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Element 22
Gallente
Posted - 2009.02.21 04:49:00 - [1]
 

[Wolf, Burning ISK]
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Shadow Serpentis 1MN Afterburner

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Small Nosferatu II

Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Projectile Ambit Extension I

Get's 1160 m/s with a 4.1s align time. With Barrage I would be able to reach out and touch at 10km (1 optimal+8.5 fall off) and still hit with a TD so I *think* I have a Jaguar beat in almost everyway. They can't outdistance me beause I hit harder then they do at 10 km with more health and I could keep my own with most AB Jaguars I beleive.

My 3 worries are MWD frigates, Intercepters and Light Drones. Any suggestions for the first two and could I pop the later with 200's or would I have to go back down to 150's?

Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.02.21 04:54:00 - [2]
 

4x 280mm arty

1x t2 SB
1x best named SB

3x gyro
1x speed mod

2x falloff rigs

2400 scan res or something, can hit 75% accuracy @ 20km with Rep Fleet EMP.

That's my gate camping toy.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.02.21 06:02:00 - [3]
 

Better add MWD cruisers with over 15km range to the list. A 1500m/s cruiser will kite you, so your transversal will be zero, and your paper tank won't last long.

Mrs Altimcaltalt
Posted - 2009.02.21 06:14:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Better add MWD cruisers with over 15km range to the list. A 1500m/s cruiser will kite you, so your transversal will be zero, and your paper tank won't last long.


yeah but for a crusier to go 1500m/s its using a mwd... hes got a scram on which will turn off the crusiers mwd...

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2009.02.21 06:17:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Mrs Altimcaltalt
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Better add MWD cruisers with over 15km range to the list. A 1500m/s cruiser will kite you, so your transversal will be zero, and your paper tank won't last long.


yeah but for a crusier to go 1500m/s its using a mwd... hes got a scram on which will turn off the crusiers mwd...

If the wolf doesn't land *in scram range,* and the cruiser is faster at all times, how do you propose the wolf scrams him?

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2009.02.21 06:39:00 - [6]
 

Goes the other direction. Wait for MWD cruiser to chase and reverse course. A cruiser with an MWD running doesn't exactly stop on a dime.

Element 22
Gallente
Posted - 2009.02.21 06:44:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Better add MWD cruisers with over 15km range to the list. A 1500m/s cruiser will kite you, so your transversal will be zero, and your paper tank won't last long.


Fair enough, but that's a problem all AB AFs share. If I stick a MWD on it I can hit almost 3 km/s which is nice except my sig goes to almost 200m which is bigger then a ABing frigate and the Wolf doesn't have the tank or agility to deal with that. If I was going to do that I might as well fly a interceptor.

One of the great things about being in a AF vs a Cruiser is my align time and signiture size allow me to warp in, make a quick judgement call on viability and warp out if it's not my cup of tea.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2009.02.21 08:37:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: AKULA UrQuan
Goes the other direction. Wait for MWD cruiser to chase and reverse course. A cruiser with an MWD running doesn't exactly stop on a dime.


Ok, so you might escape. Isn't it kind of a problem if your only option for survival is to immediately run away?

Oh, and you don't have time to screw around with trying to exploit the cruiser's lower agility. A well-skilled cruiser or HAC will rip apart an AF in seconds if the AF pilot lets his transversal drop, and that's exactly what you're going to do if you try that "MWD away and change directions" trick.

Originally by: Element 22
Fair enough, but that's a problem all AB AFs share. If I stick a MWD on it I can hit almost 3 km/s which is nice except my sig goes to almost 200m which is bigger then a ABing frigate and the Wolf doesn't have the tank or agility to deal with that. If I was going to do that I might as well fly a interceptor.


Yes, you are very right about that: AB AFs all share that problem, and it's one of the reasons why they all suck. You are also right that the MWD Wolf isn't all that great, and it's one of the reasons why the Jaguar is a far better ship.

Quote:
One of the great things about being in a AF vs a Cruiser is my align time and signiture size allow me to warp in, make a quick judgement call on viability and warp out if it's not my cup of tea.


You should know that from your directional scanner before you even hit the warp button.

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2009.02.21 10:09:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 21/02/2009 10:17:21
mah not that hard to make a nice wolf fit:

2 gyros
400mm rolled tungsten
named dcu

named mwd
named scrambler

4x 125mm II
offline heat sink

dmg rigs

faction ammo and overheat is your friend.

btw talking @crap about fights vs cruiser. any cruiser that has a counter fit will shred you. all it he needs to kill you are ecm drones or missiles like the caracal or start the fight from 30k away Wink and this applies to all AS

Galliana Foresta
Gallente
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
Posted - 2009.02.21 10:20:00 - [10]
 

In before Merin AB hate poast.

Oh. Sad

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2009.02.21 10:22:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: AKULA UrQuan
Goes the other direction. Wait for MWD cruiser to chase and reverse course. A cruiser with an MWD running doesn't exactly stop on a dime.


Ok, so you might escape. Isn't it kind of a problem if your only option for survival is to immediately run away?

Oh, and you don't have time to screw around with trying to exploit the cruiser's lower agility. A well-skilled cruiser or HAC will rip apart an AF in seconds if the AF pilot lets his transversal drop, and that's exactly what you're going to do if you try that "MWD away and change directions" trick.


Use an oblique angle on the double-back aproach. It'll work well enough with an AB fit when done right.

I do agree that a well fit and piloted HAC would consider it a light snack. Still, that wolf will be the bane of many a caracal and crapfit HACs.

Adaera
Posted - 2009.02.21 11:24:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Adaera on 21/02/2009 11:25:27
Just do what I do, every time you think of slapping an AB on just bring this simple sentence to mind:

There are battlecruisers that can outrun you

I instantly gave up on the AB Harpy setup I was playing about with when a friends hurricane was beating me by a good 500m/s.

De Guantanamo
Posted - 2009.02.21 14:00:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Adaera
Edited by: Adaera on 21/02/2009 11:25:27
Just do what I do, every time you think of slapping an AB on just bring this simple sentence to mind:

There are battlecruisers that can outrun you

I instantly gave up on the AB Harpy setup I was playing about with when a friends hurricane was beating me by a good 500m/s.


NANOCANE FTW

To mare
Amarr
Advanced Technology
Posted - 2009.02.21 15:52:00 - [14]
 

what i use

Damage Control II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Magnetic Plating II
Gyrostabilizer II

1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II,Republic Fleet EMP S
1x heat sink

Projectile Burst Aerator I
Projectile Collision Accelerator I



9500 effective hp
2200 m/s
220 dps

cruiser weapon wont hit you even with MWD off
AF with AB+ scram can be hard but you will have enough tank/gank to outlast them (even at 9km u still deal some good dps with barrage).

Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.02.21 17:03:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 21/02/2009 17:05:01
Who are these people that are putting tanks on frigates?


What do you anticipate you'll come up against? What do you think you'll be able to tank? What do you think you'll need a buffer tank for?

Are you soloing? Are you aware that its next to impossible to solo ratting bs/bc's in an af. That you have to be outside of web range in the least. Even then, small drones are going to **** you active, passive, buffer, or nothing.

If you're in a gang, then I assure you that you'll be the LAST target selected....that is unless ofc you're in a gang of frigates, which means you'll be targeted first because you're the slowest/highest dps out of the group AND you'll still melt in seconds against the combined DPS of even a small gang.

Pretty much the ONLY situation where a tank on a frig means squat is dueling other frigates. Good luck getting that anymore.

EFT tards quoting effective hp...pfft

EDIT: DUeling other firgates and T1 cruisers. So I guess you can mess **** up when all the newbs flood into low sec to start ratting the 500k BS's in m10.

Mezikk
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2009.02.21 17:12:00 - [16]
 

I prefer jag but my current wolf is
[Wolf, 5]
Internal Force Field Array I
Overdrive Injector System II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket

Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Projectile Burst Aerator I


lacks a point =(

VJ Maverick
Splinter Cell Alfa
Posted - 2009.02.22 19:35:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: VJ Maverick on 22/02/2009 19:37:29
Originally by: Element 22
so I *think* I have a Jaguar beat in almost everyway.



My Jaguar setup goes 1.3km/s (1.5 with heat), has over 9K EHP, ~170 DPS, and a web. I will tank you and kill you or I will run away.

UMEE
Perkone
Posted - 2009.02.22 20:27:00 - [18]
 

i dont understand why people are trying to argue for this setup, it's the dumbest **** ive ever seen. nano with an AB...wtf? either fit an AB and a monster tank, or fit an mwd, 150's and a decent tank.


Myrkala
Minmatar
Rebel Inc
Posted - 2009.02.22 23:59:00 - [19]
 

[Wolf, QR Wolf]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II

Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Faint Warp Disruptor I

200mm AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
//HEATSINK
150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II

Projectile Burst Aerator I
Projectile Collision Accelerator I


Use Barrage and Faction EMP/Fusion/PP, sprinkle with damage implants, this thing can do amazing things.

You can put an AB+SCRAM instead of MWD+Disrupter too.


 

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