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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.03.24 18:24:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 10/04/2011 22:16:19


Do you like the smell of alloyed tritanium bars? Do you like cruising space, picking up salvage (and maybe loot), listening to the sweet sound of missionrunners' whining in local like an old man trying to get you off his lawn? If so, ninjasalvaging very well may be for you.


Background

Ninja salvaging, as you might already know, is the act of probing down hisec mission runners and salvaging the wrecks they leave behind. As you can imagine, this ****es off a lot of missionrunners and as such has lead to a lot of delicious tears on these very forums.

However, it is a very profitable venture, and fun as well.


Skills you need/want

-Astrometrics. Will determine the number of probes you can use. Astrometrics II will technically work, but the more probes available, the more ways you can use the scanning system to find those MRs. I don't normally use more than 5, and you can use 3 + your astrometrics level in probes...so, basically, just train it up to 2 + however many probes above 5 you want (if any)

-Astrometric Pinpointing - Reduces scan deviation. Not going to bore you with details, but it helps. Train this unless you like hits disappearing.

Astrometric rangefinding- 10% increased scan strength per level. This will allow you to get better hits and scan down sites faster-highly recommended

-Astrometric Acquisition. Lowers your scan time by 1 second per level. Doesn't seem like much, but it's useful.

-Salvaging. Requires Survey III. Level I will work, but 3-4 makes for faster salvaging. V is even better, and allows t2 salvagers.

Remember, however, that you only totally -need- Astrometrics I (II is better) and Salvaging, incase you're new and worried about where to drop your SP.


Ships


First, you want a scanship. The best scanship is a covert ops frigate, due to the 10% decreased scan time per level of covert ops. However, if you can't use those, just use a tech 1 astrometrics frigate (Imicus, Probe, etc.). They have a scan time bonus of 5% per level of racial frigate.

Then, slap a couple Gravity Capacitor Rigs on it (dirt cheap, even newbies can afford easily). Again, not 100% necessary, but very useful as it decreases your scan time.

Then, you need a salvage ship. This is not a destroyer. You can't use tractor beams, so don't bother trying.

What you want it something fast, something that can zip around from wreck to wreck, salvage, and move on. You may need cargo capacity/survivability if you want to loot and/or bait the missionrunner, again will be discussed later. I recommend a vigil with ab (and a MWD too if possible) with agility mods.

Salvage tackle rigs can help, but are expensive so weigh the cost vs the benefit. Don't do it until you can learn to pay attention and GTFO if you get aggro

If looting, you may want to consider using a salvage cruiser, or tractoring a jetcan around with you.

Finding A System



Since Apocrypha, the importance of having a place with a LOT of runners has been diminished. However, an area with a lot of regular runners can give you a choice of the most profitable missions to ninja. Find an area with a good population and some high-quality level IV missions. If you go to the system and see a good amount of large wrecks and player battleships on a max-range 360 degree d-scan from the inner planets, you've found a home.

Right now, Sansha and Bloods (mostly Amarr space) grant the best salvage, followed by Angels (Mostly Minmatar space), then Serpentis and, lastly, Guristas...For the pirate factions. Empire faction wrecks give circuts and nothing more, making them a bit worse than even the Guristas. However, empire factions have good tags if you feel like going for the loot.

Rogue drones give poor salvage, but, like Empire factions, great loot. Ninjalooting drone wrecks is like bounty ninjaing. "Mission generic" wrecks are iff

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.03.24 18:24:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 14/06/2010 20:23:18


Scanning
Read this first.

It will explain the new probing system, albeit that specific guide relates to finding exploration sites. For those of you who have issues with ninjaing, I put together a video guide showing me probing down someone in a mission system.

Watch.

(Note: I used to have my own scanning video linked here. However, I'm crap at making them and so I figured I'd just link a better one instead. Credit goes to Paul Clavet, an Honorless Internet Jerk)


In the Mission

Get your salvage ship and...well, start salvaging. Go for the large/medium wrecks first, you -may- even decide to pass by the small wrecks completely as their salvage is "meh". Make sure you avoid NPC aggro

Looting will allow the MR and his corp to shoot at you. Depending on whether you're okay with this, you may or may not want to do this. Some intrepid individuals like to get the missionrunner to shoot them so they can come back in a gankship. With that in mind,

Ganking

You can skip over this section if you're not interested in pewpewing the missionrunner. However, if you are, read on.

The mechanics are simple enough. As said before, loot -> Get him to shoot you -> come back and PEWPEW him. But doing it properly is another matter.

As for the type of ship: most PVP battleships will do. A Curse is also good, as are many HACs or even some BCs. Missionships are poorly outfitted for PVP and thus aren't too hard to deal with.

Make sure you fit an afterburner, and ideally, get thermodynamics. Being able to overheat your warp disruptor (for 28K scram range) and your afterburner (to get in range faster) is very useful. Make sure to stop overheating them, however, or they will crap out.

Consider fitting a couple heavy neuts if you can. Missionships depend on a cap-stable active tank. Nothing dumps on this better than some neuting.


Bounty Ninjaing

Yes, it's true. Ninjas are so ninja (yes it's a noun AND an adjective) that they can take bounties as well. This is best done in a duo or a group, so you can get the salvage, the bounties, and maybe even the loot.

Fit a ship for high-alpha and good range. For example, a mael with 8x 1400mm artilleries and 4 gyrostabilizers can give you some very nice alpha.

For the rest of the slots, fit a good passive/buffer tank and light drones. If something goes wrong (You get epic aggro), you should be able to last long enough to warp out...the drones will let you kill any scramming frigs.

Basically, just target whatever the missionrunner targets. When the target ship gets low enough, fire and get the final blow in-the bounty is yours. Don't shoot the rats otherwise, however! Then the missionrunner may get the final blow..and then you're just helping him run the mission faster.


Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.03.24 18:29:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 10/04/2011 02:33:43


Advanced Probing

The directional scanner is an excellent tool for when just finding some random missionrunner in a hub isn't enough.

I'm not going to go over the basics, it's pretty simple and self-explanatory after you play with it for a bit. This guide explains it in the context of lowsec piracy, but it's worth a read if you're unsure how to use it at all. It's an INCREDIBLE tool.

The d-scan is a bit less important since Apocrypha, but is still a nice tool. Most importantly, it lets you know what exactly you're going for before you go for it.

If you just drop probes, you know that there is SOME SHIP out SOMEWHERE in the general vicinity of the hit you get, most likely in a mission. With the directional scanner, you can narrow down the general area just as well as with probes (And thus allow you to start off with smaller-ranged probes), AND it will tell you what type of ship they're flying. You can even see what type of rats he's fighting, which is great if you're ninjaing for profit and want to scan down the absolute most profitable missions.

Open up the ingame notepad and enter in the AU/KM translations...that is, note that 1 AU = 150 mil KM, 4 AU = 600 mil, etc. It maxes out around 14.355 AUs so go up to 2,100,000,000 = 14 AU.

From there, use your knowledge of where the MR is in space to position your probes and eliminate erroneous hits.

This can allow you to be more precise in your ninjaing if you're looking for a specific target. This can be very nice if you've "befriended" a specific missionrunner. Jot down his ship's name, find on d-scan and get to work!


When Missionrunners Fight Back

Once in awhile a missioner will think they're clever and try to stop you. The following is a partial list of what they do and how I deal with it.

-They pop wrecks. Not too much you can do here, he's hoping you'll leave. Just stay around and force him to pop all the wrecks. You wont make much, but this will **** him off and sometimes he'll just stop and realizing that having the loot is better than having nothing at all. Warping off when they do this just teaches missioners they can get rid of you easily, which is NOT something you want. Ideally, they'll feel it's futile to even try because you wont be leaving either way.

-Warp off. Not hard to deal with. Either go off and ninja another mission while you wait for him to come back, or just sit in a nearby bookmark and use the directional scanner to see when he comes back.

-Has an alt salvaging. Just beat the alt to the good wrecks. Either use your fast salvage ship to get to the good (The large) wrecks fast, or just circle around the guy and ninja the wrecks just before they come into his salvage/loot range. If you have good ship-piloting skills (And I mean player skills, not skillpoints), then you can easily grab anything before he can. This is even easier if you fit salvage tackles and/or Salvager IIs

-Cry in local or convo. Try to keep your composure. I know that missionrunner insults are absolutely heartbreaking, but tough ninjas are able to weather the verbal abuse and keep on going Laughing


Public Channel

Suddenly Ninjas hosts a public chat channel for ninjasalvagers to swap advice, stories, and just general discussion. Just click on the chat channel button in the top right of any chat window (looks like a speech bubble) and join "Ninja Dojo"

Polyvalent
Posted - 2008.03.24 19:49:00 - [4]
 

Very cool, Kahega. Thanks for the info.

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2008.03.24 20:29:00 - [5]
 

Very nice guide, pretty much covers all the basics. For my salvage boat i use a thorax, its fast enough even with 3 tackle rigs, decent armor, and enough cargo to take in the largest wrecks(160m3)

Fitting:

4x Salvager I
1x Small tractor beam I
.......
10mn AB II
10mn MWD II
Large peroxide capacitor cell I
.......
2x Overdrive injector II
3X interia stab II
......
3x Salvage tackle I

Just two pieces of advice to add:

1)be sure to fit inertia stabs to your scanning ship, quite often you will find yourself warping in on NPCs and you need a quick getaway.

2) I recommend fitting 1 tractor to your salvage boat, not to tractor wrecks but to carry a can along behind you and fill it with metal scraps.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2008.03.24 20:30:00 - [6]
 

Salvage aside, this is an well-written guide for all probers out there.

nice work.

goober nuts
Posted - 2008.03.24 21:35:00 - [7]
 

i tend to use a vexor with 50m3 of drones to kill scrammers if i get caught and the other 50 if they leave drones... i also put in a dc

Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
Posted - 2008.03.25 02:07:00 - [8]
 

i recomend a crusader(inty) or a retribution(af) for ninja salvageing. i dont do it often but it works like this. the crusader is fast even with only an ab and got 4 highs to salvage with, it also got lots of lows for expanders.
the retribution got a godlike tank for a frig so it wont insta pop if you some how manages to get aggro...

another great ship for ninja salvagieing is the stabber...

catheleen
Posted - 2008.03.25 14:07:00 - [9]
 

Great guide, thanks alot!

You got an idea on how much ISK per Hour this can earn in high sec?

Laughing

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2008.03.26 04:05:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Myshella Drake on 26/03/2008 06:32:47

It largely depends on how lucky you are in your take. Roughly guessing, i can get anything from 5-15 mil (often the former) a run selling it straight to the market. A run is usually about an hour and a half (including probing times),sometimes less. However thats assuming you already have the probe BMs set up, you know exactly what your doing and have a decent speed setup. Its possibly more profitable in other races mission hubs, i only work in the motsu area currently.

---Edit---

Heres what i picked up on todays run, its a fairly bad take. The straight market value was 4.4 mil :( I could have doubled the take when i found a full room of republic fleet wrecks but i asked the dude sitting in the middle and he kindly said no :( Moral of the story, if your an aggressive Ninja salvager then you will get more profit, at the expense of your rep AND every other ninja salvager i should add Wink...

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.03.26 05:00:00 - [11]
 

Dunno, I tend to get a bit more in Dodixie. I've gotten 1 alloyed trit bars inside of a few minutes before.

Gabriel Aaron
Amarr
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2008.03.26 07:45:00 - [12]
 

You're better off just salvaging Battleship wrecks. All the other wrecks kind of suck.

Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
Posted - 2008.03.26 09:56:00 - [13]
 

All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.

Iced Earth
Caldari
Goat Riders
Posted - 2008.03.26 10:13:00 - [14]
 

Much more fun being a jackass then creating your own wrecks.Cool

Sigul Siento
Posted - 2008.03.26 10:21:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Sigul Siento on 26/03/2008 10:24:47
Originally by: Gabriel Aaron
You're better off just salvaging Battleship wrecks. All the other wrecks kind of suck.


Once you've found a nice field, there's little point in leaving any wrecks behind. Since you're already there and all.

And Polly, it's not just about getting the most ISK/hour Wink

And stick around if you think you see an irrational/ebay'd missionrunner, that might attack you and get blown up by CONCORD. I've gotten some very nice stuff that way. Also, some missionrunners actually manage to get killed by the mission rats. Keep an eye out for that and you might net yourself both faction mods and T2-salvage.

Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
Posted - 2008.03.26 16:53:00 - [16]
 

Nice guide, although wreck theft is a bit annoying I find it funny how emo people get on the subject instead of just moving to another less-populated system, I had 1 wreck thief show up in my last mission on the last day i missioned in dodixie, ninja looters + the lag makes playing in those systems moronic, so more power to ya!

If you dont like it, move systems.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.03.26 16:59:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 26/03/2008 17:02:46

Quote:
All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.


Ninjasalvaging is a great source of carebear tears, which 0.0 alliances use to fuel their POSes.

As to ISK/Hour: I tend to get a lot. I find that I can usually track down individual sites very quickly, so it's usually not worth my time to run around going for all the frig wrecks.

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2008.03.26 18:12:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.


Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob?

Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
Posted - 2008.03.26 23:40:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.


Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob?


I know this is just a game and all, and the anonymity that 'teh internets' makes being a jackass extremely tempting, but there's so many options in Eve on what you can do for enjoyment and satisfaction. You may think it's not the case, but how you get your kicks in-game is a direct reflection of what you're like in real life (or at least, what you'd like to be like in real life if there weren't bigger, badder people inclined to show you the error of your ways were you to act that way in real life).

Now, some people choose to be peaceful and carebear and don't really get in anyone's way. Others choose to go live out in 0.0 and shoot at each other, where the challenge is real and any killing/greifing is generally an accepted way of life. Then there's low-sec pirates who, for the most part aren't too bad since after all, they are in low-sec, so if they gank you it's mostly your own fault.

And then there's lowlife losers who do crap like can flipping, suicide-ganking and stealing other peoples salvage knowing full well that there's not much the victim can do about it (for the record I've never been a victim of any of these activities, so sorry, no 'carebear tears' from me (I figured I wasn't being cool unless I included 'carebear tears' in my post since all the cool kids are)). Now I know, these are all well within the rules of the game. I'm not arguing against that. But at the end of the day, you know that there's another person on the other end who you're directly impacting by your lame choice of entertainment and self-gratification. Rather than putting any attempt into actually going out and challenging yourself, you'd rather take the easy route and just pick on the easy targets and then pat yourselves on the back at a job well done.

Each to his own I guess. Some people just aspire to be at the bottom of the barrel since it's so easy to achieve.

Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.03.27 00:41:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz


I know this is just a game and all...


Wise words, but then you typed a bunch of judgmental nonsense.






Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
Posted - 2008.03.27 01:23:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz


I know this is just a game and all...


Wise words, but then you typed a bunch of judgmental nonsense.


Ya all that 'judgemental nonsense' would kinda suck if was in any way professing to be neutral on the subject.

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2008.03.27 04:04:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.


Your point is troll?, i can make more money on lvl 4s than i can mining in hulk but i still mine...does that make me a noob?


I know this is just a game and all, and the anonymity that 'teh internets' makes being a jackass extremely tempting, but there's so many options in Eve on what you can do for enjoyment and satisfaction. You may think it's not the case, but how you get your kicks in-game is a direct reflection of what you're like in real life (or at least, what you'd like to be like in real life if there weren't bigger, badder people inclined to show you the error of your ways were you to act that way in real life).

Now, some people choose to be peaceful and carebear and don't really get in anyone's way. Others choose to go live out in 0.0 and shoot at each other, where the challenge is real and any killing/greifing is generally an accepted way of life. Then there's low-sec pirates who, for the most part aren't too bad since after all, they are in low-sec, so if they gank you it's mostly your own fault.

And then there's lowlife losers who do crap like can flipping, suicide-ganking and stealing other peoples salvage knowing full well that there's not much the victim can do about it (for the record I've never been a victim of any of these activities, so sorry, no 'carebear tears' from me (I figured I wasn't being cool unless I included 'carebear tears' in my post since all the cool kids are)). Now I know, these are all well within the rules of the game. I'm not arguing against that. But at the end of the day, you know that there's another person on the other end who you're directly impacting by your lame choice of entertainment and self-gratification. Rather than putting any attempt into actually going out and challenging yourself, you'd rather take the easy route and just pick on the easy targets and then pat yourselves on the back at a job well done.

Each to his own I guess. Some people just aspire to be at the bottom of the barrel since it's so easy to achieve.


Now...i could waste a good half hour totally ridiculing your post because of the immense amount of judgmental bull**** contained in it. But i think that anyone with enough brains can read the **** that comes out of your mouth and come to the same conclusion as i did.

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
the anonymity that 'teh internets' makes being a jackass extremely tempting

To you maybe, but not to many other people.

-----
Also if you haven't got anything of value to add to this Ninja salvaging guide other than bad mouthing people you know nothing about, i kindly suggest you leave.

Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.03.27 04:10:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz


Ya all that 'judgemental nonsense' would kinda suck if was in any way professing to be neutral on the subject.


Well, I'm glad to see you're conceding the nonsense part, at least. As far as the descriptor goes, I wasn't criticizing you for having an opinion. Just a sanctimonious and absurd one.

Interesting thought: What if it were harder to discern someone's RL personality from their choice of career in an intentionally dark and cutthroat imaginary spaceship game than by how prone they are to calling other people jackasses and losers on the internet.

No, that can't be right. Confused

Oldin Kinrod
Posted - 2008.03.27 04:46:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
blah blah blah... and stealing other peoples salvage ... blah blah blah


Prove to me that they are your wrecks. Go on...


You can't - and I can prove that.

Quote:
What are wrecks?
When a ship is destroyed, whether it is a player ship or an NPC ship, it leaves a wreck. The modules and items from the cargohold that are not destroyed in the ship's explotion, can be looted. In addition to this, raw materials can be extracted from the wreck by using salvaging. The materials salvaged can be sold on the market or used to create rigs.
Note that anyone can salvage materials from wrecks, regardless of who destroyed the ship, while looting items from a wreck can get you flagged and a legal target for the owner.


But of course you're not actually going to take this on board, just like every other mission runner that whines about how "they spent the time to kill the rats blah blah blah.." Wrecks are the property of the ship owner that they came from IF ANYONE. There have been countless thread on this topic and have given countless ways to stop these "theives" from "stealing your" wrecks. Heck, even this thread tells you how they do it!

But you feel a little better about yourself by coming onto this forums and spouting that it's not fair that you cannot shoot them - MOVE TO LOW SEC THEN! But what about the ebil piwates? MOVE OUT OF MOTSU/DODIXIE/ETC!

It takes very little brain power to reaslise that the reason it's so "easy" to probe mission runners is because they all sit in one system doing missions. This GUARANTEES at least one hit on a mission runner.

And before you try saying I'm hiding behind the anonymity of the net - I'd tell you the same in person, but a lot louder. And don't try labeling me as "one of those theives", I run my own missions and salvage them too - never had a single intrusion because I stay away from the crowds.

Please excuse the harshness that probably comes out in this - but it's been a rough day and I needed to vent, but if the mission runners that whine about this would take the time and effort to realise how easy it is to combat this "problem" they might be a bit happier.

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2008.03.27 05:33:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Myshella Drake on 27/03/2008 05:34:32
@ Oldin

You always take the time to explain things so logically and calmly...Forum needs more people like you and less like me Laughing. Thank you

Oldin Kinrod
Posted - 2008.03.27 05:47:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Myshella Drake
Edited by: Myshella Drake on 27/03/2008 05:34:32
@ Oldin

You always take the time to explain things so logically and calmly...Forum needs more people like you and less like me Laughing. Thank you


That was calm?!?! I like to think of it more like a spew of rage that's been building since I started trying to explain to mission runners that they were wrong in their assumptions.

Most of these threads that are coming up now I keep an eye on to see where they are going, and will interject when I feel a need to clear up a major point that others seem to miss (for example, the above). Once people realise that the only rewards that a mission entitles you to is the rewards/bonus/LP then maybe this topic can be put to rest...


But I somehow doubt that will happen...

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2008.03.27 06:10:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Myshella Drake on 27/03/2008 06:42:40
Originally by: Oldin Kinrod
Originally by: Myshella Drake
Edited by: Myshella Drake on 27/03/2008 05:34:32
@ Oldin

You always take the time to explain things so logically and calmly...Forum needs more people like you and less like me Laughing. Thank you


That was calm?!?! I like to think of it more like a spew of rage that's been building since I started trying to explain to mission runners that they were wrong in their assumptions.



Okay calm is the wrong word here, i should say, a less nasty fashion than alot of other peopleVery Happy

-edit typos ftl


L70Rogue
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.03.27 16:10:00 - [28]
 

Found a rokh today with a Magnemetric quest probe o.O

He was doing World's Collide but he was slow so I killed the rats for him lolTwisted Evil

Salliene
Gallente
Paktu Sjet Armada
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.27 19:55:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.


Fact : When you play monopoly, if everyone agrees not to be a jackass and demand rent for landing on properties and ignore all the "bad" chance and community chest cards, the game is a lot more fun cause everyone wins and has a lot of money!

Svedge
Posted - 2008.03.29 17:00:00 - [30]
 

Thanks for the great guide, I meet my first rageboy today after I ninjaed the wrecks from his mission. :)



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