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baltec1
Posted - 2009.05.26 12:53:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: paromaeng
This game will always look terrible as long as there is no <expression of curse words here> anti aliasing.


Bah, our worst is better than every other MMO's best.

paromaeng
Posted - 2009.05.26 12:55:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Nefertiti Akhenaton
Originally by: paromaeng
This game will always look terrible as long as there is no <expression of curse words here> anti aliasing.


you can force AA through your Nvidia or ATI Control panel. You have to turn of HDR to have it work though. There is a way to get both HDR and AA to work together though but there are other threads covering that, just use Eve-Search.


I know about that.

1. This doesn't work for everyone.
2. Should not have to use external applications for this.
3. Lack of dev support means possible glitches, poor performance when using external tools.
4. The devs ought to have the expertise required.
5. What games don't support AA these days?

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2009.05.26 12:56:00 - [33]
 

I wonder how hard it would be to remove the skybox alltogether?

Would it be possible to have galaxies and clouds static at certain locations in the EVE universe that is seen from all systems (that are close enough)?

That would give a feeling about where you are as a cloud seen to the right in amarr space for example could be to the left in minmatar space Very Happy

No more need to mess around with semi transparent skyboxes with low res textures that renders on the wrong level.

Adeline Grey
Posted - 2009.05.26 13:00:00 - [34]
 

You can force HDR & AA with Nhancer.

Nefertiti Akhenaton
Posted - 2009.05.26 13:25:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: paromaeng
Originally by: Nefertiti Akhenaton
Originally by: paromaeng

5. What games don't support AA these days?



I can name a few, Vanguard Saga of Heroes, Mass Effect, Bioshock to name a few. Also most Console games either do not support AA period or supports only a low version such as 2x (If That)

Laarz
Posted - 2009.05.26 14:02:00 - [36]
 

Yes we definitly need new graphics for planets and backgrounds and CCP has stated that they are working on but but refuse to give us a timeframe.

MrChook
THE FINAL STAND
The Final Stand.
Posted - 2009.05.26 14:02:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: paromaeng

3. Lack of dev support means possible glitches, poor performance when using external tools.


Exactly, when I tried this I would get regular CTDs.

Dengen Krastinov
Amarr
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2009.08.15 11:21:00 - [38]
 

The planets do really need an graphical update as well as a rethink of their scale. It's all wrong at the moment.

nomis ekoobmah
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2009.08.16 00:51:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Nefertiti Akhenaton
Originally by: paromaeng
This game will always look terrible as long as there is no <expression of curse words here> anti aliasing.


you can force AA through your Nvidia or ATI Control panel. You have to turn of HDR to have it work though. There is a way to get both HDR and AA to work together though but there are other threads covering that, just use Eve-Search.


You don't need to turn HDR off with ATI HDxxxx cards and Catalyst 9.4 (I think it is) and above, AA + HDR work nicely together.

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.08.16 01:52:00 - [40]
 

DX10 is Vista only. Vista didn't sell. Companies don't develop stuff for non-existing customers. Windows 7 will be shipping with DX11. It's extremely unlikely a DX10 EVE client will be released.

As for your Caldari complaint, learn to appreciate the weird beauty of asymmetry.

Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2009.08.16 02:18:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Messoroz on 16/08/2009 02:19:47
There is no point in EVE using DX10, a few new shader tricks but that would probably require them redoing the shaders which they already did not long ago. Not to mention a major overhaul of their graphics core yet again.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.08.16 02:40:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: 123GuessWho
dx10 is completely unneeded for a game like eve tbh, its not your fancy 3D first person shooter that looks awsome but lacks content that lasts over an hour.


...because its' impossible to have cutting-edge graphics in any game other than a FPS that has no worthwhile content?

Your argument is lacking in content.

While gameplay is more important than graphics, ideally, both would be excellent. While Eve mostly looks good, there is still plenty of room for improved graphics and will be until photorealism is achieved.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.08.16 02:43:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Vista didn't sell.


20 million copies in the first month is considered "not selling"? Since when?

Washell Olivaw
Posted - 2009.08.17 10:28:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Vista didn't sell.


20 million copies in the first month is considered "not selling"? Since when?


Read the whole article, XP sold 17 million units first month in a market half the size. Vista should have sold 34 million to get the same popularity. Second, 12 to 15 million of those sales were included with hardware. It's well known a lot of those sales are downgraded to XP. Especially in corporations. So while Vista may have sold 20 million units in the first month, the actual number of Vista systems still running from that month will be much lower.

Anyway, the numbers speak for themselves, ~24% vista vs ~64% XP. As a developer, what you develop for XP/DX9 will give you 88% potential market. What you develop for DX10 a 24% potential market. It really is a no-brainer. Given that PC's are usually written off in 3 years and Vista is nearing it's third birthday, the numbers really should have been reversed. At least, if you want to say it sold.

hired goon
Posted - 2009.08.17 10:47:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Adeline Grey
You can attempt to force HDR & AA with Nhancer.


Fixd

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.08.17 10:52:00 - [46]
 

Planets will be updated during the planetary interaction update.

The videos devs use is a special client running at 5000x res something and shrunk down to fit our screens, a cheaters way of antiaisling similar to what the xbox 360 does where as the ps3 tries to do it the hard way and still has jaggies. Also there is apperanlty another engine in work to make eve look what we saw in the last 10 seconds of emperyan age trailer, we may not see this for a while but they are showcasing it every chance they get, every fan fest dvd and allaince tornament is littered with these ultra cool scenes.

CCP Tuxford

Posted - 2009.08.17 11:19:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Crayton Raven

5. The designer of caldari ships and stations should be shot. Ships like raven and few others are so horrid i would not like to fly them, i mean geometry not textures.


Read this again and think about what this statement tells us about you. I'm not joking or jesting here, you are seriously saying that because you don't like the style of certain ships and stations that the designer, freakishly talented designer, should be shot.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.17 11:28:00 - [48]
 

I for one like Caldari designs, tho I am not fond of the Amarr/Gallente ones (they are good, mind you, tho they just don't do it for me) :P.

But some do not appreciate the niceness of functionality, and the fact that this is space (no friction here, so no need for aerodynamic designes), so why bother with eye candy designes on your machine of death? :)

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.08.17 11:34:00 - [49]
 

And after all this graphics discussion, at the end of the day, I would be completely and forever pacified if I could only have client-native anti-aliasing...!

(Obviously, the external method does not work for me.)

Maitscho Long
Posted - 2009.08.17 11:45:00 - [50]
 

Maybe you should activate your monitor first!
or take a time mashine back to 2003 then you will appriciate the new graphics!

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2009.08.17 11:51:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Originally by: Crayton Raven

5. The designer of caldari ships and stations should be shot. Ships like raven and few others are so horrid i would not like to fly them, i mean geometry not textures.


Read this again and think about what this statement tells us about you. I'm not joking or jesting here, you are seriously saying that because you don't like the style of certain ships and stations that the designer, freakishly talented designer, should be shot.


so now ccp starts to act mature and seriouse? what happend..
He is just stating its horrid. which in fact hes right..

master chiefy
Caldari
The Perfect Storm
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2009.08.17 11:57:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Originally by: Crayton Raven

5. The designer of caldari ships and stations should be shot. Ships like raven and few others are so horrid i would not like to fly them, i mean geometry not textures.


Read this again and think about what this statement tells us about you. I'm not joking or jesting here, you are seriously saying that because you don't like the style of certain ships and stations that the designer, freakishly talented designer, should be shot.


ugh totally missed his point, however obvious he made it.

game definitely needs an upgrade. And for those saying a lot of people don't have the required hardware, that's fine, that's why they let people choose low medium and high.

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.08.17 12:03:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Originally by: Crayton Raven

5. The designer of caldari ships and stations should be shot. Ships like raven and few others are so horrid i would not like to fly them, i mean geometry not textures.


Read this again and think about what this statement tells us about you. I'm not joking or jesting here, you are seriously saying that because you don't like the style of certain ships and stations that the designer, freakishly talented designer, should be shot.


He was being unfair, really they are quite nice, it's just the caldari cruisers that are all ugly, even the caracal could've done with being tweaked, feels too thin and spindly.

I don't know why he thinks the textures are fine though, caldari paintjobs are crap except for Kaalakiota.

Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.08.17 12:06:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Ak''athra J''ador on 17/08/2009 12:18:05
im a Embarassednooob

SecHaul
Posted - 2009.08.17 12:10:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: SecHaul on 17/08/2009 12:10:43
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador

omg hax?!?! Shocked

sorry I don't have the time to add the real eve textures (as this took only 5 minutes to make)

might do it later :)



You probably want to correct those links, unless you really want everyone to be able to scroll through all your uploaded photos. Some fairly funny BRUCE photo's.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.08.17 12:16:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Originally by: Crayton Raven

5. The designer of caldari ships and stations should be shot. Ships like raven and few others are so horrid i would not like to fly them, i mean geometry not textures.


Read this again and think about what this statement tells us about you. I'm not joking or jesting here, you are seriously saying that because you don't like the style of certain ships and stations that the designer, freakishly talented designer, should be shot.


He was being unfair, really they are quite nice, it's just the caldari cruisers that are all ugly, even the caracal could've done with being tweaked, feels too thin and spindly.

I don't know why he thinks the textures are fine though, caldari paintjobs are crap except for Kaalakiota.


No, the cruisers are fine, I like the designs a lot. Caracal may seem fragile, but its a shiled tanker, no need for lots of armor plates ;). Moa/Blackbird got pretty sweet designs as well.

As for "paint jobs", the regular blue is ok, the ishukone is ok (tho why use camo in space?), the black one is nice.

I think the textures on the raven needs more details tho. But Rokh is very nice.

I really do not get why some dislike Caldari designs. Really, I don't. :S

Maby its just my engineering nature :P

luminous russula
Posted - 2009.08.17 12:19:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: luminous russula on 17/08/2009 12:19:29
alt post :(

Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.08.17 12:20:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: SecHaul
Edited by: SecHaul on 17/08/2009 12:10:43
Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador

omg hax?!?! Shocked

sorry I don't have the time to add the real eve textures (as this took only 5 minutes to make)

might do it later :)



You probably want to correct those links, unless you really want everyone to be able to scroll through all your uploaded photos. Some fairly funny BRUCE photo's.


thak you, im a newb.

hope you liked the photos Very Happy

Tiny Tove
Posted - 2009.08.17 12:23:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Originally by: Crayton Raven

5. The designer of caldari ships and stations should be shot. Ships like raven and few others are so horrid i would not like to fly them, i mean geometry not textures.


Read this again and think about what this statement tells us about you. I'm not joking or jesting here, you are seriously saying that because you don't like the style of certain ships and stations that the designer, freakishly talented designer, should be shot.


They introduced a by-law in 2003 in Yorkshire that states that "Any person, may shoot, with intent to kill or to cripple, any graphics artist who considers that he knows more than another person on any subject, and conveys that notion verbally instead of doing as he's ****ing told."

Actually I made that up. But if I was on Jury Service, and a guy killed a graphics artist on my watch, I'd definitely be in the Not Guilty camp at the beginning of the trial. But then again I've only met 8, and they have all been absolute ****s. Maybe I just need to meet more of them.

One of them is STILL on a popular internet dating site after SIX years, and you only need to read her profile to figure out why. Christ.... they're such awful people.

Xyfu
Minmatar
Love From Above
Posted - 2009.09.30 15:44:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Daedalus II
I wonder how hard it would be to remove the skybox alltogether?

Would it be possible to have galaxies and clouds static at certain locations in the EVE universe that is seen from all systems (that are close enough)?

That would give a feeling about where you are as a cloud seen to the right in amarr space for example could be to the left in minmatar space Very Happy

No more need to mess around with semi transparent skyboxes with low res textures that renders on the wrong level.
Take a moment and think about what you just said.


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