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Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.08.04 08:10:00 - [1]
 

I'm just about to purchase a couple of 80GB SATA drives (linky) and I'm wondering what would be the best way to set them up?

Should I put my Windows XP page file on the slave drive? Should I use RAID? What the hell is RAID?

I basically want to have one drive for installations and one drive for storage.

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.08.04 08:16:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I'm just about to purchase a couple of 80GB SATA drives (linky) and I'm wondering what would be the best way to set them up?

Should I put my Windows XP page file on the slave drive? Should I use RAID? What the hell is RAID?

I basically want to have one drive for installations and one drive for storage.


With 2 drives you don't want to do RAID really. Theres only 2 options with 2 drives, Striped or Mirrored. With a Striped setup, if one drive fails all your data, 160GB worth, goes *poof*. With a Mirrored setup, you only have 80GB total, since one drive is an exact duplicate of the other.

If it was my system, I'd probably just use one drive or a small partition of that drive (10GB or so) for a Windows install, then remaining portion (70GB or so) for program and game installs, and i'd use the second 80gb drive for data/fraps/movies/mp3's/etc.

Moving the page file could be a good thing I guess, specially for Eve Very Happy

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.08.04 08:21:00 - [3]
 

Blah, not sure I could stomach reinstalling Windows XP Pro again and then reinstalling all my programmes.

Took 12hrs the last time Neutral

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.08.04 08:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Blah, not sure I could stomach reinstalling Windows XP Pro again and then reinstalling all my programmes.

Took 12hrs the last time Neutral


Well, just ignore everything I just said then Very Happy

If you already have windows installed etc on a separate drive, you could do a few things with 2 new drives. In that case, I would probably just have them running as two separate 80GB drives and use them for various things. I woulnd't suggest you reinstall!

For example, in my current home machine I have 2 250GB Maxtor drives that I use for movies/tv shows/mp3's/etc. None of this stuff needs to be backed up cause I just dont care if I lose it. I also keep a copy of all my photos and my website on these drives. In fact, with the actual website, and a copy of the website on each of these drives I've got my most important data backed up twice (and in use in one location).

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.08.04 08:42:00 - [5]
 

Hey, are the SATA cables meant to be this small?

I'm used to the IDE ones.

Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.04 08:46:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
I'm just about to purchase a couple of 80GB SATA drives (linky) and I'm wondering what would be the best way to set them up?

Should I put my Windows XP page file on the slave drive? Should I use RAID? What the hell is RAID?

I basically want to have one drive for installations and one drive for storage.


Redundant Array of Independant Disks, if I recall correctly. Very Happy

Mostly used for mirroring information so that in the event of one disk dying, your data is still there. There's all sorts of crazy ways you can set up RAID arrays, and frankly, I'm of the opinion that they're not worth the hassle or expense in a personal computer. But I'm old fashioned and have a fast CD-RW for backing up stuff. Wink I should probably get a fast DVD-RW for backing up stuff, stuff's getting huge lately.

Anyhoo, on to dual hard-driving. Keep the OS/installs on the master disk, use the slave disk for storage. Station an array of fine Amarrian ships to ward off any Minmatar terrorists who will try to free your slave drive. I'd say keep the page file on the master as well. TBH, I haven't kept up with hard drive technology over the past few years, but back in the day, one would experience small slowdowns when simultaneously accessing two disks that were on the same IDE cable.

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.08.04 08:56:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Hey, are the SATA cables meant to be this small?

I'm used to the IDE ones.


Yes, they are teh win Very Happy

Down with IDE!

meowcat
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.08.04 09:06:00 - [8]
 

depends if you want dual boot config or not

i have dual boot on 2 disks - one messy, buggy install for downloading ****e and another clean virus-free install for gaming

unfortunately windows doesnt handle proper dual boot (with 2 completely separate master boot records) so you will need a third-party tool (eg: bootmagic). this uses a small FAT partition to store the 2 MBRs and allows you to have 2 completely separate installs

if you just want one O/S, just add the new drive in as a slave filestore, and continue using the old one for the O/S functions and pagefiles

Teutobod
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.08.04 09:23:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: mahhy
With 2 drives you don't want to do RAID really. !


Eh, wtf?

RAID 0 = Striping.

You need two identical drives for best performance. It's the best entry levle cost/performance but it has no built in protection from data failure. If 1 drive fails the sytsem dies, so ou better make backups if you want to backup if you got data you wanna keep safe.

It's easy enough to setup just make sure your mobo has a raid controller.

And SATA cabels are supposed to be small :D

Jarjar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2004.08.04 09:30:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Jarjar on 04/08/2004 09:32:09
Originally by: Teutobod
Originally by: mahhy
With 2 drives you don't want to do RAID really. !


Eh, wtf?

RAID 0 = Striping.

You need two identical drives for best performance. It's the best entry levle cost/performance but it has no built in protection from data failure. If 1 drive fails the sytsem dies, so ou better make backups if you want to backup if you got data you wanna keep safe.

It's easy enough to setup just make sure your mobo has a raid controller.

And SATA cabels are supposed to be small :D

That's pretty much what he said, so why the "eh, wtf?" part? Confused

I wouldn't use RAID myself after hearing all these horror (Wink) stories about people losing all their data in their arrays.

Edit: RAID 0 that is... Wouldn't use RAID 1 either though, feels like a waste of good space when you can take backups of the important data instead.

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.08.04 09:34:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Teutobod
Originally by: mahhy
With 2 drives you don't want to do RAID really. !


Eh, wtf?

RAID 0 = Striping.



Read what I said again Wink I said you dont want to use raid with only 2 drives. What I was trying to express is that with 2 drives, RAID does one of two things:

- provides no protection against full stripe failure (RAID 0)
- halves your overall possible storage using mirroring. (RAID 1)

Neither is a great option. IMO its better to just use 'em as separate drives. That way you get overall 160GB of storage, and if one drive fails it doesn't wipe out the entire 160GB.

If you disagree and think that using RAID 0 or RAID 1 is a good idea, feel free to do so, makes no difference to me Very Happy

Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.08.04 10:29:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Luc Boye on 04/08/2004 10:31:51
Don't do RAID mate. What I discovered is that on a PC that is turned on 99% of time, a regular IDE drive lasts for 3-4 years (unless you have IBM Deathstar which can go fubar anytime). If you make raid-0, meaning you use both disks as one big drive, the fault tolerance decreases to some statistical value of both drives combined. So you end up with bigger drive that can go bad in 1-2 years or something.

Just use 1 drive for windows + programs (since programs can't survive for themselves unless you make backup of the registry as well) and the other drive for data (read ****).

I don't think that SATA drives are of any better quality then ATA drives. I know some SCSI drives were made to last longer, even when on all the time.

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2004.08.04 10:29:00 - [13]
 

Hmm... what advantages does the SATA give you which makes 2x80GB a better choice than a 300GB IDE disk?

meowcat
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.08.04 10:36:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Riddari
Hmm... what advantages does the SATA give you which makes 2x80GB a better choice than a 300GB IDE disk?


none whatsoever as far as i can tell (doubtless someone more technically skilled than me can preovide a reason)

the best i can come up with is techy-overclocker-geeky kudos and skinny little wires

it's for people who have to have the absolute bestest thing available, even if the next best thing is cheaper, and probably just as good in 99% of all intended purposes

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.08.04 10:39:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Riddari
Hmm... what advantages does the SATA give you which makes 2x80GB a better choice than a 300GB IDE disk?


Nothing really. SATA should be a bit faster than PATA (IDE) but that all depends on the drives and the mobo/controllers. Western Digital Raptor series SATA drives for example are freakishly fast.

Otherwise, the tiny little SATA cabling helps improve airflow through your case. And maybe 2x80 is cheaper than a 300GB disk (i would assume so anyhow).

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.08.04 11:13:00 - [16]
 

Striping does not seem to add very much to performance on home machines mainly used for gaming or other 'low HDD intensive' use.

Essentially, the performance boost is prety neglible, or at least thats what a test I found in the know issues and stuff forum told me.

Teutobod
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.08.04 11:21:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Rod Blaine
Striping does not seem to add very much to performance on home machines mainly used for gaming or other 'low HDD intensive' use.

Essentially, the performance boost is prety neglible, or at least thats what a test I found in the know issues and stuff forum told me.


The performance boost when using 10,000 RPM Raptors from WD in a RAID 0 is quite impressive according to a friend of mine, why I think about it myself.

Normal 7200 RPM might be less in terms of gain.

Mad Mackem
The Scope
Posted - 2004.08.04 18:27:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Teutobod
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Striping does not seem to add very much to performance on home machines mainly used for gaming or other 'low HDD intensive' use.

Essentially, the performance boost is prety neglible, or at least thats what a test I found in the know issues and stuff forum told me.


The performance boost when using 10,000 RPM Raptors from WD in a RAID 0 is quite impressive according to a friend of mine, why I think about it myself.

Normal 7200 RPM might be less in terms of gain.


The Raptors own alright, never wait for loading times again, coupled with 1Gb of fast memory equals no lag even in major battles.

Regards

olyyy
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.08.05 02:06:00 - [19]
 

raid 0 is nice.
Well maybe some more "professionnal" version of raid would be better, but with 2 disks anyway you can only do raid 0 or 1.
And yes, raid 0 = better perfomances while raid 1 = safety of data.

Nomeshta
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2004.08.05 08:26:00 - [20]
 

I have a question:

Is it possible to have an IDE hard drive an a SATA hard drive connected at the same time?

I want to be able to copy from an IDE to a SATA - any other advice you can give me?

P.S: This is my 2nd account. My main account got banz0red.

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.08.05 08:32:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Nomeshta
Is it possible to have an IDE hard drive an a SATA hard drive connected at the same time?

I want to be able to copy from an IDE to a SATA - any other advice you can give me?


Yup, it sure is. I've got an SATA drive in my system along with 4 IDE disks as well... works fine. Powersupply might be getting close to its limits now tho Very Happy

Nomeshta
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2004.08.07 14:27:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Nomeshta on 07/08/2004 14:28:29
*lol*

Unwrapped the hard drives today and it looks like I accidentally ordered 2 ATA IDE hard drives instead of SATA...Embarassed

Guess I'll get them returned and order 2 of those Raptors


 

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