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Seetesh
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2009.02.11 09:35:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: H Zebra
Originally by: Ferria
I love the new window, anyone who want to go back to the old one are afraid of new things, pod them



please come pod me, as i think this window was designed by a 12 year old with crayons and no idea of what eve is.
fitting ships is never gonna be such a long arsed ugly chore than what ccp's vision of it currently is.
you like it fine thats upto you, but pls ccp let us choose which one we want with a simple x box on the esc menu.


^ This guy sum'd it up pretty well

Disteeler
Perkone
Posted - 2009.02.11 09:39:00 - [152]
 

I like it, but I have a hard time reading the shield/armor/hull resistances, maybe because the windows is too much transparent.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2009.02.11 09:55:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: CCP Chronotis
the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome.


That was a given, the current was would have caused an uproar. :p

I'd like to point out that all the space inside the circle is wasted. Players don't care much about seeing their ship's appearance when they're addiing or removing modules, drones and ammos. That's quite a bit of space you could use reduce the fitting screen size.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.02.11 10:01:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome.


That was a given, the current was would have caused an uproar. :p

I'd like to point out that all the space inside the circle is wasted. Players don't care much about seeing their ship's appearance when they're addiing or removing modules, drones and ammos. That's quite a bit of space you could use reduce the fitting screen size.


I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously. Removed. Navigator

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2009.02.11 10:28:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome.


That was a given, the current was would have caused an uproar. :p

I'd like to point out that all the space inside the circle is wasted. Players don't care much about seeing their ship's appearance when they're addiing or removing modules, drones and ammos. That's quite a bit of space you could use reduce the fitting screen size.


I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously. Removed. Navigator


Some people love teh new window some hate it.. we just need teh choice and all the issues surounding it go away. its not that hard to do surley

zeb

Seetesh
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2009.02.11 10:57:00 - [156]
 

Why dont we just give them a choice of style in the UI some can have the new fitting window some can have the old one?

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2009.02.11 10:58:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 11/02/2009 10:58:40
Originally by: MotherMoon

I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously, **** you.

nobody cares about you so please shut upWink

Astraias 2
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:01:00 - [158]
 

Mothermoon seems to want it all his/her way. What he/she needs to realise is that the world is bigger than their singular opinion that he/she is trying to force onto others.

CCP have asked what we all think and they are looking for constructive feedback so don't run other peoples ideas down just because they don't support yours.

Jennifer Celeste
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:08:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 11/02/2009 10:58:40
Originally by: MotherMoon

I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously, **** you.

nobody cares about you so please shut upWink

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:20:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/02/2009 11:22:45
double post

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:22:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 11/02/2009 10:58:40
Originally by: MotherMoon

I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously, **** you.

nobody cares about you so please shut upWink


dude, so you support this "I speak of the player base" stuff going on?

I speak only for myself, and what I want to see. no more, no less.

I don't make claims of "the playerbase likes the new fitting window!"

or "you know this is a terrible idea" or "this is a good idea" no I THINK this is good I THINK this is bad.

and yes to the above, in my perfect world player feedback would not included non-CSM members speaking for me.

if you read any of my posts I believe that people have a point, there should be a choice. The window should be movable. Lots of great feed back here.

But I can't stand it when someone says "hey your playerbase thinks this, did you you know that?" drives me crazy.

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:25:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: H Zebra on 11/02/2009 11:25:57
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 11/02/2009 10:58:40
Originally by: MotherMoon

I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously, **** you.

nobody cares about you so please shut upWink


dude, so you support this "I speak of the player base" stuff going on?

I speak only for myself, and what I want to see. no more, no less.

I don't make claims of "the playerbase likes the new fitting window!"

or "you know this is a terrible idea" or "this is a good idea" no I THINK this is good I THINK this is bad.

and yes to the above, in my perfect world player feedback would not included non-CSM members speaking for me.

if you read any of my posts I believe that people have a point, there should be a choice. The window should be movable. Lots of great feed back here.

But I can't stand it when someone says "hey your playerbase thinks this, did you you know that?" drives me crazy.



enough b.i.t.c.hing please......
just give the playerbase the option to use the new and the old fitting window...... that way teh whole playerbase is happy regardless

zeb

edit stupid filter

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:28:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/02/2009 11:28:34
Originally by:
H Zebra
just give the playerbase the option to use the new and the old fitting window...... that way teh whole playerbase is happy regardless




yeah that's exactly what I suggested... Neutral

wow reading comprehension ftl. I'm not *****ing about the fitting window, nevermind.

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:41:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/02/2009 11:28:34
Originally by:
H Zebra
just give the playerbase the option to use the new and the old fitting window...... that way teh whole playerbase is happy regardless





yeah that's exactly what I suggested... Neutral

wow reading comprehension ftl. I'm not *****ing about the fitting window, nevermind.


i wasnt only refering to you.so sorry if quoting you gave that impression.

we all have our opitins and untill ccp say YES teh players will get teh choice, we are stuck with the prospect of the new window



MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:44:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: H Zebra

we all have our opitins and untill ccp say YES teh players will get teh choice, we are stuck with the prospect of the new window





to be honest, the reason a choice is the best option imo is for the same reason ambulation will work. new features are optional and not forced on the players.

In another thread I proposed the idea of giving the player the ability to submit their own UIs for the fitting window, and let players download offical ones that are approved by CCP.

so if you don't like the old or the new... make your own!

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:47:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: H Zebra

we all have our opitins and untill ccp say YES teh players will get teh choice, we are stuck with the prospect of the new window





to be honest, the reason a choice is the best option imo is for the same reason ambulation will work. new features are optional and not forced on the players.

In another thread I proposed the idea of giving the player the ability to submit their own UIs for the fitting window, and let players download offical ones that are approved by CCP.

so if you don't like the old or the new... make your own!


nice idea. im lazy as though, if there was a tick box for teh old one, thats what id have..lol

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2009.02.11 11:57:00 - [167]
 

edit title to stay with where the topic has gone. will get to choose between teh old and the new?

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2009.02.11 12:12:00 - [168]
 

1. I like how it's looking more sleek and stylish.

2. I love the new features in fitting:
Effective HP- What damage profile is that though?
Defence hp/sec is really nice also.

But

Fitting screen is HUGE. I run @ 1440x900 and it's HUGE; it's not movable; there's no x in top right to close the thing.

Cant the game detect if you have subsystem slots instead... then display them there.

How many people will actually need tech 3?

Nobody will be flying them in pvp no doubt... i suspect they wont be for mining. If mission runners such as myself are only ones flying them... I dunno man.

Last grief is how unintuitive it is. Sure you can pretty well figure it out... but it's certainly not like the old one.


Some other potential things that could be added.

"Offline all modules" I have had a couple times where that would have been useful. Rather then unfit. Obviously a reverse button also would be cool. "Online all modules"

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.02.11 12:18:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Jason Edwards


Cant the game detect if you have subsystem slots instead... then display them there.

How many people will actually need tech 3?




I'm thinking we might get to add on pieces to more ships someday.

Kerdrak
GreenSwarm
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.02.11 13:52:00 - [170]
 

Rearrange it to:
-Top circle: high slots
-Left(or right): mid slots
-Bottom: low slots
-Right(or left): rigs and subsystems

This way, the fitting panel keep the hierarchy of slots.
And add the possibility to "save setup".

Bimjo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.02.11 14:04:00 - [171]
 

I like the new fitting windowCool
sure it has issues, just fix them,like ammo over turret(which is horrible)Very Happy

acs
SniggWaffe
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2009.02.11 16:19:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Rika I
Edited by: Rika I on 10/02/2009 00:04:29
Originally by: Asestorian
This new fittings screen is a mess.
.....



QFT!
Fix it and/or give us back the old screen!

CCP's idea of progress is always backwards...


It's always "CCP this, CCP that", isn't it? Quit Eve or give constructive comments. I think the guys at CCP have accomplished more in their lives than you ever will.

Marlenus
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Posted - 2009.02.11 16:43:00 - [173]
 

Here's an idea to preserve the "shiny" of the new fitting window, while resolving the space concerns for folks who don't care to waste have their screen staring at their own ship.

The new design has those controls to make the left and right panels fly open or closed. Why not add a similar control to the huge center ring panel, so that when you click the inward-pointing control, it collapses to a tight fitting ring similar to the existing fitting window, with very little wasted space?

That way you can impress the new player influx who will genuinely enjoy seeing their ship in the middle, while those of us for whom fitting has become (usually) a chore can get on with the work while still maintaining chat windows, open inventory windows, information boxes, and the like.

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2009.02.11 16:51:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Ferria
I love the new window, anyone who want to go back to the old one are afraid of new things, pod them


I said somewhere else in this thread that most people are scared of change and progress.

luckily CCP tends to ignore these people, which is the same thing the rest of the world should do.

H Zebra
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2009.02.11 16:56:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Ferria
I love the new window, anyone who want to go back to the old one are afraid of new things, pod them


I said somewhere else in this thread that most people are scared of change and progress.

luckily CCP tends to ignore these people, which is the same thing the rest of the world should do.


I like to point out it has nothing to with change. i dont liek it as it lack functionality, i dont see why i shoudl change my window size just to be able to use the window, i also dont see why i need to close every window thats not teh fitting window just to be able to read the information and fit my ship.


Notleh
Rage of Inferno
Burning Ambition
Posted - 2009.02.11 16:59:00 - [176]
 

I know I am the minority here, but playing on a 24" at 1920X1200, this fitting screen is amazing.

There is plenty of room for everything, including having the hangar window open. Although I like the idea of drop-downs versus right clicking everything, scrolling through hundreds of items isn't practical.

I think having the option to turn it on or off will address the issues at lower res and screen size.

The minor issues I have with it have been addressed ad nauseum here.

Kuromugi
Caldari
Heretic Academy
B A N E
Posted - 2009.02.11 18:00:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Kuromugi on 11/02/2009 18:00:49
1280x1024 Representing. Laughing

I like a few of the new dropdowns. showing Effective HP and the like, i hope these are kept with the final fitting UI.

Tanhar
Gallente
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.02.11 18:09:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: rValdez5987
Originally by: Ferria
I love the new window, anyone who want to go back to the old one are afraid of new things, pod them


I said somewhere else in this thread that most people are scared of change and progress.

luckily CCP tends to ignore these people, which is the same thing the rest of the world should do.


You have a false idea, that change==progress.
It may be - or it may be not.

Ma'kal
The Imperial Commonwealth
E.Y
Posted - 2009.02.11 18:21:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Pattern Clarc
The transparency makes it hard to read information, especially in stations.

The remove/info button trails are annoying.

The entire left side is autocollapsed by default with only one open at any given time.

You can't drag it around or minimize it at all.

There's no cargo and drone capacity readouts.

No drone bandwidth readout.

No obvious readout for what the different slots are.

The colored resistance bars make the text hard to read.

Free floating text, info and arrow icons at the top and sides.

You can rotate camera by click-dragging on some parts of the UI, not others; behaviour changes depending which panel is open.

There is no close button, and it obscures the neocom at lower resolutions.


I also don't like there is no spot (that I noticed) to see how big of a drone bay a ship has. But, other than that I agree with all what this member says.

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2009.02.11 18:33:00 - [180]
 

Such aversity to change here... The new fitting screen nearly gave me an orgasm when I first viewed it. It is good, but it's suffering from beta-disease which I'm sure will be worked out. Stop crying havoc when you've got no base to stand on.


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