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Insa Rexion
Minmatar
Fumar Puede Matar
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:03:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Commanderess
What if CCP were to create random characters, spawn some ISK on them, and buy PLEX/GTC off the open market?

Could potentially be one of the most profitable things a company has ever done. Sell you Game Time, then buy that Game Time back with something that has no value and they can create from nothing.

Discuss.



So you are saying "what if CCP were to sell you isk ?"

Commanderess
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 - [32]
 

Lets look at it this way

1. Plex system implements a way for CCP to easily remove this game time from the system by buying it and having it sit in hangers.

2. Plex system implemented as Iceland economy begins to tank. Making it easier for CCP to make their profits.

3. Epic trolling by CCP in this thread to divert the attention away from the point it makes.

Butch Granite
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Butch Granite on 12/02/2009 21:05:05
*butch granite wonders why ccp are trying to divert attention from OP :p

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:05:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: CCP Fallout
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on? Shocked


*Notices the picture of a Volcano in a sexy nighty on Wranglers desk*

Shocked

You are a sick, sick, man Wrangler Crying or Very sad

Venus Felix
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:09:00 - [35]
 

Why go through all the trouble of creating chars and ISK when they could just create NPC market orders?
Could be a really useful way to stop RMT imho...

Insa Rexion
Minmatar
Fumar Puede Matar
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:09:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Insa Rexion on 12/02/2009 21:11:19
Originally by: Commanderess
Lets look at it this way

1. Plex system implements a way for CCP to easily remove this game time from the system by buying it and having it sit in hangers.

2. Plex system implemented as Iceland economy begins to tank. Making it easier for CCP to make their profits.

3. Epic trolling by CCP in this thread to divert the attention away from the point it makes.



point is, the OP is asking "what if CCP were to sell you isk" in a roundabout way, it's not like they would gain from this much more than they already do by allowing players to sell you isk (indirectly thru GTCs).

Both plex and isk already belong to CCP and are just pixels/code that they can create or destroy at will, so what exactly is all the fuss about ? It's not like they could take those "scammed plexs" out of the game and sell them on.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:14:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: CCP Fallout
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on? Shocked


brennivin


"Brennivín ... is an Icelandic schnapps, ... sometimes called svarti dauđi ("black death").

At times it is drunk as a "chaser" after sampling "hákarl", which consists of putrified shark meat, to mask the meat's taste."


So, I guess, the naked dancing volcano isn't the worst of it.

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2009.02.12 21:19:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Razin


"Brennivín ... is an Icelandic schnapps, ... sometimes called svarti dauđi ("black death").

At times it is drunk as a "chaser" after sampling "hákarl", which consists of putrified shark meat, to mask the meat's taste."


So, I guess, the naked dancing volcano isn't the worst of it.


I refused to try hakarl, which is better known as "pee shark." We had a mission that was to eat hakarl and drink brennivin near the bathrooms at the Fanfest. The smell was exceptionally overwhelming. Needless to say, my bathroom trips were infrequent. And quick.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:22:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: CCP Fallout
the naked dancing volcano thing? totally true, tho
You saw a naked dancing volcano? Just what were you on? Shocked


brennivin


Touche`

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2009.02.12 21:24:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Razin


"Brennivín ... is an Icelandic schnapps, ... sometimes called svarti dauđi ("black death").

At times it is drunk as a "chaser" after sampling "hákarl", which consists of putrified shark meat, to mask the meat's taste."


So, I guess, the naked dancing volcano isn't the worst of it.


I refused to try hakarl, which is better known as "pee shark." We had a mission that was to eat hakarl and drink brennivin near the bathrooms at the Fanfest. The smell was exceptionally overwhelming. Needless to say, my bathroom trips were infrequent. And quick.


Wuss.

Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
Posted - 2009.02.12 22:04:00 - [41]
 

Jeez... ok, first, they sell you the plexes and make money. Then you're asking if they buy the plexes to keep them off market...

Why? As stated, it would only increase the isk value of the plexes (i.e. limited supply vs. average demand). The only way I could foresee it being utilized is by doing one or two plexes/region in order for the so-called 'scam/tinfoil hattery' to have any kind of sustainability.

That's a lot of work for such a minor scam, tbh.

Oh, and Brennivín? Seriously? No wonder you're seeing dancing naked volcanoes. (I need to move to Iceland)

Commanderess
Posted - 2009.02.12 22:48:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Chomin H'ak


Why? As stated, it would only increase the isk value of the plexes (i.e. limited supply vs. average demand).


This would make it so more people would buy PLEX, as they would get more ISK for their dollar. And even if these plex sit on the market, that's still game time that has been bought and not used. Since what CCP is giving people for these plex is actually free for them, they don't care how much they cost.

Karrade Krise
Posted - 2009.02.12 22:50:00 - [43]
 

o.0

I would just like to congratulate the OP on getting the most "Blue" posts I've ever seen in a player thread...

Galligher
Qvanti Canicvla Ille In Fenestra
Posted - 2009.02.12 23:09:00 - [44]
 

For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:

Don't know about my PLEX scam

Flamable Content
Posted - 2009.02.12 23:19:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Galligher
For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:

Don't know about my PLEX scam


not so much lol...Craptastic photoshop job though Neutral

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2009.02.12 23:26:00 - [46]
 

Posting in a foiled_nasty_ccp_negated_the_shareholders_extra_holiday_for_this_year thread.

\o/ woohoo!

Galligher
Qvanti Canicvla Ille In Fenestra
Posted - 2009.02.12 23:36:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Flamable Content

not so much lol...Craptastic photoshop job though Neutral


That's MSPaint, thank you very much.


Tibberg
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.02.12 23:49:00 - [48]
 

Photoshop is for girls

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.02.13 00:52:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Galligher
For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:

Don't know about my PLEX scam



WIN

ceaon
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:07:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Galligher
For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:

Don't know about my PLEX scam

damn you i have to log in to see that crap pic Mad

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:11:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Galligher
For anyone who has read my Market Discussion thread. Enjoy:

Don't know about my PLEX scam

damn you i have to log in to see that crap pic Mad


the new rickroll ?

Citizen AQ670E14
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:37:00 - [52]
 

I must say, If I ran a game company that had a GTC system like eve's, I would totally pull this scam.

Just would have to make sure I was in one of those godforsaken countries, where no would come chasing after me to prosecute.

Anyone know of a small, possibly island country where people would be loathe to go due to the frigid temperatures and nasty local rotted-shark snacks?

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:39:00 - [53]
 

has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth


and what could they do with the isk they get from it

they can make isk at any time

Citizen AQ670E14
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:46:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth


and what could they do with the isk they get from it

they can make isk at any time


A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.

More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.

The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:47:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth


and what could they do with the isk they get from it

they can make isk at any time


A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.

More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.

The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.


doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?

Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:48:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth


and what could they do with the isk they get from it

they can make isk at any time


A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.

More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.

The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.


doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?


The ISK must flow

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:50:00 - [57]
 



i am a robot

how that for tinfoil

and i know where you live in... ingame Very Happy

Citizen AQ670E14
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:50:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth


and what could they do with the isk they get from it

they can make isk at any time


A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.

More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.

The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.


doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?


Possibly some players might stop playing if prices for PLEX got to high, not to mention that there could be a fairly sizable destabilizing inflationary effect from dumping ISK into the system like this. I doubt the monetary loss would be any less than that gained though.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:52:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Citizen AQ670E14
Originally by: Armoured C
has someone figured out that using in game currency that is made up means that you actually getting nothing as the customer has already payed and so they have already had there monies worth


and what could they do with the isk they get from it

they can make isk at any time


A player seeking to purchase a PLEX would find less available as CCP would be buying them up with phantom ISKs. PLEX demand will remain realtively unchanged, but PLEX supply would become lowered, increasing the value per GTC.

More players might have the incentive to purchase GTC's then for ISK making purposes, creating real actual money for CCP.

The actual number of subsriptions bought and paid for is never changed by GTC's, CCP always gets their money for each account, one way or another (you pay the monthly fee, or someone else did and sold you the GTC). In the OP theory, more GTC's can be sold for real money than accounts demand, making money, essentially, out of no where for CCP.


doesnt this also mean with the lack of plex on the market to sell because CCP has them thaqt sub will fall ?


Possibly some players might stop playing if prices for PLEX got to high, not to mention that there could be a fairly sizable destabilizing inflationary effect from dumping ISK into the system like this. I doubt the monetary loss would be any less than that gained though.


so if CCP do it or dont .. nothing really changed apart from a small influx of prince =/ c/d

Citizen AQ670E14
Posted - 2009.02.13 01:54:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
so if CCP do it or dont .. nothing really changed apart from a small influx of prince =/ c/d


Well, it does change that CCP can change something not real (ISK) into somethink real (Kronors)


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