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Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.03.06 05:56:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Karrade Krise on 06/03/2009 06:07:19

Overpowered T3? Only if you min/max as far as I've seen. Expensive fit, I had max gang bonuses plus ganglink bonus, max skills, (exception of Caldari Defensive Subsystem at 4) on the Tengu. Note the damage taken...

I tanked all this over a period of about hour or more. Took a few newcomers to break me on sisi. *edit* just wanted to note that I stopped moving for about the last 15-20 minutes...so I was taking full damage there for a good while.

3Small NosII
2MediumNosII

6LSEIIs Invul FieldII, Photon FieldII

6 SPR IIs

3FieldPurgerIIs

2009.03.06 05:39:00

Victim: Karrade Krise
Corp: Galatic P0RN Starz
Destroyed: Tengu
System: FD-MLJ
Security: 0.0
Damage Taken: 1842361

Involved parties:

Name:
Ship: Thanatos
Weapon: Templar
Damage Done: 289548

Name: Ship: Megathron
Weapon: Ogre I
Damage Done: 215913

Name:
Ship: Loki
Weapon: Warrior II
Damage Done: 213558

Name:
Ship: Abaddon
Weapon: Abaddon
Damage Done: 168717

Name:
Ship: Myrmidon
Weapon: Infiltrator II
Damage Done: 138518

Name:
Ship: Typhoon
Weapon: 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
Damage Done: 134340

Name:Ship: Unknown
Weapon: Hobgoblin II
Damage Done: 120037

Name:
Ship: Legion
Weapon: Acolyte II
Damage Done: 116570

Name:
Ship: Phoenix
Weapon: Thor Torpedo I
Damage Done: 86234

Name:
Ship: Sleipnir
Weapon: Warrior II
Damage Done: 74223

Name:
Ship: Legion
Weapon: Hammerhead I
Damage Done: 62858

Name:
Ship: Unknown
Weapon: 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon
Damage Done: 62615

Name: Ship: Proteus
Weapon: Hyperion
Damage Done: 47925

Name:
Ship: Rorqual
Weapon: Hammerhead II
Damage Done: 25590

Name:
Ship: Unknown
Weapon: Absolution
Damage Done: 23513

Name:
Ship: Megathron
Weapon: Hyperion
Damage Done: 22916

Name: Ship: Proteus
Weapon: Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Damage Done: 19181

Name:
Ship: Unknown
Weapon: Cruise Missile Launcher II
Damage Done: 6735

Name:
Ship: Ishtar
Weapon: Ogre I
Damage Done: 5857

Name: (laid the final blow)
Ship: Hel
Weapon: Einherji
Damage Done: 3946

Name:
Weapon: Punisher
Damage Done: 3567

Name:
Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II

Rifter Drifter
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.03.06 06:08:00 - [2]
 

informative.

fake edit: sorry wrong thread.

Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.03.06 06:14:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Rifter Drifter
informative.

fake edit: sorry wrong thread.


I just got trolled by Rifter Drifter! Cool

/Karrade is in the cool club now

ryujiwarui
Posted - 2009.03.06 08:29:00 - [4]
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvsC5wX0LRY

"its over a million"

Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
Posted - 2009.03.06 09:10:00 - [5]
 

A Caldari ship through and through. I look forward to seeing this setup repeated endlessly on battleclinic.

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2009.03.06 09:38:00 - [6]
 

Yes the Trengu has a godlike tank, sadly (from my POV) this is tempered by what seems to be a somewhat lackluster damage (think drake)

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.03.06 09:56:00 - [7]
 

Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with. Wink

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2009.03.06 11:29:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Zeba
Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with. Wink
DO NOT WANT

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.03.06 13:29:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Originally by: Zeba
Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with. Wink
DO NOT WANT


Passive tanks they can pull are insane :D I imagine they are gonna get gimped shield recharge rate.

Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.03.06 13:38:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Xindi Kraid
Originally by: Zeba
Too bad the crazy tanks for the t3 ships are getting nerfed accourding to both a bh and dev I chatted with. Wink
DO NOT WANT


Passive tanks they can pull are insane :D I imagine they are gonna get gimped shield recharge rate.


I imagine that too. I know it needs it....yet I really don't want it gimped...I like my Solo-"Kill your support and lol at your so-called 'DPS' and keep stabbing you in the face until it stops being funny"-pwnmobile

achoura
Posted - 2009.03.06 13:43:00 - [11]
 

So you can fit your ship to tank a carp tone of damage while doing sweet fa in offence or tackle. Funny, i thought the whole point of t3 was to fit for specific situations just like that, it cant perform like tii considering the price tag. When you add up the time, effort and resources needed to gatehr that salvage, prints and gass, react them at a pos and build each of those sub systems costs about the same isk as a hac.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.03.06 13:44:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Karrade Krise
I imagine that too. I know it needs it....yet I really don't want it gimped...I like my Solo-"Kill your support and lol at your so-called 'DPS' and keep stabbing you in the face until it stops being funny"-pwnmobile



Call it what you want, I think t3 ships atm make the ultimate bait.

Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.03.06 14:09:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Karrade Krise on 06/03/2009 14:10:13
Originally by: achoura
So you can fit your ship to tank a carp tone of damage while doing sweet fa in offence or tackle. Funny, i thought the whole point of t3 was to fit for specific situations just like that, it cant perform like tii considering the price tag. When you add up the time, effort and resources needed to gatehr that salvage, prints and gass, react them at a pos and build each of those sub systems costs about the same isk as a hac.


Er...Your post seemed kinda jumpy so I might be reading it wrong...

Are you...Ok yea I'm confuzzled. You say the ship was meant to just tank a crapload of damage...which I stated it does and doesn't do much else...Then in your second sentence you say "I thought the whole point of T3 was to fit for specific situations"

Now as far as the pricing. CCP has said that they "intend for the goal of prices to be close to that of T2" They also said they don't know what the final pricing will look at. However they do have leeway into how much material drops from the NPC and such, so they do somewhat have a little bit of power of prices, even if it's somewhat indirect.

So...what exactly is the point of your post? The setup I posted is going to be ridiculously expensive? Yes...I believe I said that...so...ugh

Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Karrade Krise
I imagine that too. I know it needs it....yet I really don't want it gimped...I like my Solo-"Kill your support and lol at your so-called 'DPS' and keep stabbing you in the face until it stops being funny"-pwnmobile



Call it what you want, I think t3 ships atm make the ultimate bait.


Agreed. Ultimate is an understatement tbh :P

z0de
The Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2009.03.06 15:19:00 - [14]
 

Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?

Renarla
Posted - 2009.03.06 15:29:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: z0de
Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?


Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.

Anubis Hatak
No Trademark
Posted - 2009.03.06 15:52:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Renarla
Originally by: z0de
Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?


Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.


If you don't dock/leave system, all the damage you took while undocked adds up on the kill mail. All that damage could have been done in over 10 different fights not just the 1.

z0de
The Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2009.03.06 15:58:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Renarla
Originally by: z0de
Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?


Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.


Yes, over an hour. I doubt they were all their the whole time shooting. My inclination is to think he tanked the Thanatos + some support for a a long time then the Phoenix + Hel came and finished him rather quickly. Now tanking a carrier in a cruiser is still impressive but I would like some more infomation is all.

Karl Kahn
Browncoat Coalition
Posted - 2009.03.06 16:14:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
Name:
Ship: Unknown
Weapon: 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon
Damage Done: 62615

Name: Ship: Proteus
Weapon: Hyperion
Damage Done: 47925


Name:
Ship: Rorqual
Weapon: Hammerhead II
Damage Done: 25590

Name:
Ship: Unknown
Weapon: Absolution
Damage Done: 23513



I want that mf'er.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2009.03.06 16:14:00 - [19]
 

hey, you refit it at some point, because i remember you had my paladin tackled for a while :P

Cool tank bro

Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.03.06 16:17:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: z0de
Originally by: Renarla
Originally by: z0de
Damage taken is a worthless mesure of an active tank, if they can't break you the number will just going up. How many ships were on you went down, what sort of dps were they doing?


Er, did you even look at the first post? He posted the KM, which has all of the people who were attacking him on there.


Yes, over an hour. I doubt they were all their the whole time shooting. My inclination is to think he tanked the Thanatos + some support for a a long time then the Phoenix + Hel came and finished him rather quickly. Now tanking a carrier in a cruiser is still impressive but I would like some more infomation is all.


Tanking a carrier in a cruiser is quite easy to do... Especially when the carrier is using fighters.

I hope they don't nerf T3, if someone were to take something like that out in space, sure they may survive a lot, but the consequences of dieing in it is SP, and it'd make a SWEEEEET prize if they ejected.YARRRR!!

Renarla
Posted - 2009.03.06 16:36:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Karl Kahn
Quote:
Name:
Ship: Unknown
Weapon: 800mm Heavy Prototype I Repeating Siege Cannon
Damage Done: 62615

Name: Ship: Proteus
Weapon: Hyperion
Damage Done: 47925


Name:
Ship: Rorqual
Weapon: Hammerhead II
Damage Done: 25590

Name:
Ship: Unknown
Weapon: Absolution
Damage Done: 23513



I want that mf'er.


Laughing
FIRE THE BATTLESHIPS!
You mean cannons?
No, throw the ****ing ships at them!

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.06 16:42:00 - [22]
 

Sure, it can tank, but its still a fail fit :)

No tackle, no propulsion, no damage.


Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2009.03.06 17:37:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Sure, it can tank, but its still a fail fit :)

No tackle, no propulsion, no damage.





same as most carebear drake's then

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2009.03.06 17:49:00 - [24]
 

Would you mind posting the shield HP, resists, and recharge time? I'd like to see what sorts of DPS that thing is actually capable of tanking ^_^

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.06 18:02:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 06/03/2009 18:02:38
Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Sure, it can tank, but its still a fail fit :)

No tackle, no propulsion, no damage.





same as most carebear drake's then


Exactly, just as useless, tho carbears usually sport at least one BCU :P.

Fit the Drake for PvP however, thats win.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2009.03.06 18:09:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 06/03/2009 18:11:58
So it's a Block of Shields that dosen't do anything but tank?

Just save it til last. Razz

Quote:
I hope they don't nerf T3, if someone were to take something like that out in space, sure they may survive a lot, but the consequences of dieing in it is SP, and it'd make a SWEEEEET prize if they ejected.YARRRR!!


I doubt it, most people will probably not train beyond level 4 so at most will lose a day's worth of training. I doubt people will be losing these things enough for that to really matter... Razz

Baron Agamemnon
Caldari
The Einherji
Supernova Federation
Posted - 2009.03.06 18:30:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 06/03/2009 18:11:58
So it's a Block of Shields that dosen't do anything but tank?

Just save it til last. Razz

Quote:
I hope they don't nerf T3, if someone were to take something like that out in space, sure they may survive a lot, but the consequences of dieing in it is SP, and it'd make a SWEEEEET prize if they ejected.YARRRR!!


I doubt it, most people will probably not train beyond level 4 so at most will lose a day's worth of training. I doubt people will be losing these things enough for that to really matter... Razz


Agreed. I lost a few Tengues on Sisi, and neglecting to eject I lost 15 hours of training, bo biggie :).

HAM Tengu tho seems very nice, I made one that easily outclasses my HAM Drake :). More dps, more tank, faster, better sensor strenght, able to fit a probe launcher, and even a target painter on some versions.

I posted some pic of the verion I took to w-space in general.

I look forward to this, even tho it will be expancive. :P

But I am sure of one thing, I will not make a lol super tank fit that is useless ^^. Whats the point? So you can stay outside station and show your passive tank?

Kusum Fawn
Posted - 2009.03.06 19:10:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Kusum Fawn on 06/03/2009 19:11:21
its the suprise insane fit, you know some players will try to kill that ship and that ship only for a bit, and you can never really tell whether its a carebear fit or a real pvp fit, or the fit like that, so in the time that it takes to realize that its a giant tank, your corp/gang mates can kill them pretty fast, as the primary is going to tank their entire fleet.

Quote:

Name:
Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II



disembodied ac?

Brian Kith
Elite Underworld Special Forces
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2009.03.06 20:52:00 - [29]
 

Another Drake-like ship in the Caldari stable is not really all that interesting to me as a PvPer. Everybody knows a Drake can tank, but no matter what you do with it, a Drake is gonna be sorta "meh" DPS.

Now, the real trick would be if through proper subsystem selection you could turn a Tengu into a "WTFOMGPWNBBQDPS" mobile in a mid sized box that the Caldari currently lack. If a properly configured Tengu can do that, then you've added some depth and decision making to a PvP engagement.

"Is that a tanked Tengu or an ass beater in sheeps clothing?"

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2009.03.06 21:34:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov

Tanking a carrier in a cruiser is quite easy to do... Especially when the carrier is using fighters.



I'm afraid you're wrong on that one. With 6 LSE IIs he's getting an extra 150 m sig radius. A fighter's guns are a mere 125 m. Also, with no propulsion mods and being caldari, he's not going very fast, and he said that he stopped moving after a while to take full damage.

It looks like he'd have to have been tanking at the very least 2k DPS, probably more, but I suppose we won't know for sure until he posts the numbers.


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