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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:20:00 - [1]
 

Ok this has been posed before (Astrometrics Capital Ships) ..

.. but please .. doesn't this wormhole stuff suggest the need for such a beast even more?

Currently the CovOps ships (which have astrometric bonus), have no combat capability.

Perhaps the Black Ops ships can be given an astrometrics bonus, or someone can resurrect some of the Astrometric Capital Ship threads that have graced these forums in the past.

But lets face it .. heading into W-space strongly suggests the need for something along these lines, it seems to me.

Anyone agree/disagree?

John Hollow
Minmatar
Afterisk
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:22:00 - [2]
 

I think having a weaker ship with the bonus promotes teamwork. If you solo it, you miss out on the bonus, so it's not as easy to do without friends.
Also, in the pvp aspect it's nice to know people can't hunt you down as easy without a weaker ship on their team.

Tahm Cruise
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:22:00 - [3]
 

Go see the event horizon if u want astrometric cap ships.

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:26:00 - [4]
 

I know something far better, a probing, mining, Titanesque uber capital frag ship with epic railguns and Swords of the Dead +8!

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:32:00 - [5]
 

Having no interest in capital ships, I don't really care. What I do care about is a capital-class vessel that is both combat capable, AND good for exploration.

As you've pointed out yourself, the exploration ships have no combat ability. They are scout ships, first and foremost. Each serves a very crucial role.

I'm glad that the smaller, less combat-efficient ships require a gang to get anything done. Solo pwnage needs to be discouraged, honestly.

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.12 15:36:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Super Whopper
I know something far better, a probing, mining, Titanesque uber capital frag ship with epic railguns and Swords of the Dead +8!


Now your talking!

Shocked

Aeris Bad'ia
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:03:00 - [7]
 

orca, cloak, probe launcher, remote armor rep/gas harvester,
mid tank, and a cargo expander and a dcu2 in the lows,

viola'

Dragonwell
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:10:00 - [8]
 

I don't know about an Astro capital just yet, but something in the cruiser or battleship range might be useful. I've tossed around ideas for a true dedicated indus trial gang boat (as opposed to the Orca's split job of hauler / gang bonus) in the form of what's basically a CS but with mining oriented bonuses. Something put out by ORE, say.

Now what about another fine ORE product that instead gives bonuses to astrometric modules, scan times, and the like?Perhaps this on top of mining bonuses and the like for any adventurous mining ops in W space.

Or if you want to avoid yet another addition to EVE's already extensive ship repetoire, then how about a dedicated astrometric gang link module for battlecruisers?

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:42:00 - [9]
 

Force Recon.

Nuff said.

--Isaac

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dragonwell
Or if you want to avoid yet another addition to EVE's already extensive ship repetoire, then how about a dedicated astrometric gang link module for battlecruisers?


Interesting idea .. actually ..

Von Krieg
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:51:00 - [11]
 

How about instead of replacing the covert-ops ships it could be something to do with wormholes. i.e. stablises them for a short time or allows more mass through them or an extended period of opening with an ability to see where they go?

Covert-ops ships don't have combat capability because they're making niche ships to fill roles instead of all-purpose ships. A larger ship that can do what covert-ops and a battleship can do will make other ships redundant. Just sick a probe launcher on a capital ship, it'll just take you a little longer to probe out sites/WH's.

Cyonidicus
Posted - 2009.03.12 16:57:00 - [12]
 

/orca

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:15:00 - [13]
 

I want a black battlecruiser, based off the Harbinger model, that is capable of warping while cloaked, dropping cyno's, and has an astrometrics, hacking and archeology bonus.

I think I'd hurt myself in glee if that happened.

Cmdr Greg
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:38:00 - [14]
 

I think something similar has been mentioned before but how about:
Sisters of EVE cap ship similar to orca
high 3
Med 4
low 2
Cargo 10000
Corp 10000
Ship bay 400000
5% scan strength bonus per level (cant make it better than cov ops)
1 lab me/pe/copy per level (cos its a SOE cap ship)

Glengrant
Beyond Limited
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:45:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ruze
I want a black battlecruiser, based off the Harbinger model, that is capable of warping while cloaked, dropping cyno's, and has an astrometrics, hacking and archeology bonus.

I think I'd hurt myself in glee if that happened.


Yeah and damage bonus and 99% base resists and speed bonus and ...
/sarcasm off

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:46:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Glengrant
Originally by: Ruze
I want a black battlecruiser, based off the Harbinger model, that is capable of warping while cloaked, dropping cyno's, and has an astrometrics, hacking and archeology bonus.

I think I'd hurt myself in glee if that happened.


Yeah and damage bonus and 99% base resists and speed bonus and ...
/sarcasm off



I didn't say that at all. Puttin' words in my mouth.

Mos Superum
Gallente
Child Head Injury and Laceration Doctors
Posted - 2009.03.12 17:47:00 - [17]
 

I thought the consensus was that WH space would cut out some of the isk farmers. Seems like some of you want to help 'em with things like, oh, say, this exploration cap ship. Rolling Eyes

Mos

syndic4te
Amarr
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:01:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Tahm Cruise
Go see the event horizon if u want astrometric cap ships.


D00D DAT **** WUZ KWAZIE

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mos Superum
I thought the consensus was that WH space would cut out some of the isk farmers. Seems like some of you want to help 'em with things like, oh, say, this exploration cap ship. Rolling Eyes

Mos


ISK farmers are going to be ISK farmers not matter what tools they have available to them. You shouldn't think like that though .. because doing so could mean the end of progress.

Don't invent cars b/c people could die in car crashes.

My point was that there are two ways you can approach W-Space.
  1. Two-Way Voyage: Jump into W-Space, monitor the entrance/exit, jump out when done

  2. One-Way Voyage: Jump into W-Space and keep going, until ammo and probes are gone, chaining from system to system, coming out when you may


Between those two options the second seems like more fun. Most people are engaged in the first however.

Q. What would you need for an extended voyage in W-space?
A. Astrometric and Combat sufficiency.

This is what suggests, IMO, an astrometrics cap-ship.

Raneru
Combat and Recon
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:04:00 - [20]
 

We need less cap ships not more. Boost the Black ops instead.

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:07:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Raneru
We need less cap ships not more. Boost the Black ops instead.


Agreed - that is an option for sure.

I've heard CCP is looking at giving it, its own fuelbay, but certainly I makes a certain amount of sense to suggest giving it astrometrics capabilities too.

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:09:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Eventy One
Originally by: Mos Superum
I thought the consensus was that WH space would cut out some of the isk farmers. Seems like some of you want to help 'em with things like, oh, say, this exploration cap ship. Rolling Eyes

Mos


ISK farmers are going to be ISK farmers not matter what tools they have available to them. You shouldn't think like that though .. because doing so could mean the end of progress.

Don't invent cars b/c people could die in car crashes.

My point was that there are two ways you can approach W-Space.
  1. Two-Way Voyage: Jump into W-Space, monitor the entrance/exit, jump out when done

  2. One-Way Voyage: Jump into W-Space and keep going, until ammo and probes are gone, chaining from system to system, coming out when you may


Between those two options the second seems like more fun. Most people are engaged in the first however.

Q. What would you need for an extended voyage in W-space?
A. Astrometric and Combat sufficiency.

This is what suggests, IMO, an astrometrics cap-ship.


Astrometrics BS, based on Tier 3 models, could also do this for most, without making the need for a gang useless.

But of course, Marauders seem to be PERFECTLY suited for what you ask already. Long, extended stays. Full firepower, but with the slot capability to hold those probe launchers, salvagers, etc. Extra cargohold.

Armoured Gamer
Gallente
Legion of EVE
The ENTITY.
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:10:00 - [23]
 

only problem with having a astormetrics captial ship that it is a CAPTIAL ship, most of these wormholes are small and so might not fit them in

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:30:00 - [24]
 

Its true .. Cap implies really large - which doesn't work with the wormholes.

So far, I like the idea of changing the Black Ops so they have increased astrometrics capability, a separate fuel bay, and other supporting ideas.

I think giving a BlackOps astrometrics features, would not only un-nerf the ship, but make it exactly useful for W-space.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:44:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 12/03/2009 18:54:50
Yeah, we need a 'scientific vessel' ship. Maybe Sisters of Eve could release their own ship line.Very Happy

I'd like something with bonuses to astrometrics, hacking, archaeology, and the ability to support a small fleet in w-space with logistics (both the carrying stuff type and the repair type), but not much in the way of combat capability. It probably wouldn't need turret slots, for instance.

EDIT: A fitting service and ship maintenance array would be nice. I'm thinking something similar to the orca, but exploration-focused instead of mining-focused.

Armoured Gamer
Gallente
Legion of EVE
The ENTITY.
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:45:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
Yeah, we need a 'scientific vessel' ship. Maybe Sisters of Eve could release their own ship line.Very Happy

I'd like something with bonuses to astrometrics, hacking, archaeology, and the ability to support a small fleet in w-space with logistics (both the carrying stuff type and the repair type), but not much in the way of combat capability. It probably wouldn't need turret slots, for instance.


i second this maybe with in space ship fitting and little cargo space but large ship bay

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:52:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 12/03/2009 18:53:53
Whoops, double-post.Sad

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:53:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 12/03/2009 18:53:32
Whoops double-post.Sad

Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Mordus Angels
Posted - 2009.03.12 18:54:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Kyra Felann
Originally by: Kyra Felann
Yeah, we need a 'scientific vessel' ship. Maybe Sisters of Eve could release their own ship line.Very Happy

I'd like something with bonuses to astrometrics, hacking, archaeology, and the ability to support a small fleet in w-space with logistics (both the carrying stuff type and the repair type), but not much in the way of combat capability. It probably wouldn't need turret slots, for instance.


A fitting service and ship maintenance array would be nice. I'm thinking something similar to the orca, but exploration-focused instead of mining-focused.


The orca is a good size actually for such a ship. Someone has already posted suggesting an orca, and if there were astrometric command modules it would be good. I think the Orca is still a bit too mining focus though which is why I favour something with an astrometrics flavour.

Still, consider the suggested orca fit above .. with astrometric command modules (at least two) in the high slots .. not a bad idea.


 

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