no major desire to see IRC get squashed. I have a lot of good friends still back in IRC. But I will not allow spin from its leadership. If I see something that is not true, I will correct it. Like I said above, I have a lot of proof on a lot of matters and if it needs posting, it will be.

I say IRC and ED enjoy all your new reds. The best time I had in game was when I was in IRC and we were surrounded by reds.





Haywoode Jablome
Caldari
Wormhole supervisory and Investigation team
Blanket Men
Posted - 2009.03.23 19:53:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Haywoode Jablome on 23/03/2009 19:56:14
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dungar Loghoth View Post
I'd eat my hat if AAA every went blue with BoB. Not that BoB would ever agree anyway.


You ate yet, or is your mouth still full of hat?

Requiescat
Caldari
Red Arsenal
Posted - 2009.03.23 20:31:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Ravin Abai
You don't know who you are messing with. Everybody thinks IRC and ED are so ****ty, but they have loads of skilled pilots and are dedicated pvp alliances.


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Totally Slick
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.03.23 20:53:00 - [47]
 

I have nightmares about ED and IRC every night Confused

Eacham Graeme
Caldari
noXCorp
Session Changes
Posted - 2009.03.23 22:55:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Farham
Edited by: Farham on 23/03/2009 19:01:48
"Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.

Basically, our "allies" asked us to put an alliance blue while this guys were given free reins to keep shooting us (even if we had them blue: Yes, as crazy as that!)"


Actually, most of that might technically be true in terms of time line but that does not mean that the intent was to force RA to set IRC red. I can post the proof if you like Rikeka we saved a lot of things before we left for just such occasions to make sure people would tell the truth.

Like I said Rikeka, IRC attacking Insmother has been in the works for months. My CEO was asked early in our return to IRC to help plan the assault. Any IRC members ever wonder about that wacky Foundati0n standings thing where they were red but you couldn't shoot their pets or what not? Its because the entire time both sides knew Foundati0n would be set blue for a combined attack in Insmother against RA. They didn't want any major problems. I also don't think there is anything wrong with attacking RA. You want more space? You take it, if you can.





RA space has always been a consideration for anyone seeking to expand out of the drone regions. With xDeathx holding the bulk of Drone space, it is the only logical choice. Like most alliances, war planning future actions is only prudent, whether these come to fruition is dependent on timing and circumstance. I do seem to recall a period of time where IRC was given approval to go after that region of space by their "Russian Neighbors". About a day or so after that approval was given, Darius layed down the law with IRC and made it pretty clear that they would view any such action as hostile.

There certainly is more to this particular story than what is currently being released, either publically or privately.


Graalum
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.03.24 03:39:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Graalum on 24/03/2009 04:33:16
hi oldma Cool


edit:

Koroc Nevarine > farham has no reason to be bitter he was paid for his station, and compensated reasonably

Koroc Nevarine > i only did whatever was asked of me

GALAGA > here somthing,, atlas must really hate farhm and them

Saba Quiestador
Minmatar
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.24 04:03:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Rikeka
Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.

Basically, our "allies" asked us to put an alliance blue while this guys were given free reins to keep shooting us (even if we had them blue: Yes, as crazy as that!)

Happened what happened.
I may very well be kicked of my corp and IRC for this.
But this is what really happened (I know, cause I was there, and saying this didn't happened, is saying I'm lying... e-honour ftw)




Unfortunately, what you didn't know was that there was a coordinated campaign by IRC designed specifically to get RA to set IRC red, so that IRC could play the victim. What IRC leadership announced to the grunts was exactly what Rikeka says above. But it isn't even close to what actually happened.


IRC doesn't care what others think. They have already planned for the contingency that xdeath and solar will enter on the side of RA. Their attitude is basically "bring it on!". They think they can handle xdeath and solar, and basically don't give a rat's behind what they think any more. I sure hope they've cleared that with their allies, because they are likely to bring down ED with them if xdeath and solar get ****ed enough at what they are doing, and decide that it is time to squash them like a bug.

Mo adib
Amarr
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.24 04:15:00 - [51]
 

Graalum > tell them i'm coming to save them


Harry Craig2
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.03.24 10:18:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Harry Craig2 on 24/03/2009 10:18:02
Originally by: Saba Quiestador

IRC doesn't care what others think. They have already planned for the contingency that xdeath and solar will enter on the side of RA. Their attitude is basically "bring it on!". They think they can handle xdeath and solar, and basically don't give a rat's behind what they think any more.


You don't need xdeath/solar when you got FDN on your side.
Right?

XJennieX
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.03.24 10:18:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Saba Quiestador
Originally by: Rikeka
Long story short?
Was not IRC that set RA red first.
Was not IRC that attacked blues all of the sudden.

Basically, our "allies" asked us to put an alliance blue while this guys were given free reins to keep shooting us (even if we had them blue: Yes, as crazy as that!)

Happened what happened.
I may very well be kicked of my corp and IRC for this.
But this is what really happened (I know, cause I was there, and saying this didn't happened, is saying I'm lying... e-honour ftw)




Unfortunately, what you didn't know was that there was a coordinated campaign by IRC designed specifically to get RA to set IRC red, so that IRC could play the victim. What IRC leadership announced to the grunts was exactly what Rikeka says above. But it isn't even close to what actually happened.


IRC doesn't care what others think. They have already planned for the contingency that xdeath and solar will enter on the side of RA. Their attitude is basically "bring it on!". They think they can handle xdeath and solar, and basically don't give a rat's behind what they think any more. I sure hope they've cleared that with their allies, because they are likely to bring down ED with them if xdeath and solar get ****ed enough at what they are doing, and decide that it is time to squash them like a bug.


You guys are pathetic and so bitter its hard to believe..

Jackaryas
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.03.24 12:54:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Harry Craig2
Edited by: Harry Craig2 on 24/03/2009 10:18:02
Originally by: Saba Quiestador

IRC doesn't care what others think. They have already planned for the contingency that xdeath and solar will enter on the side of RA. Their attitude is basically "bring it on!". They think they can handle xdeath and solar, and basically don't give a rat's behind what they think any more.


You don't need xdeath/solar when you got FDN on your side.
Right?


SHHH we rule secretly Very Happy

Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2009.03.24 13:36:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Rikeka on 24/03/2009 13:38:54
Saba, I dont think you got it.

I was attacked while being blue. I was told by them that we were blue, but that they didn't cared. They hotdropped on me (only they fly crap ships, so easy to get away) This is no conspiracy, or something along that line now. If this truly was concocted by one of the IRC masterminds, and me and those RA dudes (and all the other incidents that happened those 2 or 3 days) have been dancing at their tune... well... I honestly won't care anymore then, because it means leadership is in good hands. Laughing

TITTS, as I know what I'm saying here is true, for I was there, then what you are trying to tell about blue on blue incidents (only blue we ever shot were BLUEP, and only on specific ocassions, and not all of us) is not exactly true.

All countries come up with plans to face their neighbors, even allies today, one day. EVE is no different. Is IRC being put to blame because they executed theirs?

Personally, I don't care much, for it means more pewpew. As Farham said before, no need of a reason to start a war in this game. Just came to CAOD to straighten the misconception that IRC was the one that shot blues, and that we attacked first (and no, it was no ED either, :D they are just great brosefs)...

Last time I check CAOD, anyway, I like reading it (when there is something worthwhile reading) but hate posting on it (and only do when I feel I personally have to). And for what? In 1 or 2 pages, trolls will troll, and this will be locked, and little by little it will sink further in the CAOD pages... First, to the dreaded 2nd page with all the beaver and bacon threads, on which very few threads survive to resurface back. Then, a few hours later, to the 3rd page, with all the Privateers war announcements. Then to the 4th and 5th page and so on... Just a few days later, it will be right next to ASCN and Lokta Volterra related threads.

Bye CAOD lurkers, bye TITTS, and good luck.

Armadaus Baldwin
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.24 17:15:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Armadaus Baldwin on 24/03/2009 17:20:12
Originally by: Easley Thames
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Easley Thames
This is exactly the kind of regional fighting everyone was hoping would occur after the death of BoB and seeing fault lines in the political landscape has renewed my faith in the possibility of Eve politics heading away from mega-coalitions towards a (IMO) more fun series of regional wars without a WWI style escalation.

So what you're saying is that by disbanding BoB goons saved EVE?




Easley dear, you know as well as I do that RA is no longer a match for anyone. IRC end ED should make quick work of their campaign.

RA is known for shooting blues on the whim of their crazy Russian FCs.

Armadaus Baldwin
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Mo adib
Edited by: Mo adib on 23/03/2009 14:25:55
Edited by: Mo adib on 23/03/2009 14:16:41
Originally by: Al'Htaed
Originally by: Harry Craig2
Originally by: YuKanChu
Goonswarm just reset ED and IRC. This is what you get for deliberately sabotaging our war efforts.


IRC/ED finally getting credit for being sent to Detorid couple of weeks ago to save Darius' infamous titan? Nice.


IRC/ED was also in Delve the first week. Helping with the war efforts. Funny to see Goons are not much different then BoB. Maybe it's something in the water down in Delve.


edit: simplifying post: so the fact that they showed up for a week in delve somehow negates the fact that they are now attacking Goons longest standing ally and diverting forces from an offensive around ROL space to defend space they would rather be ignoring in the far corners of eve..

u sir r right, and thank you for identifying this trend of goon backstabbing so the rest of eve is forwarned...Rolling Eyes


If Goons can't do it on their own, then they shouldn't keep it imo. All their chest beating about beating BOB is nothing more than a bunch of people who dislike BOB more than they dislike goons, coming together to smack them silly AFTER their Sov was removed via a spy.

Well done, you won EVE... or something.

Shardrael
Caldari
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.24 22:33:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Shardrael on 24/03/2009 22:35:53
Originally by: Rikeka
I honestly won't care anymore then, because it means leadership is in good hands. Laughing




Rikeka it is sad to see you so strongly grasp on to denial and that everything will be alright. Having been personally involved in alliance leadership and or the more secretive stuff the alliance does at various levels since its inception I could go on for days about how you have no idea what you are talking about.

However because you are so resigned to hold on to that delusion that comforts you so my breath would be wasted.

To you I have simply this to say: You have made your bed and now it is time to sleep in it.

edit: Regardless titts will be here to make sure that whatever happens IRC does it honestly, If IRC lies to their membership we will correct it, If IRC lies to their allies(the one they have left) we will correct it, If IRC lies to the community at large we will correct it.

We have no problem with IRC going down the path they have chosen, but we will not allow them to lie about what has transpired what is transpiring and what will be to come.YARRRR!!

Saba Quiestador
Minmatar
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.03.24 22:55:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Rikeka

Saba, I dont think you got it.

(stuff)




No, I don't think YOU "got it". How about a little sample from your own forums (yeah, I still have a LOT of friends in IRC...)



Five days ago, Kamikazie posted the following in the IRC forums

Title: Reset by RA

We were rest by RA, good work to the FCs mission acomplished. ALL FCs are to redeploy into 1-IQ ASAP bubble all but the EFM gates with mutliple bubbles. DSKE POS gunners to their tower, AWE gunners get down there aswell. Cyno jam that system ASAP.


And a day before that, there was a detailed post outlining IRCs plans to invade and take Insmother. Oh, and I can confirm (with emails if necessary) that IRC has planned to attack RA since AT LEAST last September. They only held back because Goons said "no". Now that IRC no longer thinks Goons are relevant, they figured the time was ripe.


You can't possibly believe that this was some thing that RA and IRC were happy little buddies, and somehow something "unfortunate" happened to ruin all that. Or if you DO believe that, you are hopelessly naive.

Shardrael
Caldari
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.03.24 23:03:00 - [60]
 

wow we all want our points to be made clearly and true but damn saba that was fast :P

However plz to the IRC still frustrated by the situation(those that have not already evaced to empire with all of their belongings) continue to present us with the bs you are being told, and we will continue to show the truth from the horses mouth.


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