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Krennel Darius
Caldari
EON Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.04.05 18:49:00 - [421]
 

Edited by: Krennel Darius on 05/04/2010 20:08:18
So I was playing with a fit for my Hawk, and no matter what I did I couldn't get it to break 130 dps, unless I added faction gear that cost 150x more than the ship is worth. Even then, I still couldn't break 135. The Vengeance however is ok on DPS with 176, but of course you can't armor tank or put anything in the mid slots. But if you do want to armor tank or put anything in the mid slots, good luck breaking 110 dps.

If you could CCP, please enlighten me on how you consider this balanced with all of the other assault ships that do 170-220 dps?


Off topic: So how do you guys think we're gonna keep this thread alive now that we're trolls for trying to get CCP to fix something that obviously needs fixed?

Edit: Page 15 and still no fix. Woot!

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.04.05 21:42:00 - [422]
 

Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 07/04/2010 16:15:58
Yeah honestly this is well beyond a joke now.
Their claim that there is no time for it would be somewhat credible... if not for the fact they fixed one number on the Vindicator shortly before that patch was implemented.

They can do that to one rarely flown faction ship, but they can't tweak 2 numbers fixing/buffing dozens of lackluster ships in the process. Oh well, forcing people to cross train = balance amirite?

It would even be mitigated somewhat if they hadn't knowingly built entire ships around using rockets.
Even the Hookbill which was reworked very recently is obviously built to use rockets as shown by the fact the grid/CPU they gave it are too **** to mount a proper standard missile fit.

Then there's this promise that it'll come with the AF buffs. Why? Why does a tweak to 2 numbers need to come with a complete rework of an entire ship type? All that does is put an increasingly vague time on it, and make it so much more complicated than it has to be.
To add to sheer wallbanging fail of this, out of the 11 ships which have rockets as their primary weapon in the list on page 14: only 2 are actually assault frigates.
I mean WTF is next? A buff to rails at the same time as an Amarr rework?

[/rant]

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.04.07 16:15:00 - [423]
 

bump Evil or Very Mad

Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.04.08 13:17:00 - [424]
 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
only 2 are actually assault frigates.[/rant]
It would make sense for them to buff rockets prior to the AF changes, so they can refine their balance first. Not that I expect that to happen.

I started playing this game about 3 months prior to QR. Back then in the nano age, rockets were fine. They were the first t2 weapon I trained for. Completed training about 2 weeks before QR came out, never got to use them in pvp before they got nerfed. You can imagine how peeved I was. One of the things that appealed to me about EVE was the fact that it had been around for so long, I figured the designers must have a fair understanding of game balance *queue laughter*.

For the most part I think the game is better now than it was when I started, but glaringly obvious balance issues, like the current state of rockets does add a serious WTF factor when you consider how long it's taking them to fix it. Rockets aren't as completely useless as people seem to think they are, but afterburners and drones can be a problem for them. Both low DPS and travel time are weaknesses, the fact that they require a web (or two) to be usable makes them a little too situational.

Blafam
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.04.09 04:02:00 - [425]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
So... SiSiPi. You boosted Titans (300ish in EVE), Motherships (2000?), Vindicator (1000?). And Rockets which can be used by tens thousand ships (maleds, vengs, heretics, hawks, crows and supplementary weapon systems on many other frig sized hulls) are still crap. Maybe we should start dropping random propositions like "boost rocked damage by 200% and their range to 40km" in hopes we get at least 1/4 of it?

Seriously fix them. Rockets have been broken much longer than all those ships above and need WAY more help yet they are being ignored.


Rockets have been broken before those ships even existed, lol.

Anah Karah
Drama Llamas
Posted - 2010.04.09 07:17:00 - [426]
 

i wonder how long this thread will need to be before something is done about it?
Most people who have posted in here will probably stuck in supercarriers before anything actually gets done about it... supercarriers without missile hardpoints for the beautiful newly revamped rockets :(

ohwell...

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.10 22:24:00 - [427]
 

Hi CCP. You forgot to fix rockets.

Curandil Masoole
Nova Security Systems
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.04.11 18:16:00 - [428]
 

Please fix rockets so i can fly my super sexy Vengeance with confidence CCP

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2010.04.12 16:02:00 - [429]
 

OMG OMG.. they DID NOT FIXED ROCKETS TODAY!!!


(ok each day someone repeat that please.. until it becomes a lie)

Krennel Darius
Caldari
EON Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.04.12 23:14:00 - [430]
 

Edited by: Krennel Darius on 12/04/2010 23:28:48
Originally by: Anah Karah
i wonder how long this thread will need to be before something is done about it?
Most people who have posted in here will probably stuck in supercarriers before anything actually gets done about it... supercarriers without missile hardpoints for the beautiful newly revamped rockets :(

ohwell...


I can already fly a supercarrier, and rockets were not fixed for the entire year I trained for them, and the 3 years before that.

Edit: OMG OMG.. they DID NOT FIXED ROCKETS TODAY!!!

Needed to be said twice on the first day of the trend

jaimelespepito
Posted - 2010.04.13 06:32:00 - [431]
 

OMG OMG.. they DID NOT FIXED ROCKETS TODAY!!!

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.04.13 17:16:00 - [432]
 

Boost rockets, please! I need to be able to solo Slashers in my Condor.

Kurunto
Nictus Astartes
Posted - 2010.04.13 22:10:00 - [433]
 

OMG OMG.. they DID NOT FIXED ROCKETS TODAY!!!

Cpt Jagermeister
United Systems Navy
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.04.14 06:46:00 - [434]
 

I wonder what takes longer, fixing rockets or posting this.... I still think ccp is trolling us with this. I predict the rifter will be turned into a drone boat before this gets taken care of. No seriously **** rockets lets make the rifter a drone boat, it does seem like a more likely possibility at this point.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.14 09:34:00 - [435]
 

Well CCP is fixing HUGE ISSUE WITH GAME right now. Deep safes. Stuff that is used more-less by same amount of people that fly vindicators. But rockets... naah, who cares about one of most widespread weapon system in game.

Caroline Nikon
Posted - 2010.04.14 10:58:00 - [436]
 

OMG OMG.. they DID NOT FIXED ROCKETS TODAY!!!

Tamahra
Gallente
Apina.
United Pod Service
Posted - 2010.04.14 18:01:00 - [437]
 

did they fix the suckets already? Neutral

Assegai Developments
Posted - 2010.04.14 19:11:00 - [438]
 

honestly...... why such a long thread on rockets? i mean no small weapons are really good enough to be called anywhere near serious damage. it's not like if these are buffed a little that everyone will switch from their cruisers, BCs, BS and HACs to little frigates with measly damage.

Krennel Darius
Caldari
EON Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2010.04.14 19:23:00 - [439]
 

Originally by: Assegai Developments
honestly...... why such a long thread on rockets? i mean no small weapons are really good enough to be called anywhere near serious damage. it's not like if these are buffed a little that everyone will switch from their cruisers, BCs, BS and HACs to little frigates with measly damage.


Its more for the fact that its a broken weapon. No, not everyone uses them, nor will anyone hop off the gun/larger ship bandwagon to use da rockets, but those of us that do use them would like them to be fixed so we can use them more effectively. And as the masterful Duchess Starbuckington has pointed out multiple times, rockets can be used on, and affect a couple dozen ships. So, to have a weapon that can be used on so many ships and is nevertheless still broken after a year, and hundreds of players petitioning to have them fixed, is downright criminal.

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.04.14 21:34:00 - [440]
 

Quote:
honestly...... why such a long thread on rockets? i mean no small weapons are really good enough to be called anywhere near serious damage. it's not like if these are buffed a little that everyone will switch from their cruisers, BCs, BS and HACs to little frigates with measly damage.


I'm sorry, who said anything about making HAC pilots fly frigates? If anything it's about making frigate pilots fly more frigates. It's a buff to diversity: plain and simple. The Hawk and the Harpy should be different but equal, not one vastly and hilariously superior to the other. The choice of interceptor for Caldari should not be "cross train". The Amarr should not have a choice of "fit the vengeance with guns" and "fly a 1 mid AF". The list goes on and on.

Would I be writing posts directly ranting at CCP and bumping this back to page 1 if it was a difficult fix to do? Of course not: but it is.
It's an incredibly easy weapon to sort out that would have a far reaching impact on ship diversity: and yet it is completely ignored for vaguer and vaguer reasons (if any are given at all). For why those reasons are complete fail, read up on this page.

C Melindy
Canucks Hockey Stick Research and Development
Posted - 2010.04.14 21:42:00 - [441]
 

OMG OMG.. they DID NOT FIXED ROCKETS TODAY!!!

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.04.14 21:47:00 - [442]
 

Originally by: Assegai Developments
honestly...... why such a long thread on rockets? i mean no small weapons are really good enough to be called anywhere near serious damage. it's not like if these are buffed a little that everyone will switch from their cruisers, BCs, BS and HACs to little frigates with measly damage.


What you mean "cruiser"? What is that?
And if 200-300 DPS is "measly", well, what to say about battleships?

Number 17
Caldari
COLD-Wing
Posted - 2010.04.14 23:47:00 - [443]
 

As i said countless times, at least increase the charge load on launchers, NOW.

Its ridiculous having to reload in mid combat once on a ceptor (it takes about 200 rockets in a dual dmg rig fitted malediction to kill a ranis, 40x3= 120... 1 reload), and about 3 times in a hawk to kill another AF, 3 times!!! thats 30 seconds you are not shooting.

ROCKETS LAUNCHERS NEED THEIR LOAD INCREASED TO 80 CHARGES at least !!!!
by god, small AC and Hybrids carry up to 200 charges.

Do this now, and worry about the cruiser explo velocity on rockets later.

Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2010.04.15 00:15:00 - [444]
 

Oh now you've done it. They'll increase the capacity to 400 and walk away saying "job done".

Henri Rearden
Gallente
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2010.04.15 00:24:00 - [445]
 

Just checking to see if they've fixed... eh, crap, rockets still suck. I watched the keynote from FF2009 last week and thought maybe the less new stuff/more fixes part of the "Excellence" theme might include rockets. I suppose I might be pessimistic... maybe they're going to readjust assault frigates in Tyrannis when they introduce T3 frigates, and rockets will be fixed along with them. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Very Happy

Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2010.04.15 01:33:00 - [446]
 

OMG OMG.. they DID NOT FIXED ROCKETS TODAY!!!

Meeko Atari
Posted - 2010.04.15 02:00:00 - [447]
 

I have accepted that rockets and assault frigs will never be fixed :(

Zar Terra
Posted - 2010.04.15 02:40:00 - [448]
 

Fixed yet? ....wait, no.
Still suck.


Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2010.04.15 07:52:00 - [449]
 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Oh now you've done it. They'll increase the capacity to 400 and walk away saying "job done".


According to CCPs "fixing by small steps" it will be 10%. You will need to wait 1,5 year for next step.

And why this doesnt surprise me at ALL? Remember - it took them over 2 years to fix sacrilege.

Warezmy Carr
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.04.15 16:15:00 - [450]
 

*hopes* I can has fixed rockets?

*checks reality* No, I can not has fixed rockets. Crying or Very sad

C'mon CCP. Some of my favorite ships in the game are rocket-armed ... or they would be if rockets did decent damage to small moving targets.

Weren't rockets designed to be mounted on frigate-size ships and used against frigate-size ships? As it is now, I have to mount two Flare Catalyst rigs on my Maledictions to get even close to the base damage rockets should be doing. Hell, the single autocannon I have mounted as a supplementary weapon system often does more damage than the three rocket launchers...

That's not just bad, CCP. That's terrible. Fix it!


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