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CCP Fallout

Posted - 2009.02.09 12:20:00 - [1]
 

CCP Whisper has published a new dev blog outlining the upcoming status change of our Linux client: chiefly, we will no longer support the client. Please be sure to read the blog to find out all the details, as well as how you can still play EVE on Linux.

Please note: we are not ending support of the Mac client.

Ranged Airman
White Talon Enterprises
New Bastion
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:24:00 - [2]
 

Thanks for the update, while it is unfortunate for those using linux, it does make sense. So what about the new exploration blog to cancel out the bad news?? :)

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:28:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ranged Airman
Who cares, where is the real devblog?



At least you pretended to have sympathy.

Maria Kalista
Amarr
Knights of Kador
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:32:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Please note: we are not ending support of the Mac client, yet .


Fixed that for you Laughing

But on a more serious note: sorry to see this happen. Although I can understand why, I cannot understand why at fanfest there was this faulty hope being raised for the people using Linux.
By then CCP should had known that the chances of an supported EVE Linux client where, slim at the most.



jam6549
Via Crucis Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:36:00 - [5]
 

oh well!

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:39:00 - [6]
 

Good run on trying out new software support I hope you guys got plenty of oppertunities to learn and maybe in the future when linux is more popular you can rapidly redevelop the assest nessecary from what you learned here.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:46:00 - [7]
 

Not much of a surprise, really. Kudos to CCP for at least giving it a go but Linux will continue to be largely niche. Those that like to tweak and maximise performance will continue to benefit from it. Those that just want to 'do stuff' with their computer will stick with Windows.

To my mind gaming fits more into the Windows 'I'm a dumb user, just do it' attitude to computing. I think Linux would do better to try and avoid competing too much. Stick to the subset where it's really good. If it competes too much it risks becoming as bloated and 'Jack of all trades' as Windows is.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:51:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: CCP Whisper
Killing joy is just one of the many services I provide. I also burst egos, temper enthusiasm, cause motivation to whither, take candy from babies and mess up books on library shelves, all to a mashup soundtrack that combines Morrisey and My Chemical Romance. Children's parties by request. Ask about our special retirement party rates!



CCP Whipser, you are so cruel...

The forums are just about bursting with anticipation and drama about news of T3 ships, skill points losses, Sleepers and so on, and we finally get the long awaited blog, but it is about...Linux. Laughing


Akor Flandres
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:51:00 - [9]
 

Good move.

Anneke Goulet
CUTLASS CORPORATION
Posted - 2009.02.09 12:51:00 - [10]
 

Sad to see linux directly cut down, then again, if ever have looked at the linux part of forums, you'll see majority of it's users are advertising wine for running Eve.

Hope CCP keeps this in mind and instead making their linux devs to feed birds and clean stairs at office, uses them to ensure there still is reason for linux users to subscribe.


x psy
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:01:00 - [11]
 

LoL Is it just me or it seems you didnt have the technology behind cedega to leave the classic client for the premium? :P

armas
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:02:00 - [12]
 

Never doubted your and Transgamings incompetence for one second. Look how long you were silent towards your Linux community, shameful. And of course you don't see many Linux users as none of us are stupid enough to use your ridiculous official client when we have wine.

Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
... and maybe in the future when linux is more popular ...

CCP are not saying it was due to a lack of Linux players. Just that the Linux players weren't using the "official" client.


Fujiko MaXjolt
Caldari
ACME HARDWARE
Fade 2 Black
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:07:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: armas
Never doubted your and Transgamings incompetence for one second. Look how long you were silent towards your Linux community, shameful. And of course you don't see many Linux users as none of us are stupid enough to use your ridiculous official client when we have wine.



Here, have some cheese with your w(h)ine Very Happy

Sar Ferredj
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:15:00 - [15]
 

Well . . . instead of loosing time and money on a classic linux client (wise invest when almost all linux players do use wine to get the premium client) can we expect you to setup a linux+wine box to test your client and prevent breaking anything ?

Atleast, if we're not worth it for an official client, are there some good 'samaritains' to check linux users won't be screwed at next update/expansion before releasing ? ? ?

james126
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:17:00 - [16]
 

no shader 1 support, no linix support, what is going to be cut next? and why cant you put them all in one devblog?

silken mouth
Gallente
Core Genes Applied Technologies
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:25:00 - [17]
 

The small number of people using the cedega client is not related to the fact that there are not many eve players have linux but more to the fact that the cedega client sucks!

i for one hope that your experiences with eve and linux become handy when you switch from DirectX to openGL..

citral23
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:34:00 - [18]
 

Here's what I replied to the mail I received :

Very sad news. I already dropped the "official" linux client in favor of wine + windows premium version which runs fine.

Your official client sucked so bad, I can understand you stop distributing it. But it looks more like "well,the open source community is already working for us better than we do, why should we spend money on it when whe can have slaves for free" than what you say (concentring on only one version blablabla)

The fact is that at the very beginning, you should have developped this game in opengl, there is nothing it can't do.

I hope for you that the new version will run with wine, cause if not, be prepared to face a lot of people (much more than you can imagine) people quitting the game.

Congrats, you officially belong for me to the already impressive list of bloody moneymaking-only corps.

Have a nice day anyway.

Akor Flandres
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:37:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: armas
Never doubted your and Transgamings incompetence for one second. Look how long you were silent towards your Linux community, shameful. And of course you don't see many Linux users as none of us are stupid enough to use your ridiculous official client when we have wine.


Well maybe if you and more of your self righteous linux brethren had used the linux client and helped them to make it better this wouldn't be happening, you pathetic troll.

EliteSlave
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:44:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Akor Flandres
Originally by: armas
Never doubted your and Transgamings incompetence for one second. Look how long you were silent towards your Linux community, shameful. And of course you don't see many Linux users as none of us are stupid enough to use your ridiculous official client when we have wine.


Well maybe if you and more of your self righteous linux brethren had used the linux client and helped them to make it better this wouldn't be happening, you pathetic troll.


maybe if the linux client could actually view the premium graphs... till then ill use wine..

x psy
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:46:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: x psy on 09/02/2009 13:48:13
Originally by: Akor Flandres
Originally by: armas
Never doubted your and Transgamings incompetence for one second. Look how long you were silent towards your Linux community, shameful. And of course you don't see many Linux users as none of us are stupid enough to use your ridiculous official client when we have wine.


Well maybe if you and more of your self righteous linux brethren had used the linux client and helped them to make it better this wouldn't be happening, you pathetic troll.


That would make sense,if they were actually working on it... :P They were just wrapping the classic client with existing cedega technology (and even that was forked from wine).

And more, why anyone that has the option to play the premium content use the official classic one?

For me they just proved that they werent working on a official premium client for linux (they were just waiting for cedega, wow so much testing...) and why they never responded to when the premium content would be delivered.

So basically, you are the troll.

Triana
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:50:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Triana on 09/02/2009 13:52:55
If people boycott the official linux client and prefer to run under wine why moan about CCP cutting support for official linux client? this is so typical, (putting on flame suit as i speak) point of the matter is linux is not a gaming os as never been and will probably never will (just look at the number of api for sound as an example and now think real hard about why companies prefer to develop for an os where there is not that nonsense of having 500 peoples unable to put their efforts in common to standardize ....... )

Anyway, sad day for the few people than were running official linux client, but on the other hands we can now direct them to the trolls that were advising them to run under wine ......


Luke S
Zeta Corp.
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:56:00 - [23]
 

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gfldex
Posted - 2009.02.09 13:59:00 - [24]
 

Translation of the devblog:

Cedega sucks, go use wine.

Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
Posted - 2009.02.09 14:04:00 - [25]
 

Question to CCP Navigator:

Why did you lock This thread ??? It is a day OLDER than this Dev Blog and is in the relevant forum section.

Leuko Uratne
Royal Norwegian Navy
Posted - 2009.02.09 14:05:00 - [26]
 

An understandable move, as the official linux client wasn't very good anyway. I would appreciate if you could spend just a little time testing patches on wine though, just to make sure the game is at least somewhat playable on wine after patches.

Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
Posted - 2009.02.09 14:07:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Fujiko MaXjolt
Originally by: armas
Never doubted your and Transgamings incompetence for one second. Look how long you were silent towards your Linux community, shameful. And of course you don't see many Linux users as none of us are stupid enough to use your ridiculous official client when we have wine.



Here, have some cheese with your w(h)ine Very Happy


actualy he's right. this blog is the first official linux information since last summer. we were promised a linux related dev blog for ages and it seems this is the one that was promised.

I just hope they won't close the Linux forum section. That's the only working Linux support CCP ever had.

Pivalak
Haiku Enterprises
Posted - 2009.02.09 14:08:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Triana
If people boycott the official linux client and prefer to run under wine why moan about CCP cutting support for official linux client?


Your comment makes me think you, same as many others making similar statements, have never played using the "official" Linux client.

Let me put it straight: the official client has been plagued with bugs and graphical glitches since the beginning (thought it had lately improved), it didn't supported Premium graphics even when they were announced to be available on Q1 2008, and the devs refused to answer any question about Linux on the forums for the past 7 months (until this announcement). Is it then a surprise that people were playing EVE on Linux using other alternative methods that gave better results and support from third parties?

I used the official client during this time hoping it will get better with time, and that finally the so called support will be there one day. But let's face it: it wasn't "people" who did the boycott on the official Linux client... CCP and Transgaming did, unfortunately.

Luke S
Zeta Corp.
Posted - 2009.02.09 14:12:00 - [29]
 

Now, if you guys used the OFFICIAL client, you would not have this problem.

Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.02.09 14:13:00 - [30]
 

I would have thought the most logical way to go about this from the start would be to work (or encourage said work) on porting EVE to WINE, instead of making a third engine. Were there some sort of crazy problems that seemed to pop up when EVE is run through WINE? (Normally I'd just test this, but I'm at work right now and would be spanked for attempting to install a game in our sand box).

Hugh Ruka... maybe they closed the thread in a hope that it would nip any educated complaints about this in the bud. Especially educated, well backed complaints. That could make someone look bad!! Shocked


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